The Israel lobby is aiming to soften up US public opinion for an attack on Iran.
Guardian UK / Richard Silverstein
05-Nov-2009 (20 comments)

Israel is in the midst of a massive diplomatic, political and intelligence campaign, both public and covert, that could lead – if those officials behind it have their way – towards a military strike on Iran. It is a war for the hearts and minds of Americans. Or you might call it the war before the war. In intelligence circles, this Israeli project is known as perception management and defined by the department of defense........
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The Israelis are following the template of the Bush administration's run-up to the Iraq war. First, the US government advocated half-hearted efforts at diplomatic engagement. Then it ratcheted up pressure through sanctions and UN resolutions. That is where the Israeli campaign stands now.

Aipac's members carried a unified message to Capitol Hill during their lobbying of US senators and members of Congress. They demanded that Congress pass the most draconian sanctions ever proposed against Iran. They demanded that Iran be offered a limited time in which to respond to an ultimatum insisting it drop its nuclear programme.

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ex programmer craig

The proof is on you to show

by ex programmer craig on

The proof is on you to show that my information is false.

Dude, you first claimed that Israel doens't have cruise missiles at all, and then you came back and admitted they did but claimed that their cruise missiles can only be armed with nuclear warheads. Bullshit, on both counts. And I don't need to "prove" that you are ignorant. You do that just fine on your own, and the fact that you even go back and edit your comments to get rid of the evidence of your mistakes is pretty good evidence you know it as well as anyone.


Shah Ghollam

Ex

by Shah Ghollam on

The proof is on you to show that my information is false.

Simply claiming Israel has this and that w/o any proof is equal to hot air. I need to see souces that claim Israel has cruise missiles with long ranges and in ample numbers in its inventory. Simple!


ex programmer craig

Shah Ghollam

by ex programmer craig on

So you did a wiki search and found out Israel actually does have cruise missiles, but you decided that Israeli cruise missiles can only carry nukes? And that they must not have very many of them because of cost?

Well, you were wrong with your first statement and you're still wrong even after you corrected yourself. While pretending you knew all along, which was cute. I'm not going to argue about military capabilities with somebody who not only makes mistakes about the basics but backfills to try to cover those mistakes when somebody corrects them. Enjoy your ignorance. Just don't expect to find a sympathetic listener when things don't go as you (cheerfully) expect them to.

EDIT: You removed some of the claims you made from your previous comment now? lol. That's an even better way to avoid having to admit you were wrong! :p

 


Shah Ghollam

Ex

by Shah Ghollam on

How people with a smirk on their face talk about Iranian made missiles supplied to an Iranian created proxy being "rained down" on Tel Aviv - which is the civilian capital of Israel - complain about the barbarity of Israelis. Isn't it?

You as usual don't seem to read carefully but depend on your fully flawed personal ideas.

I never mentioned anything about HZ missiles, you did. In fact I mentioned Shahb missiles, non of such missile is available to HZ. Iran can handle Israel from 1500 Km away w/o any need from HZ. Having said that, it is only logical that once Israel satisfies its eternal appetite for war by attacking Iran, Israel will not be the one to decide when and how to finish it and as all military analysis written on the subject have been telling the world that the war will spread.

As for Israeli "cruise missiles", I hold my ground! Israel Does have a few submarine launched nuclear cruise missiles (Turbo Popeye)and only two submarines to launch such misslies that have short range (300 Km). The Popeye II, an airborn or possibly land based cruise missile has even shorter range. None of these missiles could be available to IDF in large numbers due to its massive costs. If your hint is about Israeli nukes, then we wil have a different discussion here though I am not surprised of the possibility.

 

 


میرزاقشمشم

exp

by میرزاقشمشم on

How come a systematic replenishment of arms and ammunition of Israel's so-called defence forces are justified?

Bear in mind that legitimacy of the state of Israel in the region is not much more established than that of any of those, let's say state-less groups, just to avoid calling them terrorist groups.


ex programmer craig

interesting

by ex programmer craig on

How people with a smirk on their face talk about Iranian made missiles supplied to an Iranian created proxy being "rained down" on Tel Aviv - which is the civilian capital of Israel - complain about the barbarity of Israelis. Isn't it?

There's really nothing more that needs to be said, in my opinion. You guys obviously don't believe Israel will use the same savage techniques IRI uses. Otherwise you wouldn't support that savagery. 

By the way, if you don't know that Israel has cruise missiles, Gollum, then really,... why do you even comment on such matters? Your ignorance is staggering.


Abarmard

Israel civilized?

by Abarmard on

And perhaps the most democratic state too.


capt_ayhab

Proof of how civilized

by capt_ayhab on

Proof of how civilized Israel is. WARNING graphic images

//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&...

 

-YT 


Shah Ghollam

EX Marine?

by Shah Ghollam on

How terrified are you of hundreds of cruise missiles raining down on Tehran? Not much, I'm guessing. 

Ever since when Israel has cruise missiles in its arsenal?

You probably think Israel is too civilized to behave the same way the IRI does, right? lol.

I be the last person to think Israel is civilized, That is how well I know that cancer. In fact, one thing Israel has managed to carve in its history is its savagery. I guess you don't even read the news these days. Does Goldstone report ring any bell in your head? 

And if Israel did respond using the same tactics the IRI uses against them, you'd be the first accusing them of war crimes wouldn't you?

War crimes is the Israeli hallmark, google that for your own education. Even kids living in Favelas of Rio know this, how is that an ex marine doesn't? May be that is why US has lost both In Iraq and Afghanestan to a bunch of rag tag poorly armed and poorly trained rebels!

Iran will retaliate only after Israel attacks Iran. No one but Israelis would understand this logic of counter attack than Israelis since it has been them who have retaliated, albeit massively, against Palestinians in the name of "self defence". Iran is far more legit to give Israel a bit of its own medicine with pleasure in similar circumstance!

But I am curious how you keep coming back to me after your claim that you "been there and done that". How is that? 

I just met a bit of your past in this thread. Quite educating indeed!

 


میرزاقشمشم

expc

by میرزاقشمشم on

Replying your PS part:

This is my dude. This is what I expect fom an ex-marine. Stop JJ this, JJ that.

Hey dude; about that sad incident in the army base in the US; the shooter is a muslim and they are trying their best not to magnify his ethnicity.

Do you have any plan to go on yet another round of foreigner bashing of yours for that?

 

 


میرزاقشمشم

expc

by میرزاقشمشم on

you are going paranoid. Better seek help soon enough.

Now how are you dude?


ex programmer craig

lol

by ex programmer craig on

You ran to the site's adm.

The "site admin" deleted my reply to your alleged joke, and left your alleged joke in place until the next day. All without any input from me! You can't even successfully impersonate a funny person when JJ is helping you :o

And PS: Your juvenile smack-talking isn't as offensive as you seem to think it is, either. It just looks like the ravings of a mentally disabled psychopath. Were you ever in the Basij, by any chance?


ex programmer craig

Dude

by ex programmer craig on

Why do you work so hard at setting up your dumb jokes? It's a total let down. You act like you are going to favor us with genius and then you babble like a moron. Just spit it out!


میرزاقشمشم

expc

by میرزاقشمشم on

Listen; I have another message for you.

You don't have to decipher anything this time. ready dude?


ex programmer craig

میرزاقشمشم

ex programmer craig


Are you funny in farsi?


میرزاقشمشم

expc

by میرزاقشمشم on

Why? To cut my lawn? or to cut my throat?

How R u dude?


ex programmer craig

میرزاقشمشم

ex programmer craig


Nope! I'm in your backyard, with a pair of night vision goggles.


میرزاقشمشم

ex prog cr.

by میرزاقشمشم on

r u here?


ex programmer craig

Gollum

by ex programmer craig on

...but is terrified of literary hundereds of Shahabs raining on Tel Aviv with no reliable air defence.

How terrified are you of hundreds of cruise missiles raining down on Tehran? Not much, I'm guessing. You probably think Israel is too civilized to behave the same way the IRI does, right? lol.

And if Israel did respond using the same tactics the IRI uses against them, you'd be the first accusing them of war crimes wouldn't you?


Shah Ghollam

Israel

by Shah Ghollam on

is simply practicing scare tactics. It can "possibly" a single bombing run but is terrified of literary hundereds of Shahabs raining on Tel Aviv with no reliable air defence. In the end, such bombings will very little to stop Iran's peaceful nuclear activities but to catapult Iranians to have nuclear bombs as protection. Then what for Israel?

It is nothing but a lose lose scenario for Israel!