Iran to US: 'It's a culture thing'
Asia Times / Shahir Shahidsaless
14-May-2009 (14 comments)

Although parts of the Iranian government, even at the highest ranks (for example Hashemi Rafsanjani, chairman of the Assembly of Exports and head of the Expediency Discernment Council) is favorable to opening a dialogue with the US. They are also hesitant and appear perplexed by one troubling question: would establishing relations with the US provide an opportunity to the pro-Western elements - as they are called by the government - to rise and possibly challenge their authority? American culture has benefited from an unprecedented level of capital and technology during the globalization process. Part of this culture, such as pop and rock music, Hollywood and clothing brands such as Gap, is seeping into Iranian society. Numerous Persian satellite television stations broadcast Hollywood movies, fashion and relations between young men and women, which are symbols of moral corruption in the eyes of the ruling power and its traditional religious supporters. But they are seen as symbols of freedom and modernity in the minds of a sizable and undeniable section of urban Iranian society.

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Iranians cannot be forced to

by u571 (not verified) on

Iranians cannot be forced to think, act or behave like North Koreans or even Saudis!


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by goodvin (not verified) on

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MEHRNAZ SHAHABI

Which Western Values?!

by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on

As if there is a unitary fixed set of values and the West as a whole adheres to them.  What a load of dumb baloney!  If the author is referring to values of democracy, human rights, trades union rights, women's rights, minority rights, etc, those have been achieved through struggles which are continuing today between social forces in the West, particularly so at this time of economic downturn. The myth of a fixed and universally approved set of values is laughed at by Westerners themselves.  These concepts are continuously fought for and negotiated, as the state of trades unions rights in Britain, for example, demonstrates. Respect for women's rights and civil rights and liberties is not out of some generosity of hearts or commonly shared, they stand and titter on a delicate balance of power between social forces.  To say people in Iran and in the larger Middle East are opposed to these values, and herein lies their resistance to Western military and cultural invasions, stenches of familiar cynicism and can only be shared by some bisavads and nokars who frequent this website too.

As for colonial values of racism, theft, plunder, division making, mass genocide, dropping atom bombs, agro-business, water-boarding, coups, military industrial complexes, ethnic cleansing ... yes, we reject them.   


Dan Huck

The battle is for the enslavement of our children. Iran is right

by Dan Huck on

As an ordinary American from a Catholic background, I can agree with Iranian leadership there is a fierce battle going on between Western modernity and traditional values. Western cultural leadership appears to believe "traditional religious beliefs (are)... equivalent to backwardness and fanaticism". That, to me, is simply a smokescreen to divert attention from a truer goal of more efficient psychological domination of individuals by eliminating the competition.
This 'battle' is less the West vs Islam than Imposed Ignorance (politically correct godless, non-judgemental modernity) vs traditional values.
To me, it appears the leaders of my community want to insist I adjust to, and accept, their viewpoint whole, without a chance to reject their ideas.
"Soft toppling" and "cultural aggression" are on-going processes in Western societies as well.
The leaders of Iran are on to something even bigger than they might imagine. The collaboration you imagine could conceivably expand into a very useful discussion that might help all societies deal with difficult social problems more successfully.
Perhaps we Westerners should try a lot harder to bring problem areas such as drugs, pornography, sex slavery, the denigration of religion and other issues of concern to us much more effectively to the forefront of our public discourse. It may be traditional media are falling by the wayside because they are seen too often as  supporters of the forces in society who would destroy the proper and effective use of traditional values and religion.
If the Pope had a chance to visit Iran and talk about these issues, I bet he'd jump at the opportunity!


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The battle is for the enslavement of our children. Iran is right

by Dan Huck (not verified) on

As an ordinary American from a Catholic background, I can agree with Iranian leadership there is a fierce battle going on between Western modernity and traditional values. Western cultural leadership appears to believe "traditional religious beliefs (are)... equivalent to backwardness and fanaticism". That, to me, is simply a smokescreen to divert attention from a truer goal of more efficient psychological domination of individuals by eliminating the competition.
This 'battle' is less the West vs Islam than Imposed Ignorance (politically correct godless, non-judgemental modernity) vs traditional values.
To me, it appears the leaders of my community want to insist I adjust to, and accept, their viewpoint whole, without a chance to reject their ideas.
"Soft toppling" and "cultural aggression" are on-going processes in Western societies as well.
The leaders of Iran are on to something even bigger than they might imagine. The collaboration you imagine could conceivably expand into a very useful discussion that might help all societies deal with difficult social problems more successfully.
Perhaps we Westerners should try a lot harder to bring problem areas such as drugs, pornography, sex slavery, the denigration of religion and other issues of concern to us much more effectively to the forefront of our public discourse. It may be traditional media are falling by the wayside because they are seen too often as supporters of the forces in society who would destroy the proper and effective use of traditional values and religion.
If the Pope had a chance to visit Iran and talk about these issues, I bet he'd jump at the opportunity!


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Oh right Western Values - give us a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymous-2 (not verified) on

Oh that tireless slogan "They hate us for our Democracy, freedom and values" - not so! The US foreign policy has shown the ugly face of what America does to the people of the Middle East.

They're currently occupying two Muslim countries. They're killing civilians regularly (as usual) -- with airplanes and unmanned sky robots. They're imprisoning tens of thousands of Muslims with no trial, for years. The US government continues to insist that it has the power to abduct people -- virtually all Muslim -- ship them to Bagram, put them in cages, and keep them there indefinitely with no charges of any kind. They're denying our torture victims any ability to obtain justice for what was done to them by insisting that the way we tortured them is a state secret and that we need to look to the future. We provide Israel with the arms and money used to do things like devastate Gaza. Independent of whether any or all of these policies are justifiable, the extent to which those actions inflame anti-American sentiment is impossible to overstate.

You call these American values and this is just the tip of the iceburg? This is disgraceful!


Ostaad

The US government has never tried to bring Western values...

by Ostaad on

such as democracy, human rights and rule of law to the ME, as Amused has pointed out. The only thing the US government and the elite is interested in are having unlimited influence in Iran and complete hegemony in the entire region.

Western values, my buttocks.


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It IS a Culture Thing..

by IranFirst (not verified) on

Between the culture of the Arab rulers of Iran and their few savage supporters and the rest of the Iranians and the civilized world


Farhad Kashani

THE ROOT CAUSE NEWS  

by Farhad Kashani on

THE ROOT CAUSE NEWS

 

The root causes are the following:

 

-         IRI officials’ traditionalist and conservative traits of religiousness, stubbornness and thugness.

-         IRIs ideologues like Khomeini and others’ belief in a worldwide Islamic uprising that will take over the world. All tools, including extreme violence, is justified in achieving that goal.

-         IRI viewing the U.S as the center of cultural corruptness, and on the other hand, biggest obstacle in their path of taking over the world.

-         Obsession with the U.S, even the hate-obsession type.

   


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Even in Saudi Arabia

by Traditional Saudi (not verified) on


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Fantstic article!

by SmartAss (not verified) on

I think the write is very much spot on! I think if we understood what he is describing here, we'd be in FAR better shape!


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Such a baloney of a demand!

by Amused (not verified) on

"However, given that the Americans' push for spreading Western values seems an inseparable characteristic of its culture while the Iranian government and its conservative supporters interpret this cultural infiltration as nothing but a plot to softly topple the regime, how could such collaboration ever be shaped? "

I don't know why some backward tyrannical Arab states which also remain as America's closest allies such as Saudi Arabia do not feel threatened by this cultrual infiltration and spread of Westernized values of civil rights, democracy, etc.!!

"Although never discussed explicitly, this is one of the main - if not the main - obstacles that divides the two sides and makes peace difficult to attain. The question remains how the US in the President Barack Obama era can conceive assurances to alleviate the Iranian government's concerns that not only hard but soft toppling is also off the table. "

It is not only in Obama's but also in noboy else's power or control to give such a a BS guarantee to mullahs to stop the spread of western values into Iran unless mullahs turn Iran into another North Korea. The most Obama could do would be to shut down Voice of America and RadioFarda.

Yet, Iranians cannot be forced to think, act or behave like North Koreans or even Saudis!!!! They had the progressive Constitutional revolution 100 years ago without RadioFarda, VOA or satellite dish, why do mullahs think they can turn the clock back by Obama's guarantee?!

Mullahs have been trying to keep iranians inside in complete darkness and ignorance all these years, but they themselves know that they have FAILED big time and it has nothing to do with America or Western values.


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Iran and US are not

by Constitutionalist II (not verified) on

Iran and US are not enemies.

Never have and never will fight one another.

The US has helped solidify the mullahs. The 1979 devolution was just another US coop of Iran's government.

Show me one case where the US, especially during Reagan, Bush I and Bush II have fought the mullahs.

Its all a media charade.

The majority of the people of Iran are the real losers.