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Finally Benross showed up

I didn't read your follow-up and I don't intend to read it because I read YOU way before you touch the keyboard. So take space of this site as much as you like. It's JJ problem. I'm not reading you.

Israel should not be in any topic of this Iranian site. If it is, I ignore it.

What a poor way of saying " I have my blinders on, don't bug me"!

The very reason you avoided to read the comment fully is because it really "beats the hell out of your poorly and biased made in earlier comments". Your assertion that Israel does kill, maim or wound journalists only in "hot spots" is simply "DUMB".

Waht defines a "hot spot"? If there is a journalist killed in downtown Tel Aviv in by Israelis in a an IDF operation against Palestinian kids throwing rocks, is that killing fitting your definition of hot spot?

You can stick your head into sand as long as you want, but you can't runaway from the facts!! These are recorded facts.

Incidently, if you think Israel does not harm its own journalists withing its occupied Israeli borders, think again.........read my comment and refer to the links provided then enlighten your close minded self. After, you can always stick you head into the sand, something you have probably been doing for a life time!

It's not so flattering to be

It's not so flattering to be so in demand by Shah Ghollam. But to end the suffering of others, I just respond this:

I made my point. I'm aware of what Israeli army did and is doing to the journalists in hot spots. As a matter of fact I didn't wait for the report of reporters without borders to know that. I knew it, as it was happening at the time of events. So the issue is well understood and closed by me. And I made my point. I didn't read your follow-up and I don't intend to read it because I read YOU way before you touch the keyboard. So take space of this site as much as you like. It's JJ problem. I'm not reading you.

Israel should not be in any topic of this Iranian site. If it is, I ignore it. 

Ms/Mrs/Miss benross

I was hping she would come back to respond!

I guess Ms/Mrs/Miss benross

will be coming back for a response!

Beneross

So it's not about freedom of speech as a whole. Reporters are harsher on Israel because as a democratic society, they have higher expectation.

I just wish if the Israelis were that much demanding on themselves for the following the Democratic image they try so hard to project. The hint is that may be that "democracy" is just not what we are led to believe through the massively manupulated and supportive pro Israeli media.

Otherwise, how many of these reporters were put in the prison, in a mock trial and confession ritual in Israel?

So, You seem to use Iran as your standard. I am impressed how now Israelis often compare thier significant natioal charactors and events with Iran, a country that they believe is a terrorist country.But to prove to you that Israel's record is bismal in terms of respect of journalists that includes even their own, read the following examples:

"The IFJ says that Wenger, under the instruction of a female voice from loudspeakers at the checkpoint, was forced to strip off her pants and to put them into an x-ray machine. She was told to put her hands in the air and was subject to a body check through a new x-ray machine.
". Source: //www.ifj.org/default.asp?index=3944&Language=EN

"Dear Mr. Rubinstein The International Federation of Journalists is concerned about the prohibition placed by the Israeli government in 1999 on Michael Eldar, author of the book Dakar. We fully support his appeal to have the order, which prevents him from speaking freely, lifted.

Michael Eldar, a former Navy captain, is now a freelance journalist and writer, and used journalistic methods when writing the book, which concerns the history of the Israeli submarine unit and the disappearance of the submarine Dakar. The book was banned from distribution, and re-published in 1999 after he deleted certain passages, a fact the author is not allowed to speak about." Source:

"Gaza-Ma'an-Two journalists, one Japanese and the other, Palestinian, have been injured by the ongoing Israeli bombardment of the Palestinian town of Beit Hanoun in the north of the Gaza Strip.". Source: //www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=13314  

“Foreign and domestic media harshly criticized the GPO's proposed eligibility rules for Israeli and foreign journalists as a Government attempt to control the press.”“The security forces detained without charge several foreign media employees. On April 24, security forces arrested without charge Agence France-Presse photographer Hossam Abu Alan, and on April 30, Reuters cameraman Yusri Al Jamal. Both were released 6 months later without charge. Abu Alan's equipment was confiscated and never returned.”

"The Israeli Government generally respected freedom of speech in the occupied territories; however, IDF soldiers routinely harassed and occasionally detained Palestinian and other journalists covering stories in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel frequently denied journalists travel permits and revoked or delayed issuing press credentials, all of which amounted to de facto censorship. The IDF allegedly killed two journalists covering clashes between Palestinians and Israeli security forces, both of whom were identified as noncombatants, and injured at least four others. During the year, Israel raided the premises of several television and radio stations."  Source: //www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm

Israel Continues U.S. Policy of Killing Journalists/Witnesses
//www.marchforjustice.com/id331.htm

IPI CRITICISES TREATMENT OF BRITISH JOURNALIST IN ISRAEL.
//www.accessmylibrary.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2930&purchase_type=ITM&item_id=0286-13211643

Watchdog blasts U.S., Israel for treatment of media
//www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20031020-0501-media-freedom.html

"The Israeli army's repeated abuse of journalists in the occupied territories and the U.S. army's responsibility in the death of several reporters during the war in Iraq constitute unacceptable behaviour," the watchdog said in a statement.

Israel Muzzles Palestinian and Foreign Journalists

//www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070520&articleId=5709</A< a>>

//abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131027&page=1&page=1

//cpj.org/2002/03/attacks-on-the-press-2001-israel-and-the-occupied.php

//cpj.org/2001/04/tv-journalist-shot-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza.php

//cpj.org/2001/03/journalists-at-risk-in-israel-and-the-occupied-ter.php   

One can easily research an abundant Israeli abuses of members of the press by a very simple search using Google. For the little time I spent to dig out Israeli lies, I am confident that Israel not only is no angle, but in actuality, Israel has been far more abusive of journalists (not just Israeli, Palestinian) but also a countless numbers of European even American journalists in terms of severity of treatment and numbers of individuals.

But what wonders me is that how these diehard Israeli supporters almost always resort to lying, misrepresentation, disinformation, misinformation, cheating and outright lying in order to convince public what Israel is not and has never been in its sixty years of shameful existence as a cancer.

Ms/Mrs/Miss benross

I assume you are a female, if so I apologize. However all the time I have been calling you Mr. benross I did not see your objections to it.

At any rate Ms/Miss/Mrs benross, you and I differ on our opinion about Israel, so lets just leave it there. I am not here to convince you to see the truth, nor you are here to convince me to see Israel as the angel you think they are.

Have a wonderful time.

-YT 

As an avid reader of Israeli press,

my sense is there are two sets of rules for the press in Israel. Israel has imposed a set of draconian gags on its press for anything the IDF and the "security" services deem to be of military and/or security nature. Case in point Mordkhai Vanunu was kidnapped in Italy, drugged and flow to Israel, tried and sentenced for the "crime" of just saying Israel has nukes! There are many other examples. On the other hand there is complete freedom of the press regarding civil and political affairs. So Israel is a special case.

Cap, you need to apologize to benross for calling him a "dude". He's not a dude...he's...emmm...something else...you know what I'm talking about. 

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Just a messenger?!

Fair enough. Its the report of 'reporters without borders'. So it's not about freedom of speech as a whole. Reporters are harsher on Israel because as a democratic society, they have higher expectation. Otherwise, how many of these reporters were put in the prison, in a mock trial and confession ritual in Israel?

No captain, you are not 'just a messenger'. And don't call me dude. This is a prelude of the kind of language that Ostaad uses. We are better off without it.

Mr. benross

[And you intentionally want to compare it with freedom of expression in Iran? Who do you want to fool captain? Or was it just an innocent news contribution?! ]

Correction dude, Author of the article makes the comparison and not me, I suggest you comment on his own site. This humble commentator is just a messenger.

Have nice day.

-YT 

P/S They are not talking about freedom of expression in general, but about freedom of press in particular. 

Captain

This is what the news says:

Israel sank to 93rd in the ranking, behind other Middle Eastern countries such as Kuwait and Lebanon, because of its restrictions on press freedom during the assault on Gaza.

Reporters Without Borders noted widespread military censorship, five arrests and three imprisonments of journalists and a climate of intimidation. In the Gaza Strip, 20 journalists in the Gaza Strip were injured by the Israeli military forces and three were killed while covering the offensive. 

And you intentionally want to compare it with freedom of expression in Iran? Who do you want to fool captain? Or was it just an innocent news contribution?! 

This is why I think Israel should completely be removed from our discussion. It is polluting our discussions and is intentionally or unintentionally creating diversion.