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unrelated issues?

Did you really say "unrelated issues"????  Well Sir, let me remind you that YOU brought up "unrelated issues" by infering that this terrorist act was justified by references to crimes that were, indeed, committed by American troops.  I make no defense of the gang rape or murder, et al and believe that those quilty should suffer the maximum punishment.  In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I personally believe that civilian crimes committed by American troops on foreign land should be punished beyond the "normal" punishment.  My reason is emotional and not a legal recommendation but I believe that foreigners in any land, for any reason but most particularly in times of war, should respect native civilians to the max. 

But back to your own treasonist comments... MY comment was in direct response to YOUR unrelated justifications.  You want to cloak your anti-American sentiments in some pathetic excuse to blame this TERRORIST act on military training.

And I'll also point out that this is far more than a "killing incident".  That alone is an indication of your lack of compassion for the cowardly TERRORIST murder of Americans.

Oh... and I also want to point out your ridiculous reference to my "demanding" anything from you....LOLOL

"I hope you come back..." 

Demanding?  I hardly think so.  :-)

As far as implicating you in anything, you do a pretty good job all by yourself.  :-)

Che

You want to think atrocities are only committed by American troops?  Go right ahead... don't let the truth stand in the way of a good lie.  Believe me... there is "proof" of a hell of alot more atrocities from your beloved IRI.  You're so concerned about US atrocities against Iraqis... good for you.  Why don't you try a little sympathy for Iranians and the atrocities committed against them by the Iranian government.  But no... that's different, right?

You are doing a very poor job by diverging on whole other issues that are unrelated here. The post here is on a very specific subject and you don't gain anything by diverging. You are quite welcome to disregard my explanations, though it is a poor approach in trying to prove your point nevertheless you are entitled. But if you are at all trying to implicate me, focus on the subject. Otherwise neither demand any response nor bother comments on my responses. That way you can stay as unchalleneged as you like.

no Shah

That doesn't cut it.  Minimal as it is, it's still nothing but spin on your part.

Your comment was representative of EXACTLY how you feel.  But I'm not going to fret too much about it.  What goes around, comes around.  

You want to think atrocities are only committed by American troops?  Go right ahead... don't let the truth stand in the way of a good lie.  Believe me... there is "proof" of a hell of alot more atrocities from your beloved IRI.  You're so concerned about US atrocities against Iraqis... good for you.  Why don't you try a little sympathy for Iranians and the atrocities committed against them by the Iranian government.  But no... that's different, right?

Such "gentle" language from others... callous?  uncalled for?

It's far more than callous.  How about anti-HUMANITARIAN, CRIMINAL and SICK. 

I hope you're not living in the US because it would also then be treasonist. 

Mr. Shah Ghollam

We both know that I 100% am in opposite of your ideology, but I have respected it since you as anyone else are fully entitled to what you believe in.

But I condemn your remark regarding [live shooting practice]. Totally callous and uncalled for.

Respectfully

-YT 

Well, to clearify

look back and riview the US military actions since 2001 invasion of Afghanestan. We have proof of some of the most horrific war attrocities commited by the US GIs such as gang rape of a 14 year old girl and murdering her parents in Mohamadieh Iraq, random shooting at civilians, torturing and raping male and female prisoners in Abu Gharib, mass killings in Fallujah, anhilation of villages in both Afghanestan and Iraq, Afghan and Gitmo turture centers and so on. With such numerous examples of war time attrocities by US soldiers in uniform, am I wrong to think that somehow the training of these soldiers are to be blamed especially at Fort Hood, the largest military training facility in the world? Why should people be surprised of an a killing incident at Fort Hood when looking at what has happened in Iraq and Afghanestan?

I am simply pointing to the source of all these war time attrocities and that is the training centers such as Fort Hood. It was only a matter of time for these attitudes to strike at home.

Mr. Duke A tragedy indeed

Thanks for some detailed information regarding the Dr Hassan. It is such a tragedy for this to have happened.

When I was driving to office listening to NPR, What I heard was that he has been projecting signs of deep distress and depression for a while now. I do not think that any one knows of his motives yet. More than likely, just like many instances that has occurred in post offices in the past, he just snapped. Or at least that is what I hope.

With as many specialized people assigned  to the case I am certain as soon as they can interview him they are going to go to the bottom of it. For time being, due to the sensitivity of the issue[him being a Muslim] every authorities that are interviewed are refraining from any speculation. After all this could lead to much bigger disaster, much similar to Oklahoma City Bombing, when they initially announced that a Middle Eastern man was the suspect.

Regards

-YT 

Che khabar e

I'm sure his day was made!

Mr. shah Ghollam

That is an absolutely arrogant and ignorant comment to leave in the face of such tragedy.

13 people have lost their lives, 35 are wounded. that is 48 family scared for ever and you make this kind of comment?

Shame dude shame

-YT 

shah

I hope you come back and explain your comment.  It sounds very much like you're condoning this terrorist's actions or at the very least, taking it very lightly.

Duke:   The military does not adequately address mental health issues, especially with veterans.  It's been debated whether nor not he suffered from PTSS because he has never been deployed overseas.  I believe that he could in fact suffer, regardless of whether or not he was actually IN Iraq or AF.  He dealt with the issues of hundreds of vets who DID.  It might be secondary but the effects are the same. 

What will come forth in the investigations are more specific reasons... was this pure terrorism on the part of a Muslim or were the mental health issues the primary cause.  More and more evidence is pointing to his faith.  It then becomes a terrorist act. 

good to see you back DW Duke

DW, not sure if you watched  Lary King's interview a couple of nights ago with several people who served U.S military in Iraq and Afghanistan with honor .... one of them repeated many times that U.S will not win...........

BTW, good to see you back, your interesting/meaningful stories are missed.

What is the cause?

Is the US military doing something wrong? We are seeing more and more military men "snap" and do something tragic or simply go AWOL. I noticed today that a Senator from South Carolina had no reservations in referring to Dr. Hasan as a murderer who committed a cowardly act of treason. And while that may be true, what is it that caused this event? What is the history?

Interestingly, Dr. Hasan had actually hired a lawyer about a year ago in an effort to avoid deployment to Iraq. The Army refused to listen to his claim that he was a consciencious objector and that his Muslim religion prohibited him from killing or assisting in killing other Muslims. Contrary to UN Commission on Human Rights Resolution 1998/77 the Army refused to recognize that a man could develop conscientious objections while in the military.

In the case of Dr. Hasan, this was a man who was counseling hundreds of soldiers who were returning from Iraq talking about horrific atrocities and the random execution of civilians including women and children. Was his action a calculated murder as described by many or did he snap and in this mentally incapacitated state, devise a plan to execute those who were about to be deployed to execute others. Does that justify his actions? Of course not. He should be tried for murder. But does it explain a possible reason for his actions? Is the military doing something wrong?

I call this

live training!