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Amir

Thank you for your post. Regardless of what our political position we must accept reality. That is the IRR mass murdered a large number of Marxists. It was wrong; it was murder and I condemn it. 

Even the MKO supporters and members do not deserve summary execution. Those who are accused of a crime require:

• a legitimat set of charges brought.
• a non kangaroo court meaning REAL trial.
• If found guilty I still do not support the death penalty. 

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To IRI cyber groupie named IMF re: IRI's executions

I know you lack basic literacy or historical knowledge, so here you go IRI cyber groupie:

"Considering MKO working directly with Saddam at the time in the war fronts agaist Iran" (actually, IRI cyber groupie: MKO, whose garbage Islamist philosophy I oppose, moved to Iraq in 1986, after most of these initial killings had already taken place in the early 1980s). 

IRI cyber groupie: there are numerous sources giving very specific details about the mass executions of political prisoners in 1988. Many of the bodies were buried in Khavaran cemetery. Ayatollah Montazeri, the man who had been designated to succeed Khomeini as rahbar, wrote about the killings in his memoir. In fact, it was one of the reasons for the falling out between Montazeri and Khomeini. Anyone, who knows anything about Iranian history knows these things. But then again, IRI cyber groupies who are illiterate and have Israel on the brain all the time, don't. I suppose I can see why followers of Iran's president can also invite former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke to Tehran to deny the Nazi holocaust. Okay, IRI cyber groupie, keep enjoying life in Sheytan-e Bozorg or Sheytan-e Koochik or wherever it is you live.

Ah, I was wondering where

Ah, I was wondering where you were, really, I was! You seem to follow me thinking always that I I am passing candies!!! well some get what they deserve!

No one believes or gives a rat's behind about your phony crocodile
tears for the Palestinians.  Neither you nor the IRI give a S##t about
the Palestinians. 

First of all, who are you to speak for others? That is called "arrogance" just in case you did not know!

Second,I don't give a hoot of what you think. You have a tendency to talk alot but say very little here. All i will allow you to do is dispute available facts.

Fourth, the subject here is allegation against Israel in killing Iranian scientists!

Fifth, ever since when spelling has anything to do with discussing seriuos matters? If you and Amir are so into spell checks, may be I should direct you two to apropriate ESL sites where you can be far more useful than ranting from both ends of your mouths on on-going basis here!

Finally, as for arms sales, there is nothing to hide and it is public knowledge that Iran was obtaining arms from Black market and Israel. Knowing that at the time, as part of the hostages release ordeal, Iran had forced the US to supply Iran some weapons and parts that the Shah had already paid for. The US, worrying about public opinion, used Israelis for such exchange covertly. A good number of advanced Hawk missiles were included in the deal. However, Israelis cheated Iranians and swapped the newer version of misslies with their own old models and passed them to Iran. Also, the black market for US weapons and parts were run by Israelis. Israelis are well Known to screw the US government by selling the free technologies and weapons they get from the US for free, paid by US tax payer, to anyone to make a buck and also for their own geopolitical gains (this practice continues today).

Aso, one must note that at the time, the prevalant US policy was called "dual containment", that is to help Iran and Iraq to continue the war so long as it did not spread to other countries. Under this policy, israel was quitely encouraged to supply armes to Iran through black market. Wether Iranians knew they were dealing with Israel directly or not is the unanswered question, but at the end of the day it did not matter since their need for parts were great since the very West  was also supplying amssive anounts of weapons to Iraqis to keep the war going.

But I am doubful of Jane Hunter's information.  You cannot miss but doubt her report since she mentions Israelis were supplying Cheiftain tank parts. This is questionable since Israel never had such tanks in its inventory. Israeli tank inventory included British Centurion tanks but not Cheftain.

The following sums up the confusing situation at the time:

In 1983, then-Defense Minister Ariel Sharon blurted out duringa
US speaking engagement that Israel sold arms to Iran
because it
regarded Iraq as the greater enemy, and that the sales had
been
thoroughly discussed with US officials. US officials
acknowledged
such discussions but denied that Israel had US
permission."

Last spring what turned out to be an Israeli
disinformation campaign
propounded the notion that the US had asked Israel to sell
arms
to Iran. The tapes in the Bar-Am case are said to suggest
that the
US was considering shifting its support to Iran while the
conspiracy-sting
was being hatched.

Now, you can be rest assured that there was no love lost between Iran and Israel then. Otherwise, you would have never seen Israel defeated by a small militia called Hezbollah who were armed and trained by Iran.

;-))

What was he doing in Dubai?

For the record:  I believe in global peace and I always advocate a fair and an all-inclusive consultative approach to achieve it.  Based on that principle, I am against covert targeted assassinations.  I’m also against intentional targeting of civilians by any military force or any terrorist/freedom-fighting militia.

Having said that – I wonder what this gentleman was doing in Dubai?  As a “Hamas militant” surely he wasn’t vacationing in a “luxury hotel” while his own people were suffering so much.  It is unlikely that he went to Dubai to enjoy the sun, the sand, and the surf!  

Chances are that he was there to conduct business.

Now, if he wanted to conduct business with his South Lebanese, Egyptian, or Syrian colleagues, surely they could’ve met elsewhere more secure.  The close proximity of Dubai to Iran may suggest that he was there to conduct business with his colleagues from the Islamic Republic.  

Of course, I don’t want to speculate about this particular case, and the poor guy might have gone to Dubai just to see a Persian music concert!  Instead, let me just ask a generic question:

Given that the Islamic Republic takes pride in providing Hamas & Hezbollah material and moral (just a figure of speech) support; is it plausible that the alleged collaborators would meet in “luxury hotels” in Dubai to conduct business?  If not, where else do the parties meet to make arrangements for the transfer of the Iranian wealth?

Perhaps this specific news-blog is not as unrelated to Iran & Iranians as some of you have already suggested.

Anvar

Amir the Iranian, LOL

Ervand
Abrahamian's book "Tortured Confessions", between 1981-1985 the IRI
killed over 12,000 members of the Mojahedin 

Considering MKO
working directly with Saddam at the time in the war fronts agaist Iran,
frankly they deserved even worse. You don't get any Iranian's sympathy
for any MKOs death. They were not Iranians, they were the enemy of Iranians, much like Iraqis,
that not only killed many Iranian soldiers at the fronts but also helped
saddam Hussein in using chemical weapons against Iranians.  I shed no tear
for any Iranian  that betrays his country. I am sure you see
otherwise, you probably have gone their ways too, NO?

In 1988,
there was a series of mass executions of political prisoners in Iran's
jails: conservative estimates are around 5,000 (some estimates are much
higher than this).

So, I asked for proof and I get
estimates!!! So much for reliable PROOF!

So, the "thousands" are
not as claimed! If any body relies on "proof" like you produce,the
Iranian population should have been halved from the Sha's time!

IRI
cyber groupies
hate the West and praise IRI, but they choose to live in the West? Why
is that?

From a vatani IRI groupie to a vatan foriush cyber
groupie, the answer to you question could be many. One of which can be
because somebody has to keep slapping those who spread lies about Iran
thinking because they can or because IRI has mauled them at some point
in time in their past!!!! You see, that reason alone is worth being
here. ;-))

IRI's Weapon Purchases From Israel

IRI cyber groupie named IMF

You asked for proof that IRI has killed tens of thousands of Iranians, and I provided it. What useful thing could anyone possibly learn from an illiterate, akhoond-e shepeshoo-inclined IRI cyber groupie? The proper way to deploy a suicide belt or the best way to beat protestors? 

Amir

If you had spend half as much time addressing the real points as oppose to checking my spelling, you would have had already your less than adequate intelligence already by learning a thing or two.

Now.........keep following my spelling!!!!  ;-))

IMF: are you completely bi-savad?

While cutting-and-pasting you left off the next part where I said: "which is why I do NOT support Israel or Zionism. But guess what: I don't support Hamas, Islamism or the lousy IRI (aka WORST GOVERNMENT IN IRAN's HISTORY) either!"

Other than a shepeshoo akhoond-follower, who would spell pharmacy as "farmacy"?

Here is some proof that the garbage regime called IRI (not the same as Iran) has killed tens of thousands of Iranians: according to Ervand Abrahamian's book "Tortured Confessions", between 1981-1985 the IRI killed over 12,000 members of the Mojahedin and other organizations (some of which, like the Tudeh, were even collaborating with the regime during this period). From 1979-1981, it killed about 2,000. In 1988, there was a series of mass executions of political prisoners in Iran's jails: conservative estimates are around 5,000 (some estimates are much higher than this). This doesn't include the over 200 Bahais killed by the regime, as well as Iranian politicians both at home and abroad, Kurdish rebels and supporters, adulterers, drug dealers, rapists, murderers, etc. 

Okay IRI cyber groupie, now please go and crawl back under your rock in Sheytan-e Bozorg or elsewhere in the Evil West. IRI cyber groupies hate the West and praise IRI, but they choose to live in the West? Why is that?

MM

These threads are all designed to divert attention from the real issues
facing the Iranian Diaspora.

Oh really! I gues the real issue is being the mission calling IRI's atrocities and NOTHING ELSE!

As far as I have seen here, the major problems that the Iranian diaspora is grappling with is to put food on the table in a terrible US recession (and elsewhere in the West). Nothing else come close.

There are plenty of sites where these kinds of news are regurgitated and
discussed. 

Even better, there are plenty of Iran bashing sites where you fit perfectly comfortable. Why are you posting here? and since you hate "muslims" apparently, you would fit even better in some Israeli sites!

I wonder why you are cutting your joy by appearing here at Iranian.com?

THE LESS ATTENTION WE GIVE THEM, THE MORE THEY GO AWAY.

Thn please do as you preach! Why are you responding?

hamsade ghadimi

btw, this israel/hamas article has nothing to do about iranians.  this
site is called iranian.com and i'm glad that jj did not make this a
featured news on the front page. 

If you are waiting for the media to tell you that the Iranian scientists have been killed by the same Israeli terrorist gangs, you are dreaming!

Use some common sense!

Shepesh

What I do not respect about IMF and his ilk is that they stay silent on atrocities in Iran by IRI but are outspoken about atrocities elsewhere that do not affect Iranians.

Gol gofti! That is exactly why I do not get engaged in discussions with you and ilks like you who have nothing to write about except IRI atrocities! As for me being silent on IRI atrocities, let's say, Iranian.com is already overwhelmed by such posts either by you or ilks like you.

As for subjects affecting Iranians, oh please, there are plenty that I post that deal with Iran and its security except the hate filled posts you post about, again, "IRI atrocities".

Who are you to judge any way, if the posts you can SEE is the anti IRI and nothing else. In fact, if you and ilks like you cannot possibly see anything good with IRI is stemming from the black/White reality you all subscribe to!

Case at hand, the killing of Iranian scientists by Israeli terrorist gangs. After all why would an anti Iranian like you ever think of such a possibility?

Who knows if he is Iranian?

That all depends what that means to you! If being an Iranian means to support israel and whatever atrocities that that regime commits even against Iran then yes indeed, I am not an Iranian.

This is why  he is not respected. He thinks that he can win for his cause by provoking Iranians into arguments and make unsubstantiated accusations of "traitor" "Zionist" "Israel Agent" just to discredit honest posters who care about IRAN.

Look into the mirror! No one here has been called to be a paid agent but me. In fact, I have grown a thick skin for it! ;-)  But if some here protect Israel, at times, far more than protecting their own "supposedly mother land" Iran, anyone would have doubt their true identity. ry that trick on an American or an Israeli forum to see how on the dot I am on this natural perception.

Now, try proving you are an Iranian. That would be a hell of a task!

VPK

I am late but agree with the others. If Israel wants to kill some hamas
terrorist it is their business. IRR killed: Ferydoon Farrkhzad; Shahpoor
Bakhtiar and many other Iranian patriots. That is what we worry about
not some terrorist. 

It is time you put your 1+1 logic together and see the facts as they are.It is no wonder that many people here have problems with "greens" like you. from one hand you are asking for freedom and democracy for Iran and yet you have such a pathetic notion of palestinians and their struggle. calling Palestinianresistance as "terrorism" only solidifies two facts. One is that you are parroting the common non sense in the mainstream media. Second, you do not have any understanding of the very thing you blindly asking for Iranians, that is "Freedom and Democracy".  I suppose IF you were living in Iran and if Iran was invaded, say by your beloved Israel, you will not be resisting the enemy but rather asking for dates unlike the Palestinians.

Israel has been killing Iranian scientists for sometime now, only a naive person wouldnot believe his own eyes. but then again, you thought in bahman 22 Enghelab was filled with green protesters too!

IMF: we don't hate Israel we are going to be the hammas guardian! 

Yet another patheic statement! You might as well join the Israeli terrorist team since it MIGHT prove you are a good pro democracy and anti terrorism!!! how old are you?

Amir

If he was guilty of crimes, then use legal channels to go after him
(like Interpol, which is being used against these assassins). But, this
is Israel's history: it conducts its policy via assassinations and
killing people

...and that makes it right in your eyes!

IRI has killed tens of thousands of Iranians of various political
stripes, both at home and abroad. Which is why the constant pro-IRI
propaganda provided by Iranians and non-Iranians on this website and
others is so nauseatingly disgusting.

I am sure your local farmacy can help you more on your problems. however, you have a hefty claim against Iran and the responsibility is yours to prove that "IRI has killed tens of thousands of Iranians of various political
stripes".

But it seems that you do accept that israel now stands as the sole suspect for killing Iranian scientists and perhaps more. But, only true Iranians would call this murderous acts aloud! You have certainly away!

Vildemose: I thought you were done with me!

Isn't that what you said :) Gosh

Shepesh Jan,

I understood and appreciate it. I am exactly in the same boat as you and hardly ever read or comment on their contribution.

Mehrdad

Hamsede ghadimi: what ever you say

Mehrdad

P.S. you should join vildmose with that petition to JJ that only Iranian related subject should be allowed here.

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PLEASE DO NOT INDULGE THESE NON-IRANIAN DIASPORA NEWS

These threads are all designed to divert attention from the real issues facing the Iranian Diaspora.  There are plenty of sites where these kinds of news are regurgitated and discussed.  Please do not encourage folks like IMF to post even more Hamas, Hezbollah and other news we are not focusing on.

YOUR NEGATIVE/POSITIVE REACTION AND THE FOLLOWING DISTRACTION IS EXACTLY WHAT THESE FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR.

THE LESS ATTENTION WE GIVE THEM, THE MORE THEY GO AWAY.

Shepesh: I couldn't agree more and could not have said it better

Mehrdad

fatwa on mickey mouse and nudity during sex

bavafa, you should be a little milder as not to blow your cover.   make a few innocuous agreements with the regular crowd and then agree with the gist of argument of the vf followers.  that's a more proven technique. ;)

fyi, definition of fatwa: a ruling on a point of islamic law that is given by a recognized authority.  for example, there have been fatwas against mickey mouse and nudity during sex: //www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20080924121703404C432308

btw, this israel/hamas article has nothing to do about iranians.  this site is called iranian.com and i'm glad that jj did not make this a featured news on the front page. 

Bavafa: Did you read the

Bavafa: Did you read the excellent Juan Cole's analysis?? I think it was one of his best blogs ever.

Vildemose: halleluiah

Mehrdad

What I do not respect about IMF and his ilk

is that they stay silent on atrocities in Iran by IRI but are outspoken about atrocities elsewhere that do not affect Iranians. That is what I find disgusting about such individuals who are using IRI to benefit their own cause, which has nothing to do with Iranians. Who knows if he is Iranian?

Now, he has been challenged on numerous blogs about Iran, but he chickens out and does not respond to questions put to him about IRI atrocities. His silence speaks volumes about his intentions here and his values. This is why  he is not respected. He thinks that he can win for his cause by provoking Iranians into arguments and make unsubstantiated accusations of "traitor" "Zionist" "Israel Agent" just to discredit honest posters who care about IRAN.

VPOK: See, you are

VPOK: See, you are suffering from the same thing as vildemose, lack of attention:

He is the one that accused me of issuing fatwas. Read the comments first before responding to them.

BTW, weren't you that was advocating "discussion" yesterday

Is this what you mean by it?

You want another Fatwa: pack up and move to Gaza!

Mehrdad

Bavafa

You said this about vildemose

Weren't you the one that have issued fatwas as what people should do and shouldn't do? Lets see who left this comment here and many times in the past:

If you think his comments are Fatwa then you have no idea what you are talking about.  When you make these ridiculous statements you rank right there with IMF and Jaleho. You want another Fatwa: pack up and move to Gaza!

Bavafa: I'm done with you.

Bavafa: I'm done with you. We are both hypocrites, you're right...That's how we all are. Get used to it.

Vildemose:

Vildemose: are we suffering from short memory or exercising hypocrisy?

Weren't you the one that have issued fatwas as what people should do and shouldn't do? Lets see who left this comment here and many times in the past:

This is not Palestinian.com or Islam.com or Israel.com...take your fight to Israel and Palestine and leave us Iranians alone.

Mehrdad

P.S. For crying out loud, at least read your own comment before jumping the gun and sticking your foot in the mouth

Hamasforum: Don't be too

Hamasforum: Don't be too worried, your welfare checks are not going to be stopped anytime soon.

Bavafa

VPOK: If is not your problem, then why do you constantly go out of your
way to make it your problem. You either care about Ezrail or you don't.
If you don't, then move on to the next news. If you do, then say some
thing about the subject. 

I jump in because I want everyone to know IMF or you don't speak for all Iranians. If I don't then the only voice will be IMF and you.

BTW if you are pro-Ezrail, don't be ashamed
of it, just say so.  No one will bite.

I asm pro Iran. I want Iran to have many allies including Israel.