Iranian planes and hidden toll of sanctions
aljazeera/afshi rattansi
22-Jul-2009 (6 comments)

It’s too early to tell the reason for the midday plane crash on 15 July in Janat-Abad near the former capital of the Persian Empire, northwest of Tehran. All 168 people on board were killed in Qazvin province and there is an inquiry underway. One thing is sure, though. It wasn’t fired on by the U.S .military which, some twenty-one years ago, shot down flight IR655, killing 290 people, including 66 children...Sanctions currently prevent U.S. citizens from doing business with Iran and there is also a total ban on selling U.S. aircraft and repair parts to Iranian aviation companies and that includes U.S.-made components in Russian aircraft such as the Caspian Airlines Tupolev TU-154M. Some five years ago, the Iranian Transport Minister, Ahmad Khorram, claimed Iran’s aviation sector was at “crisis point.” Back then, more than one hundred perished in a similar plane and three hundred then perished in an air-disaster in 2003. At the end of 2006, the head of Russian aviation company, Sukhoi, said that deals with Iran were hitting road-blocks as the U.S. Department of State complained about perceived violations of Bill Clinton’s Iran Non-Proliferation Act. That Act bars the re-exporting of U.S. made components to Iran. Sukhoi's civil aircraft chief Viktor Subbotin said that "If the sanctions are switched fully on, everything will stop."

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rosie is roxy is roshan

For whom the sanctions toll

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Wed Jul 22, 2009 09:01 AM PDT

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Of course the relationship between US sanctions and the crash is anything but conclusive. Not that they said it was. Well, except for maybe the title...well, no, just strongly implied...At the beginning they were surprisingly reticent about the demonstrations. In fact their coverage seemed sparser than other publications. Maybe they were trying to figure it all out.  Since then, they have even published several documentaries on their series People and Power that were very favorable to the movement. They were careful however to avoid the question of foregn influence or at least not to answer it. Now this article is the old aljazeera we all know and love. Marg bar Amrikaa.

(No, I'm not in favor of sanctions).



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ex programmer craig

che khabar e

by ex programmer craig on Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT

Yes, I agree. In my opinion the US has no choice but to keep in place (American) unilateral sanctions that went into effect after the hostage crisis. That matter has never been resolved. Diplomatic and economic ties on a state-to-state level should not be restored until it is. I don't even view it as "sanctions", really. It seems more like the logical result of such actions.

As far as other countries sanctioning Iran, I'm generally opposed to sanctions. I think they cause suffering and fail to produce the intended result.

 


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che khabar e

Ex

by che khabar e on Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:06 AM PDT

I see that you're the type to cut right through the bullshit.  :-)  Good on you!  I've read and read and read on the sanctions and still don't have a firm opinion.  I'm opposed on moral grounds but supportive on the political level.  But I would have to agree that it certainly hasn't made much difference!  I think it's a matter of face at this point.  If Obama gives in to any of AN's "demands", he's going to lose face.  And I don't want to give AN one single thing to gloat about.


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rosie is roxy is roshan

CK, exPC,

by rosie is roxy is roshan on Wed Jul 22, 2009 07:00 PM PDT

CK, I know that sanctions is a thorny issue. It has been discussed ad infinitum and never has anyone budged an inch, to my recollection. Frankly I go by instinct on this one, and I remain against, deferring to others to argue the fine points (and probably get nowhere again). One thing I know is that Iran is neither Iraq nor South Africa--sanctions, divestment. And my instinct is that these actions would neither hurt as much as they did in Iraq nor help as much as they did in South Africa.

Another thing I know is that the sanctions could be the issue which would threaten the unprecedented and rather tenuous center-Left coalition (as I call it) which has been formed here onsite  in support of the green movement. Don't think it'll have such an impact on the 'wave' in Iran though..have a feeling they'll almost all just blame Mahmood and his friends, pretty much like you, you anti-Iranian, you. lol

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exPC, I'm sure you're not asking me about the plane parts (I'm not a tomboy, I don't know how to fix a plane lol ). But I can tell you you read correctly. I can also tell you that there are many people here who know about planes and a while back there was a highly discussed thread about them. I thiiiiiink Abarmard was on it...maybe one of those people will happen along to dispel or share your dismay.


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ex programmer craig

What?

by ex programmer craig on Wed Jul 22, 2009 06:22 PM PDT

...that includes U.S.-made components in Russian aircraft such as the Caspian Airlines Tupolev TU-154M

US made parts for RUSSIAN aircraft is the problem? Isn't the reason Iran started buying Russian planes (which are shit and have always been shit) in the first place, so that they didn't have to rely on American made spares? And now one of these shit Russian planes crashed, and it's still because the US didn't provide spares for a shitty Russian plane that the shitty Russians should have been providing?

Am I too retarded to read that properly or something? 

 


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che khabar e

well, i'm not so sure I agree

by che khabar e on Wed Jul 22, 2009 04:35 PM PDT

I'm not absolutely positively sure I'm against sanctions.  There was a reason for it and we have not done anything to releeve the tension on our end.  Yah, I know I'm going to get clobbered and be called all sorts of things, like "not a real Iranian", but tough.  I have my opinion and it's my opinion that AN is using the sanction as a bargaining chip to keep Iranians anti-western.  the IRI does not cooperate and it's causing hardship on our PEOPLE!!!!  this is not Obama's fault.  It is the IRI's fault. 


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