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Dear capt_ayhab jaan

Sorry but I am sad about all this because I know it is THE PEOPLE which will be hit hard by all this cat and mouse games which were unnecessary. So many sanctions already, we had hoped for a government that would negotiate coming off the sanctions, better image to the world. But now, we are going to get even more crippled. It is such a mess. Why did they just not do things by the book, keep his mouth shut about Israel JUST FOR NOW, so that we can have decent quality of life..... total disaster for ordinary citizens.

Well, you finally seem to get it shazdeh.

As mentioned by you, it seems that I am not that highly educated and thus I can not be a MKO member. Oh thank God you finally got it. But I am still a fan of CIA, on MOSAD's payroll and I offer my services to NASA, KGB and a couple of other organizations.

P/S Shepesh Jan

Since you edited your comment, then allow me to add. ;-0)

Just to be clear as crystal, my position about IR is very clear. They must go. All their atrocities shall be avenged.

But as to possessing nuclear technology, please see my previous comment.

Does Ahmadinejad's stupidity and zealousness put Iranian nation at grave disgrace and danger? There are absolutely no questions nor any arguments there. But bare in mind, Ahmadinejad's and IR's come and go, and when they are gone[which is sooner than later] We as Iranians are going to be left with 50 to 60 years worth of fossil fuel.

When it is gone, what then? can you answer me please?

-YT 

Mr capt_ayhab, this is not what Iran agreed to

No we are not talking about Hamas nor Hezbollah, but YOU were.

Because Iran supplies them, and that is relevant to the nuclear issue.

US and Russia are sitting on roughly 5,736 and 4,840 action ready atomic warheads respectively. Israel, Pakistan, India, three of the most volatile nation in recent history have the following stockpiles of action ready warheads. India, which has been in war with Pakistan off and on for decades has 35 warheads. In addition to that has produced enough weapons grade plutonium for 50 - 60 war heads. Israel currently posses approximately 200 ready to detonate warheads[see french connection]  

I agree. But nor you or I can change that. The best hope is that nations stick to agreements made and abide by them.

Iran as any other nation has GOD GIVEN right to be able to defend herself, knowing that she is in most volatile region of the world, and knowing that Israel and US, have Iran on their gun sight on daily basis.

I do not agree here, as it is iran making the threats. And Iranian regime that appears to act irrationally and given recent events dishonestly, and cannot be trusted.

UN and US have known about Iran's second reactor for months now. According to UN guideline, Iran has the right to as many reactors as she want. The only obligation is that they have to notify NU 180 days prior to production of any nuclear material. Which everyone is in agreement that Iran has not broken any rules.

This is not accurate. Please see my earlier post: “The Iranians claim to have withdrawn from an agreement with the IAEA requiring them to notify the agency of the intent to build any new nuclear facilities and instead are now only subject to the six-month notification requirement before a facility becomes operational. But the IAEA says Tehran cannot unilaterally withdraw from that bilateral agreement and should have announced just the intent to build the facility. “

Mr. Shepesh

No we are not talking about Hamas nor Hezbollah, but YOU were. To rebut your comment I gave a picture of the most notorious supplier of arms in ALL the wars in the globe.

As to your question of nuclear weapons. US and Russia are sitting on roughly 5,736 and 4,840 action ready atomic warheads respectively. Israel, Pakistan, India, three of the most volatile nation in recent history have the following stockpiles of action ready warheads.

India, which has been in war with Pakistan off and on for decades has 35 warheads. In addition to that has produced enough weapons grade plutonium for 50 - 60 war heads.

Pakistan currently at war and at the verge of being taken over by Taliban, has built 24-48 HEU-based nuclear warheads.

Israel currently posses approximately 200 ready to detonate warheads[see french connection]

Source : //www.fas.org/nuke/guide

Back to Iran and my opinion on nuclear arms. To me there are only 2 ways. Either the entire world has to rid herself of all the nuclear weapons, OR Iran, as any other nation has GOD GIVEN right to be able to defend herself, knowing that she is in the most volatile region of the world, and knowing that Israel and US, have Iran on their gun sights on a daily basis.

UN and US have known about Iran's second reactor for months now. According to UN guidelines, Iran has the right to as many reactors as she want. The only obligation is that they have to notify UN 180 days prior to production of any nuclear material. Which everyone is in agreement that Iran has not broken any rules.

-YT 

Straight From The Apologist's Playbook

Chapter One: "How To Respond To Questions About About Human Rights Abuses by the IR Regime"

Blame It On Israel.

Chapter Two: "What To Do When Confronted With The Facts About The IR's bankrolling of Hamas and Hezbollah"

Yell, " Israel!"

Chapter Three: "Why Isn't The IR Open and Transparent About The Nuclear Program?"

Israel.

Chapter Four: Who Hijacked The Iranian Election?

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OK Mr capt_ayhab

I did not know we were talking about the world in this topic to justify Hamas and Hezbulah.

But  what do you propose? Let Iran build nuclear weapons ? Do nothing and let Khamenei get these and intimidate / blackmail surrounding countries as they do their own people ?

This is my question, not the history of weapons dispersal.

possible technological advances and security of our nation

So you accept that Iran are building nuclear technology for this purpose. Then it should not lie.

neo con warmongers

What about the continuous threatening language by Ahmadinejad towards Israel (which puts Iran at risk and shames its reputation) - right to exists, Holocaust manipulation among a few. This is not warmongering? Are we having a balanced argument here?

Shepesh - the definition of apologist

The term apologist so popular on this website denotes a person who argues and defends and justifies some policy or institution which is INDEFENSIBLE.   The definition you outline is of a protagonist.   It is therefore an offensive term in this context.  It simply means because I disagree with you your position is indefensible!

Mr. Shepesh

You stated[Knowing that it supports and supplies weapons to terrorists is the worry.]

And since you are not taking sides as you said, allow me to present some statistics about the global arm dealing, if you do not mind.

1. According to "Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations, 1994-2001." CRS Report for Congress by Richard F. Grimmet. August 6, 2002. Order Code RL31529.

Since 1992, the United States has exported more than $142 billion dollars worth of weaponry to states around the world.
The U.S. dominates this international arms market, supplying just under half of all arms exports in 2001, roughly two and a half times more than the second and third largest suppliers.  U.S. weapons sales help outfit non-democratic regimes, soldiers who
commit gross human rights abuses against their citizens and citizens of other countries, and forces in unstable regions on the verge of, in the
middle of, or recovering from conflict. 

2. According to World Policy Institute. Available online: www.worldpolicy.org

U.S.-origin weapons find their way
into conflicts the world over. The United States supplied arms or military technology
to more than 92% of the conflicts under way in 1999. The costs to the families and
communities afflicted by this violence is immeasurable. But to most arms dealers, the
profit accumulated outweighs the lives lost. In the period from 1998-2001, over 68% of world arms deliveries were sold or given to developing nations, where lingering conflicts or societal violence can scare away potential investors.

Very same Taliban who are called terrorist and who are responsible for so much blood shed were brought to existence and armed by US to confront USSR.

Same Iraq which is in ruins now, in which they are YET to find WMD's were armed and supported by EU and US to MURDER hundreds of thousands of our bravest sons and daughters for EIGHT bloody years.

I hate IR, and want to see our people free of their HOKOMAT as much as the next guy, but lets not compromise possible technological advances and security of our nation by giving into the deafening propaganda that is being spread by AIPAC and neo con warmongers.

Respectfully

-YT 

Sorry you saw it that way

Apologist

Definition: a person who argues to defend or justify some policy or institution

It was certainly not my intention. To accuse of name calling is unfair. Kind regards.  

"apologist"?

"But I do not want to continue an argument where we clearly see things differently, and will leave it respecting your point of view."

I wish you did but name calling is not the respectful way of ending a discussion.

IRANdokht

Why do pologists always use excuses?

If Iran wanted to have peaceful nuclear technology then it should have complied with the bilateral sagreement. It has not and this has roused suspicions which is unnecessary, leading to crippling sanctions for iranians who have lived in poverty for decades.

You mention “disregard for fairness and global peace and human rights issues”, but we are talking about Iran.  To use this type of argument to skirt around Iran issue is futile. And to say so and so have nuclear weapons so why not Iran is not helpful. In fact none of the countries you mentioned should have nuclear weapons at all. But as I said before Iran supplies weapons for at least 2 terrorist organisations. Perhaps you think that they are not terrorists, and that is your opinion.

Why bring Israel as an excuse for Iran cheating? I do not want a war at all. What I am saying is that you cannot blame Israel (who is consistently verbally attacked and provoked by Iran) for getting worried about iran becoming nuclear.You say iran is nowhere near making a bomb, but how do you know? And how do you know khamenei will be the last or the worse tyrant Iran will produce? How can you predict the behavior of irrational and radical Islamists? By the way I am muslim belive it or not.

“This Iran's nuclear issue is just an excuse. I don't think it's working against IRI regime, I actually believe that the way the West is playing this game is helping IRI and Ahmadinejad.  “ – OK this is your opinion, but I agree to differ from it. You are trying to put my views down to  “hate” of IRI and emotions (which I think a little patronising), but believe me I know IRI very well and am speaking from a practical point of view. I am not using nationalism to cloud my judgement.

But I do not want to continue an argument where we clearly see things differently, and will leave it respecting your point of view.  

I understand where you're coming from

I do understand the frustration we Iranians feel when represented to the world by people like Ahmadinejad, Larijani and some of the most backwards mullahs like ahmad khatami and mesbah yazdi and of course ali khamenei...  

The problem is that some of us are allowing our emotions and our disregard for the mullahs regime translate into a complete disregard for fairness and global peace and human rights issues.

Here's one example: IRI is a violator of human rights and so is Israel in a much larger scale and for a much longer time. The fact that we don't like the mullah's regime is actually making some of our otherwise sensible hamvatans to actually wish for a military attack of Iran by Israel. Of course not all go that far, but I brought it up to show how dangerous blind hate and being overly emotional can be.

Another example is the nuclear issue. There is clear and present danger by at least 3 of the countries with nuclear bombs: Israel N Korea and Pakistan. Iran is no where near making a bomb, it has never attacked any other country in the recent centuries and is completely complying with the international agency IAEA. 

Pakistan does have a bomb, it's very unstable with Taliban in charge of it's northern territories and Afghan borders, it's already an enemy of India (another country armed with atomic bomb) and nobody is worried about them? 

This Iran's nuclear issue is just an excuse. I don't think it's working against IRI regime, I actually believe that the way the West is playing this game is helping IRI and Ahmadinejad. 

More often than none, politicians count on and use people's emotions to their advantage. Hating IRI and getting all emotionally drained and frustrated with them can cause our country a lot more harm than knowing what is happening and being able to figure out why.

IRANdokht

shepesh

Ultra right wing republicans and AIPAC supporters are much more ruthless than IRI reactionaries ... and they meddle in others affairs way much more than IRI does. .... IRI criminals are petty criminal compared to sophisticated criminals who started Iraq war etc.

I am not taking sides

But I think that it is the brutal regime in Iran that worries the world, the way it oppresses to stay in power and the hinting of wanting to export its Islamic Revolution. Knowing that it supports and supplies weapons to terrorists is the worry. Also the start of a nuclear race in the Middle East.

I am not a fan of Israel either but understand the world's worry over the IRI regime getting nuclear weapons. I really dont want to get into the Palestinian issue, as I am sick of Iran being used for an Islamic crusade. All Iranians I know (mostly Ahmadinejad supporters) are also becoming sick of being used by Khamenei politics of Palestine. I do not want a President that makes racist comments and causes Iran to be isolated for ever. I am sick of what Iran has become under radical Islam.

Iran says that it does not want outsiders to meddle in its affairs, yet it meddles in other country's affairs. FYI my family took part in Ian Iraq war and we do not want another.

The bigger nuclear danger

As far as aggressive behavior and proven dangerous background, I think other countries who currently possess nuclear bombs are more of a threat to the international community than Iran.One in particular has already used nuclear bombs against civilian populations: USA and the other which is not bound to answer to anyone even though has proven to be very aggressive towards other nations and is constantly threatening to bomb our country: Israel

//www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Israel/Nucl...

"Introduction

Israel is the sixth nation in the world, and the first in the Middle East, to develop and acquire a nuclear weapons capability. Israel initiated its nuclear program in earnest in the mid-to-late 1950s, and by late 1966, it had completed the R&D phase of its first nuclear weapon device. Since 1970, Israel's status as a nuclear weapon state (NWS) has become an accepted international fact.
However, Israel's behavior as a NWS has been distinctly different from the behavior of the five official members of the nuclear club that have signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)—the United States, Russia, France, China, and the United Kingdom; and India and Pakistan, which have not signed the NPT. While these nations have publicly declared their nuclear status, Israel, to this day, has never confirmed or denied its nuclear status and remains outside the NPT. Since Prime Minister Levi Eshkol pledged in the mid-1960s that "Israel will not be the first nation to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East," all his successors have adhered to this opaque declared policy, and this policy has become known as Israel's policy of "nuclear opacity" or ambiguity.
Israel is now an advanced NWS, in both quality and quantity of its arsenal. Estimates as to the size of Israel's nuclear arsenal vary and range from 100 to over 200 warheads."

 
The above article is not even news, it's old published facts. 

IRANdokht

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this whole "revealing secrets" sounds fishy

It seems they revealed Iran's "secret" right on cue... I was shocked at how scripted the whole thing looks.

Apparently Iran had already announced the information to IAEA before the big dogs of the world discovered it!

Not sure what the charade is about, but khoda bekheyr koneh!!!

IRANdokht

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Ah, please...

 Iranian governemnt shows no sympathy to its own people.

Ah, please.....bag it! Don't have anything more sophisticated to say? We are told the MKO organization is filled with highly educated (though tormented) members. So, what happened to you?

Iranian government shows no sypathy to it's own people.

Let alone to those that it threatens on daily basis. West and israel have every right to be on alerted by i.r.'s nuclear ambitions. And please, gholam khan, couple of weeks ago, even you admitted that i.r. is probabely after nuclear weapon capability.

Only once this fascist regime seizes to exist, will Iranians have the chance to show the world the true nature of Iranians. We ( not those arab inbred seyyeds) are copassionate and we want to have peacefull co-existence with the rest of the world.

When it comes to Iran, it would not matter

what is the rule of law, if Iranians do it, it would be in violation of some thing and if there is no law against it, then they will create one and if they can not create one, then they will make up one and keep repeating it till it becomes the accepted fact.

Mehrdad