Palestinian leader blasts Ahmadinejad over Mideast peace comments
CNN
04-Sep-2010 (78 comments)

The administration of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas lashed out at Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Saturday, a day after Ahmadinejad criticized Abbas for renewing direct peace talks with Israel.

"He who does not represent the Iranian people, who forged elections and who suppresses the Iranian people and stole the authority, is not entitled to talk about Palestine, or the President of Palestine," said Nabil Abu Rudeineh, a spokesman for the Palestinian Authority, according to Wafa, the Palestinian Authority's news agency.

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Agha_Irani

What a Brain Washing

by Agha_Irani on

these islamists must have had to spew such garbage and without any shame for their flagrant disregard of the truth.

I think in the long run this can only be a good thing because it shows the depths they are prepared to stoop to; readers with even a small amount of intelligence can make up their own minds about the validity of the "truths" the islamists try to propagate.

They are sealing their own fate/coffins - so carry on corporal and no fear - you both remind me of Comical Ali back in 2003.  

 


No Fear

Fair,

by No Fear on

I am laughing at your attempt at being reasonable. I think you should stop it right here. LOL


Sargord Pirouz

Fair, you're not aware of

by Sargord Pirouz on

Fair, you're not aware of the current state of PA political affairs- are you. But I'm not inclined to educate you, as you'll only respond with resentment. 

So I asked you about your background. What's your story? Let's see how forthcoming you are... 


Fair

I repeat your quote:

by Fair on

Mahmoud Abbas has been " appointed " most of his political life. He was
Arafat deputy and later was appointed by Arafat to represent.

You are claiming Mahmoud Abbas is an appointee, not an elected representative and president of his people.  And that is wrong.

O'really?   LOL

Yes, really.  You might find it funny that Iranian girls are raped in prison, and that thousands of Iranian youth are rounded up and imprisoned without trial, and greater than 100 have been murdered by your dictator's thugs, either in the streets, or by execution. I don't. 

 

 


Sargord Pirouz

Fair, I'm not an exile. I've

by Sargord Pirouz on

Fair, I'm not an exile. I've updated my citizenship and have no broken ties are ill feeling toward Iran. But, to be precise, I'm not a current resident. Still, I wouldn't rule it out, in the future.

Deserter? Well, Fair, I don't think you're quite familiar with the term. It doesn't apply to me. Here, I'm going to end my disclosures on military background, family combat history record, etc.

I'll just repeat for you: I missed Vietnam, Jange Tahmili and Desert Storm by age or location. Although at the time I didn't see it this way, for a while now I've recognized and truly appreciated my fortunate circumstances.

War is the worst. 

What about you, Fair? 


No Fear

Huh? Fair ?

by No Fear on

First of all you have to find something wrong to correct it. What was wrong in my statement?

Secondly, you wrote;

"By contrast, the murderer in your avatar commited fraud, established a military dictatorship, and raped, tortured, imprisoned without trial, and executed thousands of innocent Iranians."

O'really?   LOL


Fair

Correction to No Fear

by Fair on

Mahmoud Abbas has been " appointed " most of his political life. He was
Arafat deputy and later was appointed by Arafat to represent.

Mahmoud Abbas was elected to be president of the Palestinian Authority on January 9, 2005 and won with 62% in the West Bank AND Gaza.  There was no prescreening of candidates, no religious body necessary to certify the candidate or the elections' religious and ideological credentials, and no suppression of dissenting voices to his victory. In fact, there was no challenge to his victory because it was not deemed fraudulent by anybody. The official election results with all details are publicly and transparently available at the Palestinian Central Elections Commission website:

//www.elections.ps/template.aspx?id=55

By contrast, the murderer in your avatar commited fraud, established a military dictatorship, and raped, tortured, imprisoned without trial, and executed thousands of innocent Iranians. There was absolutely no transparency, no public disclosure of all the vote counts district by district, no independently verified counting of the votes, nothing.  Just a declaration by the absolute ruler that the results are "divine", followed by open warfare waged on Iranian civilians by the absolute ruler.

So no, AN is nobody to talk about Palestinian rights or challenge the legitimacy of Mahmoud Abbas (or even Pol Pot for that matter).  And no, the occupying government of Iran should by no means whatsoever be allowed to participate in any peace talks and should have no say whatsoever in the future of the Palestinian people, because it is none of their damned business, and it has absolutely no relevance to the national interests of Iran.  Especially after the brutal suppression of the Iranian people by the IRGC military junta.

Please do some research before making such claims. Otherwise you are misleading people.

 


Fair

On the contrary

by Fair on

It is very relevant.  You keep calling Iranians here exiles, and claim you yourself are Iranian and not an exile.  Yet you have not performed military service in Iran, and are therefore a deserter, unlike all those uncles and cousins of yours who served their country.  This clearly exposes your hypocrisy.  If you are decent and fair, you will apologize to those Iranians you called exile in a ridiculing way, and show respect for them from now on.  I know this is too much to expect from someone like you.

And of course it also raises the question, "if the US and Iran end up at war, will you take up arms against the US in defense of Iran?"  This question is very relevant for someone like you who equates lack of support for the Islamic republic to being anti Iran. 

Like I said, you owe much more respect to Iranians on this forum, whose patriotism you have no place to undermine.  Just like AN has no place talking about Palestinian rights as Mahmoud Abbas said.


No Fear

You said it , Sargord.

by No Fear on

ME peace process without Iran is meaningless. As the most important country in the ME, our strategical borders are far beyond our legal borders. " Palestinians rights " is the first line of defence against an expansionist regime like the Zionists who has continuously threatened to attack us.

If war breaks out between Iran and Israel, this war must be fought at Israel's borders, not on our land.

 


Sargord Pirouz

Well, TheX, I am critical of

by Sargord Pirouz on

Well, TheX, I am critical of US ME foreign policy, you're right about that.

And where you cry BS, is where you merely disagree with me. Nothing else.

But I haven't lied. And I've been forthcoming, nearly as much as JJ who has in the past provided something of an open biography.

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, I personally believe Iran, Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah should be included in the Arab-Israeli peace process. Not doing so only shows the insincerity of the so-called current effort. That's what President Ahmadinejad was drawing attention to, and hence the overreaction by that puppet Abu Mazen.


Roozbeh_Gilani

Another "eftezah" defeat for Khameni/AN comedy of "diplomacy"

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

Sunni Palistinians are more than happy to take money from islamist regime of Iran, but they do not even consider Shiite Iranians as muslims, let alone friends!

As for Hamas, this terrorist gang was created by Mossad in 1980s to create division in PLO. Now that Israel has got the PLO remnants in negotiation room, this hamas gang has expired it's purpose. It's leadership will either be blown up to bits whilst hiding in damescus or Tehran, or will run away to Toronto, LA or London , the last hiding places for islamist terrorists!


thexmaster

Sargord Pirouz, Behind the Lies

by thexmaster on

Nice BS story.  Let's assume it's true.  You have a proud family history of US military service which has fought and died against tyranny.  Yet here you are supporting a government that started hostilities against the US, was involved in the Marine Barrack bombings in Lebanon, and has been funding terrorist activities and repressing its population with torture and death for 31 years, all from the safety of your computer in a free and democratic country.  On top of it, you lie and distort by criticizing the US to make the IRI appear less evil.  I call absolute BS, or just simply you're a deranged individual.  

 


No Fear

thexmaster,

by No Fear on

I purposely mentoned Hezbollah here. I was hoping you understand the strategical importance of Hamas and Hezbollah as Iran's allies if we persume Israel is a threat to Iran's security.

( Israel threatened Iran with surgical strikes before Ahmadinejad made that "wipping off the map" remark, during Khatami's presidency )

Nevertheless, I am highly skeptical about the results of these polls. Mahmoud Abbas doesn't have any progress ( nothing tangible) for all the promises he made. This guy is a puppet and he is only brought on the media to show the world he is shaking hands with Israel's prime minister and US president while palestinians still get shafted by the zionists by losing more lands due to settlements. Its a TV show, and they back up Mahmoud Abbas pupolarity with polls such as yours.  How could his popularity rise when his political life is going down a shithole?

@ Fair,

Mahmoud Abbas has been " appointed " most of his political life. He was Arafat deputy and later was appointed by Arafat to represent.


thexmaster

Pirouz the cherrypicker

by thexmaster on

Of course you would think the WPO is accurate, since you bring up their Iran poll when ever you're forced back into your corner, Afterall, their phone call methodology from outside the country is more accurate than face to face inteviews .

The methodology is complete:

//www.awrad.org/etemplate.php?id=218&x=4

//www.awrad.org/pdfs/June%20press%20release_e...

 

The arab poll doesn't poll the palestinians, so it's irrelevant to the discussion here.  Stop trying divert, distort and lie.   Show me the polls which contradict this one. Here's the other poll I posted showing similar results:

//www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/fatah_clearly...

 

Another one:

//www.pcpo.ps/polls.htm

(53.0 %) have confidence in Fateh leadership, (15.0 %) in Hamas leadership.

 

Speaking of anecdotal, I have a good yet eccentric Palestinian friend who loved Hamas and praised them after 06 elections.  Now, he just curses them and blames alot of the infighting on them.


Sargord Pirouz

I hadn't seen your question,

by Sargord Pirouz on

I hadn't seen your question, Fair. It's a personal question that has nothing to do with this thread. But I tend to be forthcoming on things like this. (I believe Amir has already seen this detail from another forum.)

Let me just remind me you that I'm Iranian by means of paternal lineage, and enjoy full citizenship.

But on the non-Iranian, maternal side, I come from a US military family. We have fought in nearly every US war since at least as far back as WWI. My great great uncle was wounded by gas attack in the First World War. My great uncle was killed in action during the Battle of Bitche in WWII. Another great uncle served as a sailor and was wounded in action in the Pacific serving aboard a USN warship. My favorite uncle served in Korea. My favorite cousin enlisted at 17 in the USMC and fought in Vietnam, dying of wounds sustained from battle during the Battle of Tet. My nephew recently served in the USMC, instructed in military intelligence. There are three Purple Hearts in the family.

By age and location, I missed both Jange Tahmili and Desert Storm. As such, and considering all the relatives I've lost to war, I consider myself especially fortunate. And I honor the sacrifices. That said, I am strictly antiwar. 


Fair

Mahmoud Abbas vs AN

by Fair on

For those who say Mahmoud Abbas is not credible, etc., you should first look how he came to power.  He was elected fair and square by Palestinians, there was no guardian council or mullah or anybody to screen him for running in the first place, he did not use massive police and thug forces to rape, imprison, torture, and execute thousands of Palestinians among millions who came out peacefully in the streets to merely question the vote count results.  He did not openly declare war on his people and say that anyone who continues to question him should expect any retribution.

which is more than I can say about the criminal AN, the military dictator of Iran, and one of the top stateless terrorist menacing Iran and the whole region today.

Go do your research and get the record straight before posting these things.  geeez.


Sargord Pirouz

Yeah, again Amir, I'm not

by Sargord Pirouz on

Yeah, again Amir, I'm not inclined to educate you on matters such as the faxed offer to Switzerland of a grand bargain or the cooperation over Afghanistan during the opening phase of OEF. You only resent such lessons.

BTW: good luck with those intimidation issues of yours. Don't worry so much. Not every American loathes naturalized citizens from Iran like yourself. (It only seems that way for you, sometimes.) You are a citizen, right?


Fair

The desperate terrorist in search of a state

by Fair on

when he cannot answer, he starts calling Iranians "exiles", etc. He keeps talking about Iran, while supporting the most brutal oppressor of Iranian people in centuries, the military dicatorship of Khamenei.

In the meantime, he conveniently avoids the question of serving Iran- "Did you serve in the Iranian military during the war with Iraq and fight to defend Iran"?

If your answer is no, you are worse than an "exile".  You are a "deserter". Of course the reality is quite clear, you are neither.  You are simply not an Iranian, do not understand Iranian society, are fully disconnected from the soul of Iran, and are sitting in the USA advocating military dictatorship and no human rights whatsoever for the people of Iran.


maziar 58

sarg

by maziar 58 on

just to let you know the TRUE FACES of palestinians as once Mr.Bill clinton mentioned in camp david for not wanting to talk to aarafat because he says something to us in English and exactly the opposit in Arabic to his peoples.

them felestinis been recieving $$$$$$$$$$$ from Iran thats why they like them (albeit their involvment siding with Iraqi arabs during that war).

and they talk against America for supporting Israel.  Maziar


AMIR1973

"Sargord",

by AMIR1973 on

I advocate rapprochement between the US and Iran, and I think it's in America's interest for such to come about. I also advocate peace and understanding between the two countries. And my American friends and acquaintances know this.

With a regime that in its pro-terrorist "Qods" celebrations just two days ago burns American flags, hands out "Marg bar Amrika" signs to participants, and chants "Death to America" (like its been doing for all its existence)? This is "peace and understanding" as understood by Islamist terrorists? Oh yeah, they're after "peace and understanding", alright.

But that's to be expected, I guess, from a foreign exile from a perceived hostile country. 

Huh? Besides providing "color commentary" on the IRI's pathetic "military", you are also a mind reader. How cute. I'm a U.S. citizen, and there is no perception of hostility on my part. Besides the other West-residing IRI Groupies, who buys your gibberish? Who?


Sargord Pirouz

The X. An incomplete

by Sargord Pirouz on

The X. An incomplete methodoloy is offered for that poll, as is an informative description of the polling agency.

For comparisons, see the WPO and Brookings Arab public opinion poll.

What's more, in certain ways, the poll results you bring up are in contradiction to polls collected by other agencies such as these. 

Anecdotally speaking, the ordinary Palestinians I've come across the past five years speak highly of Iran. And I've never come across an Abu Mazen supporter on the internet or in real life. Have you? 


Sargord Pirouz

Amir, I don't hide from my

by Sargord Pirouz on

Amir, I don't hide from my opinions. I advocate rapprochement between the US and Iran, and I think it's in America's interest for such to come about. I also advocate peace and understanding between the two countries. And my American friends and acquaintances know this.

You're the second person here on IC that has brought up "American neighbors." It's as if you're intimidated by your community. But that's to be expected, I guess, from a foreign exile from a perceived hostile country. Yes, and it shows in your bad attitude.

I see you've been prompted into a more pleasant, upbeat commentary. But I have to tell you, it comes out forced and artificial.


thexmaster

First of all, we are not discussing Hezbollah or Lebanese

by thexmaster on

politics, but I understand your need to broaden the subject matter because your current arguments are weak and don't have a leg to stand on. And trust me, I know more about Palestinian history than you seem to want to admit. I know about the history of the PLO, hamas, the intifadas, peace summits, taba talks..the whole shabang. 

I have read about Hamas, their intentions, and their actions.  They are far from pragmatic.  Launching random rockets and shooting jews in cars is not pragmatism, and has not helped Palestinians one bit.  They are a reactionary group, and they have been pushing an Islamist agenda in Gaza to restrict Palestinians with certain freedoms.  But as much as dislike Hamas, I think they should been given a chance after the 2006 elections.  Maybe if they were allowed to have a voice in the peace process, things would have been different.  But we have what we have.  Hamas is highly unpopular, in the west bank and GAZA:

 

Fateh (In Gaza)         53% Positive     43% Negative

Hamas (In Gaza)       30% Positive      65% Negative 

I really wish you took the time to actually click these links and read the polls before posting.   But I suppose this is just high school grade research to you.  And just because Hamas won a majority of seats in 2006 doesn't mean they are still popular.  Alot has changed in since 2006 if you haven't noticed.

You know, I honestly think Iranians truly despise Palestinians and Lebanese out of jealousy.  It's because they get to hold free and fair elections, while Iranians are being repressed by this evil totalitarian regime while talking about freedom and referendum.

By the way, why is israel your "arch" enemy?  Has Israel attacked Iran, or anyone in your family?  On the contrary, Israel helped destroy the osirak plant in Iraq and sold weapons to Iran during the war.   Whats the strategic value of Israel? How has the recent the lebanon war and gaza war helped Iranians?  


Sargord Pirouz

Yeah, I responded.  About

by Sargord Pirouz on

Yeah, I responded. 

About being white. I just got up and looked in the mirror. I see no white- only olive. 


AMIR1973

"Sargord"

by AMIR1973 on

Happy Labor Day! I'm in a good mood: I spent a nice Sunday with my family in the Land of the Free, away from Islamist lowlifes and their online Amen Corner. I'm sorry if my exposing of your fellow West-residing IRI Groupie "No Fear" as a liar (not the first or last time, to be sure) put you off--too bad for you. Now, enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend and please be sure to tell your American neighbors that you are a Groupie of an anti-American terrorist regime. Cheers  :-)


Anonymous Observer

Sargord - I tell you the same thing that I said on the other

by Anonymous Observer on

blog in response to this same gibberish:

 Looks like you're in one of those completely miserable moods. You know the type- condemned to exile in a semi-accepting country, in a foreign land with a foreign culture, likely throughout the end of your days.

Here it is:

 We visit Iran on regular basis, and have the best of both worlds.  And we are 100% Iranian.  We are not some half bred American misfit who has been rejected by his birthplace and his homeland only to find comfort in the bosom of a terrorist regime that kills and rapes its own citizens on the street.


Now tell us Tahgord, what is the trigger that turns a white American like you into a terrorist supporting jihadist? 


Sargord Pirouz

Amir, it doesn't appear you

by Sargord Pirouz on

Amir, it doesn't appear you are familiar with Lebanon's structure of government. But I'm not inclined to spend the time to educate you, since you'll only resent it.

Looks like you're in one of those completely miserable moods. You know the type- condemned to exile in a semi-accepting country, in a foreign land with a foreign culture, likely throughout the end of your days.  


AMIR1973

Worthless Arab terrorists & West-residing liars who love them

by AMIR1973 on

A brief demonstration of how a West-residing IRI Groupie operates:

Both are democratically elected and have formed government based on majority votes.

In the case of Hezbollah, this is a flat-out lie: it has not "formed a government based on majority votes". The President of Lebanon is Michel Suleiman, and the Prime Minister is Saad Hariri. Neither belong to Hezbollah. In fact, Hariri led the electoral bloc that beat the Hezbollah-led coalition.

As you can see, this is well below the standards of "an american high school newbie".

The least you could do for yourself is to form your own opinion after doing your own research.

Okay, I've formed my own opinion: when an Islamist speaks, an Islamist lies. Cheers. 


No Fear

Hamas is Iran's ally.

by No Fear on

Hamas and Hezbollah are Iran's allies who are strategically located near our arch enemy. Both organization enjoy tremendous support in their respected areas of influences. Both are democratically elected and have formed government based on majority votes. Hamas is actually a very pragmatic organization. Go read and find out more about them before sounding like an american high school newbie. The least you could do for yourself is to form your own opinion after doing your own research.

I wonder how would the outcome of your polls be if it was exclusively taken in Gaza strip or southern Lebanon.

 


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تشکیلات خودگردان فلسطینی از سخنان محمود احمدی نژاد، رئیس جمهور ایران در باره روند صلح خاورمیانه به شدت انتقاد کرده و گفته است "فردی که نماینده مردم ایران نیست، نمی تواند در باره فلسطین و رئیس جمهور آن سخن بگوید."

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