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El Capitan

Would you not rather unite under something a little more global?  Say, "Freedome for the World"?  Are we exclusive of every other nationality?  Are we defined by only being Iranian, not Human?  I'm sure you're referring to participation on this site, but this site is a microscopic place and time.  :-)

sepas 

Indeed

Indeed che khabare jan,

Let us hope that we all rise above our pity differences[of which I am as guilty] and unite under one name and one goal; Iran,,,, Free.

Regards

-YT 

Then let us hope that

Then let us hope that everyone will practice these good manners, shall we?

sepas

che khabar e

they are not my rules, just simple mannerism.

-YT 

YT

Well, I don't want to be accused of not playing nice.  :-)  From my fairly recent observations, it doesn't seem like your rule is followed by everyone. :-)

Abarmard

The sanctions proposed are for IMPORTING fuel[gasoline] TO Iran and not vice verse.

Iran does in fact IMPORT fuel[gasoline] since the refineries are rather old and are operating to full capacity, and yet there are shortage of fuel[gasoline] in Iran.

They ship the crude oil to refineries in India, Turkey and else where and import them back refined in form of gasoline.

-YT 

Important NOTE

It's not Oil sanction but rather petrochemical products. Something that  worried the West about Shah (also).

This would happen even if Iran would do anything that the West wants. In the eyes of the Western governments, it's too dangerous for Iran to export products rather than Raw oil.

Captain, Yes and No

Yes, president Obama did extend the sanctions earlier this year but he has not Okayed new sanctions such as fuel import sanction and that's what I meant. the Outlook for Iranian people does not look good as far as the sanctions are concerned. Pressure is building on him and we don't know when he'd bent under the pressure from the Zionist supporters in both houses.

I am against any sanctions that distrupts people's lives as it has been the case for the Iraqi and Palestinian people. Thanks for posting this news item at a time when emotions are running high and clouding many people's judgement. 

Mola Khan

Mr. Obama in fact renewed the sanctions which were put in place by Mr. Clinton earlier this year.

But I must agree with you in regards to AIPAC lobby group's role in this series of sanction. IR imports fuel in order to subsidize pump prices for ordinary consumers. As a result sanction is not going to hurt the IR system, and only will hurt consumers and ordinary people.

-YT 

P/S I have heard that Iran imports close to 20% of her fuel. Can anyone correct me?

When Makhmalbaaf BEGS EU for sanctions

the DIRT is called a hero, but when the same request is made by Berman, it is called AIPAC meddling?!

At least Fred doesn't change his opinion because different NAMES ask for the same DIRTY policy. Some Iranians who don't even know the CONTENT of  policy suggested by different people, can worship one and hate the other who advocate EXACTLY the same policy!

che khabar e

Sanction and boycott are two different concept. Boycott is a consumer activism, to demonstrate disapproval and grievance about a company's product or service. Much like a political action.

Sanction is penalties imposed to a country to suffocate and starve in order achieve an economic and or political dominance. The entire nation is targeted by sanctions.

-YT 

P/S Let us refrain from naming people who are not present at the thread.[Gheiybat kardan khub nist] ;-)

Wrong Again! Obama is not pushing for sanctions, Zionists are..

President Obama is the only obstacle on their way. They are laughing and congradulating themselves by saying gleefully:

"We may not have the cooperation of The White House, but we have both houses of congress in our back pocket!". President Obama declared during his candidacy: "supporting Israel does not mean agreeing with what Likude Party dictates". The foreign Minister of Israel moved from Russia to Palestine in 1970's and now is pushing for the expulsion of the natives from their land. It's outrageous!

President Obama gets it. He "FEELS" the pains of Muslims, he has Muslim blood in him. he is not pretending when he sends his Norooz message to Iranians. As Jesse Jackson useD to say: "keep hope alive" and President Obama is our only hope.

There are actually THREE words, Q.

There's also divestment. And here's what I don't understand:

If a government imposes sanctions on a country, that goes BOTH ways, right? It's on both selling them things and buying things from them, right? And it covers both the public and the private sectors, right? (so for example it could extend to no bonds, loans, etc). I also understand that the sanctions are specific, could be limited or very comprehensive, and that's what Obama is threatening now, although he is only talking about fuel now. I don't think the existing sanctions cover say buying caviar or carpets or selling apple pie, right? But it theoretically could, right? I know there are sanctions against selling military equipment, I think that may be related to why the airplanes can't get the parts they need.

Anyway, so. When a government imposes strict sanctions, that would extend to the entire private sector, right? In all the areas where the trade was forbidden, right?

So then where would divestment come in? Divestment isn't about buying and selling, right? It's aboutt removing your INVESTMENTS in companies or projects in a certain country. So, if there were sanctions here against Iran, that would not cover the divestment issue? In other words, the existing investments would remain, the government cannot mandate people or companies to divest?

And a corollary question: were there sanctions as well as divestment imposed on Soath Africa?

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I understand that boycotts come from individuals, whether they are boycotting one company like Nokia, or all the companies of a particular country. I believe that an individual or a company could choose to divest their investments from say Nokia or the companies in a particular country as part of a general boycott, right?

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Thank you, anyone who could clarify this for me.

che kahabar, the difference is choice:

Since I see you are new to the site, please allow me to clarify,

Even though, I don't think the Nokia/Siemens boycott is particularly effective or a good idea, but even I can see the difference between it and sanctioning iran's fuel imports.

When a national sanction against a whole country (75 Million people) is enacted, the results are disasterous because there is no choice. No alternative exists so all people (except the very wealthy) will suffer harrandously. If you need more evidence, see Iraq 1992-2003: half a million dead children, none of them Saddam's.

When a company like Nokia is boycotted, the consumers have plenty of choice, and that is the point of such a boycott. No other phone company is effected.

Even the employees of Siemens/Nokia (an insignificant number compared to 75M Iranians) have a choice in the open job market ultimately. Besides, unless you are a hypocrite, if you're going argue that families of employees suffer, you must equally defend families of IRI employees which means you too should be against sanctions.

Boycotts are not international sanctions. That's part of the reason two different words are used.

I hope the difference is now clear to you.

I've never understood the difference

Everyone is wanting everyone else to boycott siemens or nokia because of different reasons.  The answer from everyone seems to be "sanctions against Iran hurts Iranians".  Well, doesn't sanction (boycott) against a company hurt those who work for it?  They have families and bills to pay too.  I wish someone could explain it without getting nasty.  I remember this was exactly the argument IRANdokht used againt attacking the nuke sites.  Or the IRI.  EVERYONE has families.  What makes it different when West tries to sanction the IRI?

Fred, you alone...

complete the amen corner herd.

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't

fool all of the people all of the time. Supporters of the racist/facist regime of Israel in USA are dime a dozen but when somebody is the chairman of a US house comittee there's a reason for concern. the same people who pushed for sanctions that killed half million Iraqi children due to lack of clean water and medicine are pushing for more sanctions against Iranian people. We know better.  

Islamist caucus

As soon as tweedledum arrives your Islamist caucus will have quorum.

Fred, dear...

Iran does not import fuel just for the "Islamists". Fuel is used by ALL Iranians to go to work and work, if they're making a living in the transportation industry. More sanctions have and will negatively affect precisely those Iranians who are standing up to the regime by making them more dependent on the rationed fuel, which the regime has to dole out in exchange for their complying with its diktat.

Are you so anti-Iran that even such a simple rationale is hard for you to fathom?!!! You keep showing your loyalties to Iran's enemies and I don't know why I even bother to point that out!

Yes, Fred because only "Islamists" will suffer

by sanctions.

Fred jan, a while ago while calling yourself "pro-AIPAC" you stated the position that AIPAC cares for Iranians. I never believed it, but if you have any integrity (not holding breath) you would take that back.

Howard Berman: "Even before I was a Democrat, I was a Zionist."

1. According to Wikipedia Berman is a strong supporter of Israel, telling the Jewish newspaper, The Forward after being appointed Chairman of the United States House Committee on Foreign Affairs, "Even before I was a Democrat, I was a Zionist."

2. Again according to Wikipedia Berman voted in support of the invasion of Iraq in both 1991 and 2003. //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Berman

Conclusion: When Israel speaks, Howard Berman listens. He has started the same procedure for sanctions that lead to the occupation of Iraq.

No fuel for Islamists

What in the name of reason is Congress waiting for? Tighten the sanctions so tight that  even the slimiest of the slimy Islamists can’t go around it.

 Every drop of fuel denied the Islamists is a drop less used to fuel their roaming motorcycle riding thugs who maim and murder Iranians.