Former diplomat: Iran plot makes no sense
CNN
12-Oct-2011 (34 comments)

A former U.S. diplomat who negotiated with Iran calls the alleged plot a "distraction" and "subterfuge."

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Soosan Khanoom

Good point Bavafa

by Soosan Khanoom on

well said .... 


Bavafa

SK: I wouldn’t worry about that….

by Bavafa on

Such statements are merely a reflection about our own inability to do something about our own problems.

  There is little difference in soliciting a foreign nation to forcefully remove a regime and hiring a drug cartel to assassinate another foreign official.  It’s all a matter of criminal for hire.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


G. Rahmanian

Insulting!

by G. Rahmanian on

As usual you are lying, Bavafa! It wasn't you who avoided me. It was the other way around. Here is a case where you are desperate to get into another "debate" with me. But as I said, you can't help it. Old habbits are hard to break. It is obvious you go nuts when I write something about NIAC and you can't come up with a rebuttal. Now, you tell me, Bavafa, where/who did you have in mind when you wrote: "Isn’t that great? It should make the job easier should there ever be a lynching mob and need a list of 'usual suspect.'" You did address your comment to me, didn't you? Do you consider that insulting or not? Do you find associating anyone with lynching mobs name-calling or not? If you don't, then you have difficulty understanding the implications of what you yourself write! And for the phrase, "going berserk," I was only returning the favor!


Soosan Khanoom

Fanoos

by Soosan Khanoom on

Whether we like it or not there are still many Iranians under the VF's magic spells and THEY ARE THE IRANIAN PEOPLE rather than just the closed circle of the regime itself. Thy are the supporters that Saddam, Shah, Mubark , and the rest of the gangs did not have ...  

But, don't worry,  no need for any foreign invasion.  With the speed that IRI is digging its own grave, soon the table will turn on them and we shall see more IRI supporters joining the opposition ...

Stop the bomb bomb campaign ... it does not look good on you resume ... lol  

 


fanoos

Here is your response but just this time only!

by fanoos on

Obama should get on live addressing to the nation of Iran and here is the text of the speech:

My dear fellow Iranian nation:

I and the rest of the people of America feel your pain. We want to help you to break out of this long imprisonment in the dungeon of IRR.

I am going to direct the standing US military forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, and "Persian" Gulf to come to your rescue!

As long as you the people of Iran and your normal military stand aside and do not take arms we will guarantee your safety.

As for the IRR regime and its supporting thugs, we will pursue you, we will round you up, we will apprehend you, and we will bring justice to you or the other way around!

If you try to be cute or funny, we will do to you what we did to Sad'dam's forces on the highway of death in 1990, remember Iraqi solider Jesghaleh kababs!?

 

Ghorboon'e Shoma,

Barack Hussein Obama

The only Black President of US of A.

 

Are you happy now, VKP?


Bavafa

G. Rahmanian: Speaking of asking politely?

by Bavafa on

if and when there is ambiguity in a piece of writing that may bother you so much that you see fit to call the writer names,”

Due to ambiguity So I am asking… care to show where I have called you names here?

Speaking of asking politely

What is your definition of asking politely?  Calling one “going berserk” is a polite exchange?

The lack of credibility, politeness in conversation or logic sampled in this exchange is one of the reason as why I avoid any discussion with you?

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

You still have

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

not responed to me. How do you convince Americans to spend their money and use their soliders to free our nation. A few missiles won't do it so what do you propose? Maybe they will get the Saudi to pay for it.


Anonymous Observer

Nicely done fanoos

by Anonymous Observer on

Good definition. But just be patient. They're in overdrive these days trying to "maast mali" IR's latest blunder.


fanoos

Definition of regime apologists.

by fanoos on

Individuals who receive free Soltani chello kababs with two extra gojeh, extra panir & sabzi, and extra tahdeeg from IRR!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Fanoos

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Who are these "regime apologists"? Would you please tell me. I was reading CNN and a lot of Americans post there. They do not want to spend money on another war. Are they regime apologists?

I would love Iran to be rid of the Mollahs. But do I get to ask Americans to spend their money doing it. What is bothering is unfounded accusations. By people who make assumptions. How do you know what someone's reason for their position is? I hear "paid IRI" agents. Are  CNN and Huffington Post bloggers paid IRI agents? Come on it is possible for people to have different views.

Why don't you post on CNN and tell them "shame on you for not spending your tax dollars and risking your soldiers to free my nation". Will you please do that.


fanoos

Regime apologists inside and outside IC are....

by fanoos on

Regime apologists inside and outside IC are trying hard to avert a heavy and long overdue punishment on the IRR by US. Shame on you for helping to extend the life of the criminal IRR regime!


bahmani

Plot makes complete sense to me

by bahmani on

Since Iran wins if it worked, AND Iran wins if it failed, I see it as an Iranian plot. That's because unlike most, I assume Iran to be super smart. Smarter than the US or Israel.

If it worked, the US people would have blamed the Mexican drug cartel, and thought this to be a direct message of defiance by the now brazen cartel that has been poking in the US in Arizona killing Americans and DEA agents for years now.

This would have caused a national uproar, an attack minutes from the White House under Obama's very nose. This would have easily escalated into Obama losing public opinion and in 2012, and while the "new republican administration" takes over and cleans house for 2 years replacing all the Obama appointees, Iran does what it wants all over the world. If the new admin does what it says it will do and dismantles Obamacare, that gives Iran 3 years to play without supervision.

If the plot failed, Iran denies it and as we have seen gains the World's favor as now everyone is blaming the US or Israel as behind the plot.

Why attack Saudi Arabia? Easy, in retaliation for the Saudi Army undermining Iran's attempted overthrow of the Bahraini government. AND SA is Iran's biggest opponent in the region.

By leaking the successful plot to the Saudis later, Iran would have been able to send a clear "Back Off" message, that historically the usually docile Saudis heed.

To go here though, you need to put aside the obvious image of Ahmadinejad and assume Iran is super smart. Most tend to think Iran is as dumb and as stupid as Ahmadinejad.

Weeks ago at a conference in Tehran, a senior Iranian stated that Iran MUST export it's revolution militarily to survive and thrive in this world.

The clues are certainly there and it seems pretty clear to me.

To read more bahmani posts visit: http://brucebahmani.blogspot.com/


G. Rahmanian

Going Berserk:

by G. Rahmanian on

Since I see Iran and its future above the mundane loyalty to this group or that group or any individual, it makes it very easy for me not to go berserk. Also, if and when there is ambiguity in a piece of writing that may bother you so much that you see fit to call the writer names, just go ahead and ask the writer of the comment, politely, what he/she meant. I can give you examples of your difficulty understanding things, but I'd rather not continue this talk. I just say one more thing. Do not take everything you read for its face value. Try to relax, once in a while.


G. Rahmanian

Oil Business?

by G. Rahmanian on

Any links to the Rockefeller Foundation? Any donations to anyone? I'm trying to be discreet here. I give an example of how things work n some cases. Two young students come to town after receiving scholarships. They have zero ability in the language spoken. They can't even get around town easily. But in a matter of six months, they are able to export US $1.5 million worth of goods to Iran through a third country. You may say, they relied on interpreters and other stuff. But their language ability and them getting around town are not my points.


Bavafa

G. Rahmanian: it takes two to tango…

by Bavafa on

As you suggest that it is just me to miss-read, leave some room for the possibility that you may have a share in this by your way of writing.  Unless of course you think you are perfect and of not capable of ambiguous writing.

I am always willing to see and accept my share of in any miscommunication and by that my apologies if I took a different meaning by your statements.

It also does not help when such comments are far too often used against those who merely see things differently.  If in doubt, read your own comment once or twice again, only put an objective hat on this time.

Now when it comes to going berserk, I certainly have something else in mind for going berserk then my earlier comment and unfortunately I see it more often than I wish or hope for on IC.  I believe I would not be too far off if I had suggested your own response here is a better candidate for going berserk.

Think about that and good day to you!

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

P.S. For the sake of clarity, I still have no idea who you were referring to and I don’t think it matters as I was not just defending myself but all those with a varying view.


G. Rahmanian

The Usual Suspects:

by G. Rahmanian on

As usual, you misread who I was referring to and what I was saying! The usual cheerleader on the site has already been told he shouldn't be spamming, but old habits seem hard to break!!! You see, Bavafa, I'm not mistaken when I say you guys have turned NIAC into a cult. It maybe too late for you to learn to ask about what one says before going berserk. But trust me it won't hurt to try, at least once in a while, to understand the meaning of the things others say! Good luck!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: Leveretts

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Here ist the CNN link to Leveretts and others. I totally mistrust Leveretts and always did. Not sure what they are up to but it is no good. Why do they so actively support the Mullahs? http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/12/us/analysis-iran-sau...

This story is fishy but Leveretts are more fishy. The smell of the whole thing is too much. Is there anyone who is telling remotely the truth? The only good thing is more readers are skeptical of all of the involved parties. 


Fred

The business of oil

by Fred on

"I obtained several emails sent by the Leveretts and pertaining to their business, one of which is a November 2007 message inviting Trita Parsi to one of their “background dinners.”

These dinners, which the Leveretts present as a kind of salon, help to generate business for an energy and consulting firm called Stratega, whose CEO happens to be Hillary Mann Leverett. The guests that night included representatives from Norway’s Statoil company, including Ali Ghezelbash, an owner of Atieh Bahar, which is an Iranian consulting firm that in the past facilitated business with Iranian industries, especially in the energy sector, controlled at one time by Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. In 2006, Statoil was fined $21 million for a 2002 bribe securing “development of a critical Iranian petroleum project.” .”

In Leveretts’ response to my article, they also claimed to have been quite offended when I suggested while interviewing them that their prospective trip to Iran “was facilitated via Muhammad Marandi on behalf of the IRGC,” or the Revolutionary Guards Corps. They charge that this information was made up, either by my sources or by me. "

http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/26398/grand-bargainers/


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Mehrdad

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Let it be known, we want democracy so those who think just like us they can have a loud voice, others they can just go to hell.

That is the problem with the "democracy" types in Tehrangeles. I got a good idea of what they mean by democracy after they shouted Parsi down. No I do not mean Parsi is "good" but I do mean he should have got his say. Democracy means you listen not just shout. But to some it is just shouting. It is so bad where even 90% agreement is not good enough. You either agree 100% or you get chased out of town. If this is democracy we might as well give it up. 

 


Faramarz

بمب گذاران تخمی و تنبانی!

Faramarz


 


So the latest excuse by the Leveretts and the like-minded people to get the Regime off the hook are:

1. The plot is so clumsy that it cannot have been hatched by a professional terrorist organization like the Koods (Ghods) Force. Haven’t they heard of al-Qaeda plots by the “Shoe Bomber”, the “Underwear Bomber” the Pakistani guy who couldn’t get the gas tank to explode, the guy who wanted to use a blow torch and cut the cables on the Brooklyn Bridge!

2. She knows the doctrine of the Regime and this plot doesn’t fit that. If she can prove that she has met Khamenei or the heads of Sepah, then I will concede that she knows their doctrine. Having tea and crumpets with Khatami or Rafsanjani does not constitute a strategy session.

3. A “rogue” element of Kood Force is behind the plot. Really? What if a “rogue” element of the US Navy Seals drops a bomb on Khamanei’s head? Would an apology close the case?

Desperate words by desperate people to defend the indefensible.

War is bad, but surrender is worse.


Bavafa

G. Rahmanian: “After all, other usual suspects were there”

by Bavafa on

Isn’t that great? It should make the job easier should there ever be a lynching mob and need a list of “usual suspect”!

  

After all, how dare they don’t just conform to others way of thinking.

  Let it be known, we want democracy so those who think just like us they can have a loud voice, others they can just go to hell.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Bavafa

Yet we ought not to dismiss this all together….

by Bavafa on

One possibility is that some factions within IRI (however small) that have plotted this possibly with a desire to pick a fight with US.  The amateurish way of going about it would also possibly support such theory.  But then again, these are all theories.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

AMT & Others

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

We may write anaysis from now and forever. No one will really know the truth. I agree with the Brithish Ambassador. But the fact that something does not benefit Khamenei did not stop him in the past. 

There are two issues:

  • Does this in any way benefit Khamenei. I say no: AQ is already hated by USA. They do not need more reason to hate them. There are softer Saudi targets outside USA. A rational person would not do this.
  • Is Khamenei rational. I have no idea but in the past dictators get irrational. The older they get the worse.  I would not put anything stupid past the guy. But I don't know him and his state of mental health.

Plenty of people with motives. Very little evidence. Reminds me of some detective storey like that movie "clue" other than with real lives.

 


G. Rahmanian

And I Missed This Couple

by G. Rahmanian on

And I Missed This Couple in NIAC'S article. After all, other usual suspects were there.


AMT

Iran had a lot to gain from the assassination plot

by AMT on

The common assumption has been that Iran was not going to gain much by the assassination attempt on the Saudi ambassador, and few including the former British Ambassador to Iran have even suggested that the whole matter might be a scam to put pressure on Iran.

However, if one would assume that Iranians had no intention to be identified as the culprits, then the benefits to them could have been significant. They intended to create another 9/11 like event, which with most likelihood would have been blamed on Al Qaeda, an arch enemy of Saudi Arabia as well as Iran.

One should not forget that along with the Saudi ambassador, scores of other people would have also perished, most of whom would have been Americans, and few of which could have been distinguished members of the government or the congress. This would have created another 9/11 like event, however this time
during a democratic administration, which might have reacted very differently from the Bush administration.

Iranians would have immediately and strongly condemned the attacks, and might have even offered an olive branch to the US government, similar to what they did after 9/11.  In this scenario, the Saudi royal would have been a
collateral damage, not the main target.

It is likely that a 9/11 like event, especially if blamed on Al Qaeda, could
have created a pretext for bringing opposing political factions in Middle East together, and possibly get Iran out of its choking isolation. It would have also provided Iran with an opportunity to initiate direct talks with the United States.

Of course, similar to many other evil mismanaged and ill-planned activities by
the notorious Iranian government, the whole affair has blown up in their face and as a result they are certainly in a much worse situation than they would have been otherwise.


Soosan Khanoom

By the way dear Amir

by Soosan Khanoom on

This is FOX news that keeps prediciting attacks on the U.S soil keeping Americans in the war mood all the time ...

IRI, on the other hand , predicts U.S attacks on the Iranian soil all the time and by doing so, it equally keeps Iranian people in the war mood  ...

 

 

 

 


Soosan Khanoom

Amir

by Soosan Khanoom on

Mullas in Iran are equal to neocons and Israelis right-wingers ..... and they feed upon war and each equally create situation to yield one rather than prevent one ...

now this is my opponion and you are entitled to yours ...

screw politics

 


AMIR1973

Foreplay?

by AMIR1973 on

These attempts are just foreplay ....  to get the American's public mind in the mood beofre perhaps a big event 

Soosan, we've been hearing the IRI's West-residing Amen Corner predicting an attack by the U.S. against the IRI since at least 2002. Every few months a new prediction comes along. But, if a "big event" happens, such as a major attack on a U.S. city, I just want to say ahead of time that the IRI is totally innocent and not capable of such a thing and that it is an "inside job" and/or false flag operation by the CIA-Mossad-MI6....


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

We're becoming like robots, they give us a paycheck

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

we follow orders, accept what they tell us as fact.

US soldiers can't not obey orders, court marshals are no joke. How did these corrupt warmongers ever get the audacity to educate Iranians that the shah was a dictator, that he ran a repressive regime and was corrupt. Goebels would have been so in love and proud too.


Soosan Khanoom

Amir

by Soosan Khanoom on

These attempts are just foreplay ....  to get the American's public mind in the mood beofre perhaps a big event ... 

Something that we saw with World trade center ... 

Having said that as I said it before this is what IRI deserves to get after playing with the Lion's tail ...  these mullas in Iran are really asking for it ...