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The reason I'm not answering...

It's always something, isn't it?

Remember how I used to call you an IRI supporter and everyone used to gang up on me to say I was imaging things? You notice how that doesn't happen any more? :D

Mr. Craig

My reply was to second Ms. Little Tweet's comment on this one from Mr. mahmoudg:

by mahmoudg on Mon Aug 03, 2009 07:04 AM PDT

Can't have the cake and eat it too. 
If people dislike a war with Iran, then sanctions would be the other
way to go.  The world will not sit back and see the pariah regime
in Iran continue on its current path.  We need to support one or the
other.

-YT 

On sanctions: (& a bit more on Fred)

I guess I should add, due to the length and 'passion' of my comment below, that I am against sanctions but I don't like to participate in these discussions because I don't really understand the economics and nuances of the politics behind them and there are people far better qualified than me to discuss them.

I also feel that the issue of sanctions among the expat Green movement will be the most potentially divisive, because although I am against them, there seem to be meritworthy arguments on both sides, so the discussions are very important within the movement.

Between people within the movement and those outside of it, there are underlying ideological issues which at present time are probably irreconcilable, but if there is any hope of reaching an understanding on the sanction, the underlying issues would have to be addressed first.

Which is why I tried to open up the discussion with Fred on the validity and place of the Left in Iranian politics on the Dabashi thread, since he voiced his opinion that the Left was a necessary counterbalance to the right in a democracy. However, although this is my exact viewpoint and main ideological stance as a moderate Socialist, he completely dismissed me as a 'Lefty' (meaning pseudo, apologist, for him.)  instead of a LeftIST (valid stance for him..), didn't hear a word I said, totally disregarded my fairly well-known work on human rights in Iran here (SCE and labor movement in particular) and then proceeded to regularly start calling me a...you guessed it.

Anyhow I don't think this comment needs a reply. I think most people here get me on it. As for the Left issue in general, I am working on a post on it on the currently most discussed thread on Samsam's blog. So I don't really want to get into it here.

Take care,

r.

capt_ayhab

I was replying to this thing here that you said:

that is called TREASON, to side with any other country or organization against ones owncountry. No matter what.

Q and Jaleho have both side with the Islamic Republic, against the United States. Jaleho has done it openly, and Q has done it on the sly.

Jalho says she is American. And says it proudly. Q won't answer that question, but I guess we can assume he is American.

So, did you mean it when you said "no matter what"?

I'm not asking about whether or not the US would charge them with treason. We both know that isn't going to happen. I'm asking you to clarify your position. Because I think we both know that the islamic Republic WOULD charge a lot of the people on this website with treason. The IRI would probably charge MOST of the people on this website with treason, for things they ahve said in the last couple of months. And it kinda looks like you are saying that's what they deserve?

What am I missing?

Craig

Last I checked, US constitution protects freedom of speech, however distasteful it might be.

Even though I am in total disagreement with Mr. Q's political stance, I do not see him having said or done anything that can be construed as treason to US. Do you?

-YT 

LOL, Craig

I did answer your question. So go ahead and do your worst. I could use a good laugh.

capt_ayhab

Waiting for a verdict from you as to whether or not it would be appropriate for the US to charge Q and Jeloho with treason?

A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice. Testimonials about their conduct and character are for an impartial jury to hear.

Or is it only treason when Iranian-Americans act against the interests of the Islamic Republic? Because, it seems like Iranians who have US citizenship and choose to live and work in the US have a higher obligation to the US than they do to Iran. Do you disagree?

What are you going to do

What are you going to do about it?

I'm not going to do anything about it, Q. You are doing it for me. When so many enemies of the west end up in the west via student visas, it's very hard to tell westerners that western universities don't need to be vigilant when screening applications. And since your post here is just a big whine about Iranian students being discrimated against I think it's very fitting that most of the people who have commented here are potentially dangerous Iranians who took advantage student programs in the past.

So, keep talking Q. And Mola. And Jello. Let today's Iranian students see how much they owe previous generations of Iranian students who came to the west. 

And Q... you didn't answer teh question. Are you American?

Oostad: I think That is the

Oostad: I think That is the whole rationale behind sanctions: to let people's dissatisfaction to reach a critical mass so they will have no choice but to topple the incompetent rulers.

Rigt Fred?

Ostaad, I believe the process goes like this

This theory has already been published here:
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gnomes_plan.png

1. Collect underpants
2. ???
3. Profit

Fred, are you saying...

"total sanction" will bring the regime down, without bringing economic misery to millions of Iranians now and way ito the future???

Well, how do you think this will happen? Can you be specific?

ex programmer, yes I came with a fake student visa

Back then, nobody checked visas, so I came in very easily for free. I just told Pan Am, I forgot my ticket and they let me on the flight.

Then, I overstayed my visa and never got a Green card and have been living illegally and getting lucretive jobs without paying taxes but I continue to hold on to my Iranian citizenship.

I use public emergency rooms as my second home and get the best health care in the world for free. I got three Ph.D.s and a DDV all paid for by public funds.

I lobbied for universal health care and believe complete government control. Now that we have a President who was also an illegal Kenyan immigrant, we're going to tear down the borders and allow any visitor straight citizenship, no questions asked.

My extended family and all my friends are currently waiting in a FEMA camp ready to take advantage of the freedoms in the US.

What are you going to do about it?

:p

Jello and Q

How bout you two? You arrived on student visas?

Mole

To you it maybe all fun and entertainment but it's different for the
young Iranian students who are looking for an opportunity to study abroad and create a better future for themselves.

Is that how you infiltarted the west? With a student visa? Because, it seems to me that you might ant to shut the f@$ up about that if you are serious about supporting the wishes of Iranian students to study abroad. Know what I'm saying? :p

Ayhab & Q

Q, look at the bright side! Your boy AJ got endorsed by the big cheese today.

That is putting it mildly Ms. Little Big Tweet, that is called TREASON,
to side with any other country or organization against ones own
country. No matter what.

That's good to know. So you support it if the United States prosecutes Jaleho the proud American for treason?  How about Q? Is he American?

Are you American, Q?

Kamel, it is not all fun and entertainment, Fred consistently/PS

trivializes anyone who is not completely against the immediate overthrow of the Islamic Republic tomorrow for some theoretical secular parliamentary democracy that can't come into being without civil war and/or massive foreign intervention on his time line, always using the same exact terminology he used below, which everyone , and definitely Q who posted this item knows, and it always includes these days an Islamist wedding photographer, and everyone except apparently you here almost definitely knows that my comment and the photo are as valid a way as any of discrediting, through sarcasm, his constant sarcastic characterizations of anyone who disagrees with him (including btw and MOST OF ALL you and your 'ideological counterparts'-the two or three you have left here..)

______________

PS You go into my tracking and take a look at the number and content of my news contributions since June 12, along with my (sometimes extensive) commentary on them, then track my other comments..then count the percentage of YOUR contributions which weren't about Israel (what 5%?. and then give us all a report about it before you start shooting your mouth off about me trivializing the situation. You're making an a-s of yourself again, aren't you supposed to be a c-m-l?

Ms Manners, engage with the subject at hand or..

To you it maybe all fun and entertainment but it's different for the young Iranian students who are looking for an opportunity to study abroad and create a better future for themselves. If you have anything of value to add to this conversation you are welcome otherwise, there's always Utube! 

Fred, what is this obsession of yours...

with Islamist wedding photographers?

//3.bp.blogspot.com/_zENuDflPejY/SAUMkiZRPPI/AAAAAAAABj4/KnZAPuSWlvA/s320/burqa+brides%5B1%5D.jpg

"pride nor courage TOF!"

That is putting it mildly Ms. Little Big Tweet, that is called TREASON, to side with any other country or organization against ones own country. No matter what.

-YT 

Iran and Iranians will survive, with sanctions or without it!

Fred The Zionist lacky is at it again, spewing hatred and violence as soon as he hears somebody criticizes his beloved country Israel. What can you expect from somebody who opens his umbrella when it rains in Tel Aviv. He prescribes war and destruction as usual.

Iran and Iranians will survive. Iranians have survived many disasters during their long glorifed history and a shit of a country like Israel will not be able to bring her down. The day will come when Americans will wake up and kick Israeli lackies out of their political system and free themselved from the Zionists destructive influence in their lives. I do believe in that and can't wait to see that day. 

Two choices: "sanctions or war"

Supposed "Iranians" siding with "the world" (aka AIPAC) against other already oppressed Iranians. That's neithor pride nor courage. TOF!

either sanctions or war

Can't have the cake and eat it too.  If people dislike a war with Iran, then sanctions would be the other way to go.  The world will not sit back and see the pariah regime in Iran continue on its current path.  We need to support one or the other.

Aghaye Q

Please do not dirty your blood by conversing to fascists.

First thigs first

As soon as the barbarian Islamist cutthroats are out not only Swedes, the rest of the civilized world will be lining up to beg to have super-bright Iranian students attend their cash starved Universities.

For the time being in order to have any not yet tortured, raped, murdered Iranian students left to study and rebuild the devastated country which is the legacy of the Islamists, all efforts and attentions must be focused on kicking the Islamist cutthroats out.

And to the aged Islamist wedding photographer who cannot compose a coherent sentence without throwing an AIPAC/ Israel or some connection to the Jews in it.  Yes even your nemesis will be vying even harder to stay in the good graces of Iranian people and its vast influence and connection will open many doors and opportunities for emancipated allied Iranians.

 And that is heck of a lot more than what your Islamist baggage of Syria, Hezbollah, Sudan, HAMAS and a long list of freeloaders have had to offer Iranians. Now do some more of your typical Islamist demagoguery, you know you want to.

Anything to escape responsibility, right Fred?

Sure, poor kids' dormitories attacked, they are now also barred from Swedish Universities.

Fred jan, is this the kind of "help" you and AIPAC have in mind when you wholeheartedly endorse sanctions?

You can try your usual personal attacks and change the subject if it makes you feel better, but you're not fooling anyone.

Total sanction

A great start for the concerned Islamists would be to ask their rabid brethrens to stop raiding Iranian students’ dormitories in the middle of the night, kidnapping, raping, torturing and murdering them.

There is no shame with the Islamists/Anti-Semites and their likeminded lefty allies including their aged Islamist wedding photographers. to quicken the overthrow of this Islamist cutthroats republic total sanction needs to be implemented.