Egypt PM apologises for violence
bbc
03-Feb-2011 (15 comments)

Egypt's prime minister has apologised for the fighting between pro- and anti-government demonstrators in Cairo's Tahrir Square, which killed five people and wounded several hundred. Ahmed Shafiq pledged to investigate the violence, calling it a "fatal error". The protesters are demanding that President Hosni Mubarak, who has ruled for 30 years, step down immediately. After further pre-dawn violence, the army has been using its vehicles to separate the feuding factions.

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Darius Kadivar

Mubarak is a Man of Honor and Courage !

by Darius Kadivar on

Mubarak denounced the incidents and violence in the Square yesterday. Said he will never Leave the country and will defend his legacy even if it means dying in Egypt

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-123617...

 

 


Darius Kadivar

Esfand Aashena Jaan Nah Azizam Heifeh ...

by Darius Kadivar on

Let them talk, accuse and slam me all they want ...

I guess they can't conceive that someone can think for himself ...

Maybe that is what troubling them after all  ... 


Danny Kaye Show - The Thinker

LOL 

 


Esfand Aashena

Darius jaan may your ill wishers be sacrificed for you!

by Esfand Aashena on

May all your ills and problems fall smack down on the middle of your ill wishers' heads!

I think the world is watching Egypt and this appears to be different from what we've seen in other countries and similar uprisings.  For one thing there is wall to wall coverage.  Arab countries as well as Iran can learn a lot from it.  I wish them success and we'll see how they'll write their stories!

PS I'm going to address you Darius jaan from now on ;-) 

PPS labeyk with El Baradaei!

Everything is sacred


Darius Kadivar

Esfand Aashena Jaan Que Sera Sera ... Ta Gabre Ah, Ah, Ah, Ah

by Darius Kadivar on


Doris Day - Que Sera Sera

Only time will say ... who controls who ...  

Cheh Begoum ... Ta Gabre Ah, Ah, Ah, Ah ...

Kakoo Mah Keh Nafahmeedeem Aghebat chee shod ... 

Daie Jan Napelon

 


MM

riders on horses, camels & carriages w/ Mubarak's pictures

by MM on

Exclusive dramatic video: Riders on horses, camels charge into crowd in Egypt (00:53-00:58)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k0_9Y1XaC8

Also, see CNN report: CNN's Ivan Watson said the horseback riders came from the pro-Mubarak ....

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/02/egypt-crisis-prepping-for-another-day-of-protests/


Esfand Aashena

DK jaan I disgaree. It's the regime that controls the events.

by Esfand Aashena on

It's always what the regime in power does that dictates what the crowd will do in response and thus the unfolding events.  During Shah he fought and then he left and in response people fought back and when he left they felt embolded and Army fell and then we know the rest.

In 2009 regime fought hard, killed and maimed and people could not fight back as much and did not have the unity to withstand the onslaught and the foreign media were deported and the regime didn't even care what the world thought so they were able to crush the uprising.

In Egypt the regime has not fought as hard as Iran and is giving the crowds some space to demonstrate.  Knock yourself out!  so to speak.  Regime's strategy is to just wait them out, nothing to lose. 

Everything is sacred


Simorgh5555

Darius

by Simorgh5555 on

The Camel incident strangely reminds me of the way the Cinema Rex incident was orchestrated to put all the blame on the shah's regime and thus avoid the possibility of any peaceful negotiation between the deemed secular opposiiton and the government

HAH! The exact outrageous LIE was made by your beloved Satrapi in her graphic novel ...gulp...'Persepolis 1' which you shamelessly promote. 

If you gave a s.... then stop praising and  promoting the Marxist cow whose family brought misery on millions of Iranians. 

Then again when it comes to choosing between cheesy pop culture or standing up for your political principles you chose the former every time.  


Darius Kadivar

The bottom line is this

by Darius Kadivar on

At this stage It is not the Regime or the Crowd which are Controlling the Events ... It is the Events which are controlling the Crowd and the Regime ...

And Egypt's Future is in the balance ...

POINT OF NO RETURN: Russian Revolution's Bloody Sunday and Iran's Black Friday

In moments likes these I believe in Individual Intelligence Less in Collective Wisdom  

 


hamsade ghadimi

don't get mad dk jaaan, i

by hamsade ghadimi on

don't get mad dk jaaan, i was just joking.  i don't know how my joke showed hypocrisy!  actually one of those thugs running (or should i say galloping) through the protesters may actually have been mubarak himself!  see for yourself: http://www.cartoonaday.com/images/cartoons/2011/01/mubarak-camel-political-cartoon-598x409.jpg

 


Darius Kadivar

hamsade ghadimi Stop being a Downright Hypocrite

by Darius Kadivar on

Can You Read or Should I highlight my comments ? ...

 


hamsade ghadimi

shotor didi nadidi

by hamsade ghadimi on

esfand, it was a horse race that got out of hand.  and the camels? they were imposters (big problem in horse racing these days).  or maybe dk thinks that mobarak is royalty and he's defending him out of habit.


Esfand Aashena

DK jaan I didn't mean you claim it was right. What evidence?!

by Esfand Aashena on

What evidence do you need?  Did you expect them to carry Mubarak's posters or their Government IDs?  In fact some had his posters.

The evidence is who "dares" to ride camels and horses through protestors and not expect to get caught?  Even in hollywood the get away car is found!  So whoever did this expected to be able to ride their camels and horses to safety with impunity.  Read immunity.  Now who would have immunity in current Egypt?

Please note that 3 people were killed and 800+ injured.  No one "personally" would dare to do something individually or as a group with cameras on.  They'll have to do it under protection from law.

Since you don't have any evidence that they were NOT regime's agents, do you expect the Egyptian government to come and say yes in fact they were our agents and we're sorry?  

Everything is sacred


Darius Kadivar

Esfand Aashena Jaan Go ahead Show me your Evidence 13 X 7 is 28

by Darius Kadivar on

Where did you see me claim it was Right ? ..

What did you see ? a Bunch of thugs on Horseback and Camels attacking other thugs with Cocktail Molotovs and daggers ... What does that say about who they are ? ...

What evidence do you have that they were Policemen with direct orders from Mobarak to break in and beat up everyone as Al Jazeera whose Journalists are banned from Egypt claim so ...

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/182724/sitrep/20110202-egypt-reporters-shown-pro-mubarak-marchers-police-ids

 

So go ahead Go ahead Show me your Evidence 13 X 7 is 28 

 

Abbott And Costello 13 X 7 is 28 

 


Esfand Aashena

Come on DK jaan secret police suddenly can't find the camels??!

by Esfand Aashena on

Couple of camels and dozens of horses are ridden through the Tahrir square stomp on people and then escape after trampling and injuring people and no one can account for the camels and horses?!

This is nothing like Cinema Rex.  For one thing there is no video evidence of the crimes in Cinema Rex but plenty of video from camels and horses!

The PM's apology is to address foreign journalists being beaten up which by the way was also caught on tape.  This uprising is different than any that we have witnessed in Iran, either 1979 or 2009 in that there are wall to wall foreign journalists and the most famous ones with the most resources.

One reporter who lost her eye in the Bangladesh uprisings said to CBS News that this level of audacity can not be done without Mubarak Government's knowledge. 

You may be able to hide people but you can't hide camels and horses!  Come on!  What's wrong is wrong. 

Everything is sacred


Darius Kadivar

Where's the Evidence the Thugs on Horseback were Pro Mobarak ?

by Darius Kadivar on

I have doubts on whether those thugs on Horseback and Camels were Pro Mobarak as the Press claimed ? What evidence do they have in such a chaotic atmosphere ? None of the foreign correspondents who were reporting the incidents spoke Arabic all the more that Al Jazeera Journalists have been banned Visas to Egypt because the regime suspects them of biaised reporting. I was even surprised by John Simpson's claims that they were paid policemen disguised in civilian clothes. He offered doubts but not evidence. I even saw the BBC interviewing so called Pro Mobarak followers and guess what ? One of the women brandishing Mobarak's photo had a Nigab ...

So Either this was a personal initiative by Pro or Anti Mobarak groups or a provocation that can be triggered by anybody when tension is high. If the Anti Mobarak demonstrators were so pacific in the first place then where did all the Cocktail Molotovs, swords and daggers Appear all of a sudden ? ...


The Camel incident strangely reminds me of the way the Cinema Rex incident was orchestrated to put all the blame on the shah's regime and thus avoid the possibility of any peaceful negotiation between the deemed secular opposiiton and the government. All the more that the Army had declared it's neutrality. From reports I read here and there the so called Peaceful Anti Mobarak demonstrators were the first to those stones at the Pro Mobarak who had gathered on the square. The Fact of the matter remains that NO ONE KNOWS ...

Even the photos and images that I have watched to date do not show that the Camel riders or the thugs on horseback were brandishing Hosni Mobarak's portrait. Yet all the headlines claim it was the Pro Mobarak who charged on the peaceful anti Mobarak crowd. Where is the evidence ? ...


You can be sure Al JAzeera just like the BBC in IRan during the 79 revolution will be exploiting this with cliché titles "Pharaoh Mobarak's Men" attack "Peaceful Demonstators" ...

The least I can say as an outside obsevervor is that to me No One who was on that Plaza appeared to me as being there with peaceful intentions regardless of which camp they belonged to.

There is a striking contrast between the way the Tunisians handled their protests including their slogans and these people. They were hanging effigies of Mobarak and calling him a blood thirsty tyrant where as in Tunisia at worst they were saying in French "Ben Ali Dégage" aka "Ben Ali get out of here"

The Islamic slogans are anything but peaceful. They were provocative from day One.

My Humble Opinion,
D