US Guantanamo guard converts to Islam
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14-Apr-2009 (21 comments)
capt_ayhab

Ironic

by capt_ayhab on

As the US government moves to shutdown its detention centre at Guantanamo Bay, stories are emerging of the way it affected those inside. Former inmates have talked about the deprivation and pressures they faced. But Terry Holdbrooks was on the other side. He was a US soldier and he says he saw something in the behavior of the inmates that changed him. He tells his story to Al Jazeera in his own words.


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anonymous fish

just one of your many mistakes

by anonymous fish on

Q... but don't worry.  we're used to it.  :-))


Q

my mistake anonymous fish,

by Q on

I should have known that nothing you say is fact. So, yes, from now on when you make a statement like "there is zero evidence..." I will assume it's just your opinion. Most people can distinguish between facts and opinions, but yours is all opinion. Fine.

It's a great defense by the way, never having to take responsibility for anything, even in the face of real facts. But whatever works for you.


Red Wine

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by Red Wine on

اين يارو مغز خورده كه رفته مسلمون شده...چقدر خريت.


anonymous fish

q

by anonymous fish on

everyone has an opinion.  you're certainly entitled to yours.  you obviously run in different circles than educated white woman.  :-)

ps.   "the more wrong..." ???  lol


Q

LOL anonymous fish,

by Q on

Dear anonymous fish,

I have made the humble observation that the more definitive the statements you make, the more wrong you usually are. No offense.

there is ZERO proof that any religion is the fastest growing

This is wrong factually and logically. One religion has to be the fastest growing and it's actually impossible for there to be "zero" proof of that.

The 2008 ARIS survey is probably the kind of proof you want. Read it here, the table on page 5 (Table 3), clearly demonstrates that Islam has doubled (100% growth) from 1990 to 2008. No other religion has even close to this performance.
//www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/reports...

Now when this survey came out, it received wide publicity and was written about in USA Today and other media outlets. I believe there was quite a bit of politics that was played with the headlines which nearly universally read: "No-religion is the fastest growing religion in America." There is not any doubt in my mind that this was done just to avoid saying that Islam is the fastest growing religion. However their numbers easily demonstrate this.

First of all "no-religion" is not "a religion".

Second, they only got that number by combining a few categories. I believe their calculation was done by combining "no religion" with "atheist" and "agnostic" numbers. These were not seperate categories in the survey and the lack of definition. difficult to imagine that people mean the same exact thing.

To be sure "no religion" respondents had grown considerabely (from 8.2% to 15%) but that's still less than Islam. However, if you combine the "no religion" answers with "atheists" and "agnostics" the three of them combined have made over 100% growth.

But no one can dispute that in America Islam has seen the fastest rise compared to Christianity and Judaism and other Asian religions.

It's all on Table 3 / page 5
//www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/reports...

I hope this qualifies as "proof" certainly greater than zero for ya!

Also:

but conversion based on these very particular and specific conditions. no.

Ever heard of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ?


anonymous fish

there is ZERO proof that any religion

by anonymous fish on

is the fastest growing, much less islam.  any religion can and DOES claim virtually the same thing.

//www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_to_be_the_fastest_growing_religion

i find it ludicrous to believe someone will convert to a religion... ANY religion... based on experiences at gitmo.  was he emotionally changed by his experience?  certainly.  did he see something inspiring about SOME detainees?  for sure.  but conversion based on these very particular and specific conditions.  no.  it doesn't happen that way.  it would be interesting to know some dates of his converstion... when did it take place... when was this video shot... and where he'll be in 5 years. 

i'm curious where the statistical proof is that white educated females are flocking to islam comes from.  not from any white educated females i know.

captain.  please don't take this as anti-muslim.  it's not.  certainly not any more so than your being or not being anti-semitic with all your criticisms and blogs of israel.


capt_ayhab

Asdolla

by capt_ayhab on

Dude you really must be paranoid to the point of astonishment. Not to mention totally ignorant.

you say[Islam, it is only a one way street. You can join, but you can't quit!
There is a good chance that they come after you and kill you as an
infedel. Mady are detered by this and don't leave.]

I am wondering where do you get these information. Unless you provide a shred of evidence regarding your stupid claim I must assume that you have come up with these [Mozakhrafat] while you were hallucinating and wetting your knickers while watching shows like this from Faux's self-proclaimed prophet Glen Beck and his kind:

Get real dude and get over your fears.

 

-YT


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Yeah and they want an exact duplicate of IR in their own country

by LOL (not verified) on

Yeah right! and pretty soon some shady network as reputable as Aljazeera will annouce that IRI style government is very well liked across the world and people en masse want to replicate it in their own countries and have "Magham e mo'azzem a rahbari" as their undisputable life-long leader.


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TO Asdolla

by islamquestion (not verified) on

You must be really ignorant.

First of all, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US by conversion, not by birth. It is growing based on educated white females embarassing the religion in large numbers.

1) If you want to go by babies in the US, Mormons produce the most babies per capita

2) If you want to go with the most money spent in prostelyzing, then Mormons win again, as do evangelical Christians

However, despite this, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the US based on conversion alone.

and by the way, in the US no one hunts you down if you leave the religion. Leaving the religion has never gotton anyone killed (you are an Iranian that probably left Islam, has anyone come knocking on your door to kill you? You must be really stupid then)

Even in Iran, thousands upon thousands have left the religion, yet the government doesn't go after them.

It is when you write books slandering the Prophet (S) then it becomes an issue. If you write a book critical to Islam, then no one cares (plenty have written books critical of Islam, or against Islam, and they are fine....it is people like Salman Rushdie who just wrote fake and false things about the Prophet (S) that got people upset)

So you need to have a reality check buddy.

If people were to kill you for leaving islam, then they would have targetted you first, and not random converts in the US.

And plenty of african americans have left islam after embracing it in prisons. No one goes after that.

Get a reality check. You guys live in a imaginary world where Islam and Muslims are dragons and you guys are all MAZLOOM. Give me a break.


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To whatisislam

by Farzad1 (not verified) on

You say "Islam is the fastest growing religion especially amongst educated women in the United States. 50 years ago the main constituency was African Americans, but now it is White Educated Females.", show us proof I haven't seen a single white female (never mind educated) that thinks highly of Islam. People in Muslim countries, especially Iran, are bracing other religions because Islam is no longer the answer to their problems. You say Iran and Saudi don't represent Islam, then which country represents Islam? Is it Somalia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, .... Where is this Islam that you preach? Is it only in your imagination? One last thing, this idiot convert was taught by a wahabi the wahabi version of Islam. I don't believe you approve of this version of Muslims. Please take your BS and post it on a different web site, no one here buys your gibberish.


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Reason for the fast growth

by Asdolla (not verified) on

People are always giving up one religion for another. With Islam, it is only a one way street. You can join, but you can't quit! There is a good chance that they come after you and kill you as an infedel. Mady are detered by this and don't leave.

Another reason for growth of Islam is all the babies muslim mother in the muslim countries, just about all 3rd world countries, give birth too. The population increases three times of the West.
That's how the number of Muslems increases, not by people signing up!!!


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Why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?

by Anonymous erooni (not verified) on

Islam fulfills every human needs.It gives you a sense of oneness with other humans.It give a person a sense of pride since the person feels a part of a religion that is compromised of 1.5 billions others who share the same faith.It teaches a person to be forging.A Muslim is supposed to be full of energy as we saw on the interview.A Muslim man or woman is supposed to get married as soon as they can and start a family.As soon as a person ask for forgiveness from God he is forgiven.Muslims supposed to provide for their family but they should not put too much emphasis on money.They also should treat the bodies as God's temple and not to abuse it with drugs and alcohol.These are only some examples of the reason why others find Islam appealing religion.


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Islam is the fastest growing religion...

by whatisislam (not verified) on

Islam is the fastest growing religion especially amongst educated women in the United States. 50 years ago the main constituency was African Americans, but now it is White Educated Females.

But of course these guys are idiots and you guys are the enlightened ones.

Someone will reply, "well, they have never lived in an islamic country, like Iran"

Maybe not, but maybe they also don't see countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia as representing Islam.

Let us remember that their is Islam and their is Muslims. Muslims are human and fallible.

You can take any document and have radicals use it for their own twisted logic. The US constitution has been used to justify slavery, and now it is used to justify white idiots to carry weapons (and no surprise that murder rates are the highest in the US compared to any other country in the world).

I congratulate this fellow for seeing outside the box of what was fed to him by haters, and embraced what he felt was truth.

Maybe Iranians need to learn tolerance and respect, rather than hatred. Otherwise you are no different than those Muslims that preach hatred and intolerance. You are ONE AND THE SAME.


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To: Farzad

by Saeed K. (not verified) on

You wrapped it up perfectly my friend.

One word: Idiot!


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Idiot

by Farzad1 (not verified) on

He should be locked up with the rest of the rascals. He must have been brainwashed with promises of 70 virgins.


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Aboll

by proud muslim (not verified) on

yes, some number of women marry serial killers. But not nearly as many as the women who marry muslims!


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There is no account for taste

by Aboli (not verified) on

...And there are also women who fall in love and marry serial killers who are on death row.


David ET

hehe

by David ET on

That was actually a funny news

and Q: I promise to be back after the commercial.


Q

This is not surprising to me

by Q on

it does however make one wonder who really is "winning" the war here, for those who are at war with Islam.

But this is not surprising.

Islam's message is social justice. There is no better example of abused justice that has received as much publicity and attention as Guantanimo. Here you probably have a bunch of young Americans who swallowed the Bush era right wing propaganda about Islam and Muslims. They didn't know any better. Then they saw that they were holding a bunch of innocent people (90% had no case against them) in Gitmo, and furthermore their own "side" was torturing and lying about it.

Finally they saw vindication in the form of Obama acknowledging and shutting down Gitmo.

This combined with the destruction of the rest of the right wing "morality" is having many people question the fundemental faiths that led them to this point. In point of fact conversion to Islam is up accross the board and has increased among women.

This is not unusual either. Powerful stories of injustice, suffering and impossible odds agains the righteous are at the root of many religions. Think about David v. Goliath, Christ and Imam Hussein.


khaleh mosheh

بنام خداوند جانو خرد

khaleh mosheh


And since its 250'th anniversary of Handels death..

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnHksDFHTQI