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Dear Mehdi Joon

Thank you for exposing Q's Oghdeh with such class and clarity. See, The only people that have to be perfect in their world are the Zionists. The only people with issues are the Zionists. Zionists cause all the problems. This is classical scapegoating. Classical. They have replaced the word "Jew" these days with "Zionist" but they still refer to you and break you down as "Spharadic" or "Ashkenazi". It sounds more politically correct.

Afarin Mehdi!

Lets get the facts

Mister Q. I do appreciate your response. I will reply to some of your comments (rather accusation) about Israel.

You wrote:
¨You are confused and you take refuge in a newly found source of pride: your Israeli citizenship. Blind nationalism is responsible for the worst atrocities of the 20th century and I'm sorry to see otherwise peaceful Jews fall for this trap.¨

Shomah khaily be-bakh-shit. maybe you want to dig a bit more why more then 1.1M Jews, including more then 120,000 in Iran, who lived throughout the Arab & Islamic countries. By 1960s More then 99% of them ware forced out of their homes, and land. They found refuge in Israel and other western countries.

You write:
¨Understand that the regime of Israel does not now, and has never ever represented "the Jews" of the world.¨

Well, Israel never ever declared to represent the Jews of the world. Rather, Israel is a home and the spiritual center to any Jew who had enough of persecution, and wished to live in freedom, and democracy, in his ancestral land.

You write:
¨There is a lot of racism within Israel, including Jew on Jew¨

I am sure you will agree with me that, throughout the Islamic states there is also a racism between Muslims. Sunni vs. Shiíte is the biggest one.
The difference is my friend, if you watch Al Arbiya & Al Jazeerah, you will see that, Israelis admit their shortcoming in public. Arabs & Iranian regimes just shove it under their (Persian) rugs. (Ever wondered why Iran produces the best rugs in the world. Here is one use for them)

You write:
¨While they ride the coattails of Sephardim and Mizrahim, they never see fit to even discuss why all the power and money always belongs to the Ashkenazi, the group that was distinctly not living there "continuously" from 3000 years ago.¨

This is yet another fallacy perpetrated by Arab & Iranian propagandas.

Power and Sephardi (Jews who immigrated from N. Africa & ME): consider these people.
Shaul Mofaz - former IDFś chief of staff, Defense Minister, and current labor minister.
Dani Halutz: Former Chief of staff.
Moshe Katsav: former president of Israel

All three were born in..........................Iran, and had immigrated to Israel. They rose to power through their talent and sheer leadership skill in IDF. So much for that convoluted ¨racism¨ in Israel.

In regard to the Ashkenazim (Jews who immigrated from Europe). Through Y-chromosome, scientist are finding out that these Jews are the direct descendent's of those Jews whom the Romans had forced out of Jerusalem back in 70 ACE, and moved into Europe. (Jews are known for keeping meticulous record of their history)

You write:
¨It's all BS statism designed to justify power. Actually, you will surely be surprised of my own background if we ever meet.¨

I can respect your desire for privacy and anonymity. Try to write as much as you can so I can have a better understanding were you come from and why you have negative view of the ¨Zionists¨?

Finally, I like you to know that zion and myself know the Iranian well. They don´t know us. These Iranians can´t BS us with their bellicose accusation. We know how they think, and their value system. That is many of them resort to name calling and insult.

aion and mehdi joon, this is not a joke to us

the false claims of some Arabs on Khuzestan has claimed many life and many suffering and pain. These groups have no power inside the province. The 3 islands in the persian gulf don't even have any support from the people living in the areas. All those people are Iranian and call themselves that. Please don't make this about Israel.

Zion, thank you again for exposing yourself.

It must be the low self-esteem that constantly feels she has to feel validated by making anything and everything about Israel. If there is a conversation and no one is talking about Israel, you just invent a connection! I'll be happy to put you in your place in either case.

You, as usual, have no idea what you are talking about. "Historical right" my ass. Your pathetic attempt to justify a mass migration of European people into the Middle East and call that "return" on biblical grounds is exactly the excuse fanatic Christians used to justify eradication of natives in America and Apartheid South Africa (surprise, surprise, 2 biggest allies of the Apartheid regime of Israel).

Dear Mazloom, You are confused and you take refuge in a newly found source of pride: your Israeli citizenship. Blind nationalism is responsible for the worst atrocities of the 20th century and I'm sorry to see otherwise peaceful Jews fall for this trap.

Understand that the regime of Israel does not now, and has never ever represented "the Jews" of the world. There is a lot of racism within Israel, including Jew on Jew. This explains the depth of dishonesty of Zionist propagandists like our insecure friend: While they ride the coattails of Sephardim and Mizrahim, they never see fit to even discuss why all the power and money always belongs to the Ashkenazi, the group that was distinctly not living there "continuously" from 3000 years ago.

It's all BS statism designed to justify power. Actually, you will surely be surprised of my own background if we ever meet.

Militarism, racist indoctrination and a sense of victimization is necessary to justify the gross injustices that are carried out in the last remaining European colony,and the last Apartheid state in the world.

Mehdi

Their hypocricy knows no bounds. As I said before, it is the same situation really regarding arabs and the arabs` false and chauvinistic claims on other people`s historical heritage. The only difference is that Israel and Jews recognize Iran`s right to her historical land and respect it, but this gang of islamist and leftist apologists in Iran, hypocrites as they are, fall head over toes for the same arab mentality and claims when it comes to the Jewish people`s historical right and heritage. A sad and sorry sight of people who can`t, or deliberately refuse to, recognize their friends and foes, allies and rivals.

It is funny and sad at the same time.

Khuzestan is a part of Iran

I cannot believe what Zion tries to get away with on this site.

Why does JJ tolerate someone who wants to bomb and divide the Iranian nation?

What about the argument of historical legitimacy, does that only work for Jews?

Zion is exposed as a "tafraghe andaze daraje yek"

perfectly stated Q

"We all get it! Hostility between Persians and Arabs and Turks has always benefited Zionists. It's not rocket science. Way to live up to your war-inciting reputation! You are a proud soldier of Zion!"

could not be said better.

'self-hating' Jews

Indeed. Very well said. A bunch of inconsequential pathetic ultra leftist freaks. They have an agenda. You have to read the Jewish history of late 19th century and the first half of 20th century, especially the Socialist-Trotskist attitude to the `Jewish problem` and the rivalry between communists and Zionism to understand their ridiculous bias and agendas. But instead you can read the decleration of Hamas to enjoy your position. Why pain your head with half-true , better than nothing, dhimmi stuff when you can enjoy the real thing? Be a man!

Mullahs Doupicity

Q, before your jump your gun on zion, lets take closer look at the article itself.

quote:
[Speaking of Al-Ahwaz, Abu Iyad revealed that Al-Ahwaz principality whose population could reach 8 million people was an Arab sovereign state before being occupied in 1925 by the founder of the modern Iranian state Ridha Khan Al-Bahlawi.

He also presented a brief history of Al-Ahwaz Princedom and its Arab and Islamic civilization, stressing that the occupied principality of Al-Ahwaz contains 95 percent of Iran's strategic oil reserves and 80 percent of natural gas.]

AND

[Abu Eyad mentioned that the Arab population of Al-Ahwaz has been struggling and resisting the Persian occupation since 1925, maintaining that there have been over 15 intifadas (uprising) since then.]

These comments come from a man who seem to be directly affected by Iran's control of Ahwaz.

what zion was trying to highlight is, the duplicity and double faced Mullahs in Iran. They cry and vilify others (Israel) for their occupation of WB Gaza. Declare themselves as champions for Sunni Palestinian Arabs. Now we find out that these Mullahs themselves have been occupying someone else's land since 1925. GREAT!!!!!

How that famous saying goes. "A Mullah preaches morality, while himself runs a prostitution ring".

This Iranian leadership is on no moral, social or political ground to preach others, while themselves are biggest violators of human right in Iran.

Why don't you be a nicer guy, and write me from your perspective, how Ahwaz became a point of contention. (No personal insult or attacks on Israel, because I will not stand for it - period)

Finally, you are wrong to assume Israelis are here to attack Iran. No we are not. Our problem is with same people whom 80% of the Iranians themselves wish to see them go away - the Mullahs in Tehran. In many ways, we share with your yearning for freedom of expression, and better political and economical environments which you deserve.

Books which refute

Books which refute everything you say and stand for e.g exposing the Zionist forces ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland, many of them Israelis, god-forbid, those 'self-hating' Jews:

 //www.amazon.co.uk/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211329891&sr=1-1

//www.amazon.co.uk/Iron-Wall-Israel-Arab-World/dp/0140288708/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211329925&sr=1-2

//www.amazon.co.uk/Reality-Israel-Palestine-Conflict-Norman-Finkelstein/dp/1859844421/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211329957&sr=1-2

//www.amazon.co.uk/Fateful-Triangle-United-States-Palestinians/dp/0745315305/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211329977&sr=1-1

//www.amazon.co.uk/Iron-Cage-Palestinian-Struggle-Statehood/dp/0807003093/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330002&sr=1-1

//www.amazon.co.uk/Palestinian-Refugee-Problem-Revisited-Cambridge/dp/0521009677/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330029&sr=1-2

//www.amazon.co.uk/Scars-War-Wounds-Peace-Israeli-Arab/dp/0297848836/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330162&sr=1-2

This one is by a former Israeli foreign minister...

//www.amazon.co.uk/Persistence-Palestinian-Question-Joseph-Massad/dp/0415770106/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330214&sr=1-1

//www.amazon.co.uk/End-Peace-Process-Edward-Said/dp/1862075239/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330235&sr=1-7

//www.amazon.co.uk/Blaming-Victims-Spurious-Scholarship-Palestinian/dp/1859843409/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330256&sr=1-18

//www.amazon.co.uk/Politics-Dispossession-Struggle-Palestinian-Self-determination/dp/0099223015/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1211330256&sr=1-21

Your propaganda and illusions have no place in any decent society...abandon your fundamentalist ideology based on religious texts and rightwing Israeli propaganda...

HA HA HA....

HA HA ... You are a true phenomenon Q! LOL...
Can`t you really see that I was being sarcastic?! That I was trying to make a point for your type of more-catholic-than-the-pope lovers of arabs of `palestine`?!
LOL... sorry can`t help it... You are great:

`Is Iran being occupied by Arabs or Arabs are being occupied by Iran? Are Persians being ``arabized`` or Arabs being ``persianized`` ?

You have argued both depending on which other braindead racist is supporting you. It's like this: You are shamelessly saying anything to attack Iran.`

LOL...This is a gem! I`ll print this one out and keep it around.

Now seriously...
`Actually, I hate to burst your bubble...the Arab League has repeatedly rejected their claims in Khuzestan...`

Isn`t it the official Arab position, repeated in all their council declarations through the years, that the three islands in the Persian gulf belong to them? Aren`t they calling and using their influence to bring others to call the body of water `Arabian gulf`? Wasn`t it the position of the `palestinian national hero` Saddam Hussein Takriti that the province of `Arabistan` was a Persian occupied territory, and didn`t all arab countries (except Syria) side with him at the time? The only reason they denounce some of the claims for now is because of all the political gains they have at the moment. You don`t see them attacking Israel with their armies any more either, it was at the beginning when they thought of Israelis as a bunch of weak war torn Jews that they invaded. That is their style, their mode of thought. The weaker Iran gets by the policies of the Islamic republic, the more you will see them slowly stepping forward to grab a spoil.

`How many times have I caught you red-handed?`

Oh, many times. You are indeed a great detective. :-)

Which is it Zion?

Is Iran being occupied by Arabs or Arabs are being occupied by Iran? Are Persians being "arabized" or Arabs being "persianized" ?

You have argued both depending on which other braindead racist is supporting you. It's like this: You are shamelessly saying anything to attack Iran. I can only imagine what double-tounged sophistry you people spin in the Arab websites against Iran.

We all get it! Hostility between Persians and Arabs and Turks has always benefited Zionists. It's not rocket science. Way to live up to your war-inciting reputation! You are a proud soldier of Zion!

Actually, I hate to burst your bubble, but if you bothered to read the article I posted (you? read???) you would have seen that the Arab League has repeatedly rejected their claims in Khuzestan. Therefore in no way can it be said that "Arabs" or "the same people" consider Iran on par with Israel. Nevermind the rest of the world that condemns current Israeli occupations of Westbank and Golan. But of course, for propaganda purposes, it would help Zionists to mislead as you are and pretend like this bunch of British stooges have any legitimate claim like Palestinians do.

How many times have I caught you red-handed, lying and misleading about Iran now? Is it 8, 10 times already?

Enjoy one more!

So are you according to the same people!

Israel has been the only homeland of Jews for the past 3000 years non stop. It is only according to the arabs, the fools around teh world who believe them and those who pretend to believe them because it gives them a good excuse for their hatred, that we are `occupiers`. According to arabs, you are also truly `occupiers`. You might want to close your eyes and refuse to see the reality, but that is the way its. Enjoy!

one difference zion,

you guys really are zionist occupiers.

Welcome to the club!

You Persian Zionists, do you have no conscience occupying the oppressed arab`s holy lands and waters? ;-)
Just feel the arab humanism and love coming, you shameless occupiers!

Clowns

These Arabs make me laugh. They can hardly manage the countries that the British invented and gave them after the end of WW I, and now they dare to challange Iran. Talk about the mouse that roared.

"Ze sheer-e shotor khordan o soosmar...."