Musings of a former chicken

Dear Vildmose

The problem is that none of those who lobby for or financialy benefit from IRR will tell you they support them.   And they all express their sincere concerns about a war and bombings of innocent Iranians.  I have yet to see a single post by M&P expressing his dislike of IRR or something that would shed any light on what we must do to see the end of IRR.   All I see is him and a couple of others appearing in every post Fred makes - in trying to discredit him.  

Just my two cents

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mien

Mien v mein

Look up the definition of mien in English,  it might be  instructional.

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Mein Fuhrer, not Mien

If one instructs others on grammar and punctuation (e.g. "...unless one does not know what quotation marks are used for"), one may also wish to consider the correct spelling of the word "Mein".

 Auf wiedersehen

Moosir, good to know. I

Moosir, good to know. I thought you wanted an Islamic republic. I specifically asked your opinion not others. The rest is up to the Iranian people not to you and I. Whatever they decide, don't you think?

Fred

Again you are changing the subject. how about we address the main point of my argument here? That is you want airtight sanctions which you HAVE said. And people in Iran do not want that.

vildemose aziz

my "wish" is what most enlighted people today wish these days for their country. a secular democracy. but there is a wide gap between wishing for something and what is practical (or achievable) in the short term in todays iran. if you are willing to wage a civil war between thugs + those who are geniunely misguided and the rest of the population or inflict pain on a population who is not asking for more hardship (something that the gasoline sanctions WILL bring)  then by all means, lets all support a quick (nor not) and messy probable (or not) end to this regime and screw the short/mid/long term term consequences!

Mien Führer

 Not that it makes any difference but as it has been reminded to other likeminded just thought it might be said again here.

When one uses quotation marks it denotes direct quote, like with this asinine statement "the western world has to impose crippling airtight sanctions so I can satisfy my emotional needs", it means someone has said it.

And since it is being used in the context of an attack, it  means the person being attacked has said it. So it is highly unethical to make it up unless one does not know what quotation marks are used for  and just uses them for decoration or extra emphasis.   

Well done Fred, as always

I am afraid we are getting closer and closer to an armed confrontation with the Islamic Rapist Republic (I like the appropo name you have given them).  Knowing Iran would want this surgical attack confrontation and the West postponing it as much as it can.  But the West has only so much tolerance before it has not alternative but to put a stop to the nonsense this regime is inflicting on ther world. 

Mossir aziz: what is your

Mossir aziz: what is your desire for Iran? do you wish the Islamic Republic to stay intact but under Mousavi?

moosir...

you have your opinion and we have ours....

but the FACT is that the mullahs didn't take over iran on their own....they had the backing of the british, french, and that idiot carter....

and they haven't lasted 30 years on their own, they have had china, russia, and a bunch of other vultures to thank for helping them rape iran's natural resources and keeping them afloat...

so if you think the brave young iranians who are putting their lives on the line can topple these animals on their own, then you're wrong in your assesment....

nobody wants to have the us or british to come back in and keep doing what the mullahs are doing already, but the fact is that the akhoonds will not leave in peace...they know this is their last stand, and they will do ANYTHING to hold on to power....

our compatriots need the support of 'western powers' to help get rid of these mullahs....that's the truth 

shushtari

shushtari, unlike you, I have a memory longer than a day and look at the whole context of Fred's Iranian.com "cyber activism". When he says the "sane world" has to help Iran I read as "the western world has to impose crippling airtight sanctions so I can satisfy my emotional needs" vis-a-vis IRI. His logic is often faulty, his solutions dangerous and misguided.

It is natural to put forward misguided ideas when you are out of touch with realities in Iran. 

piaz......put a lid on it....

why are u attacking fred???!!

he has always spoken the truth and is always on the money....

you should go sit in jar of serkeh and betroshee 

Wow, which way did the sun

Wow, which way did the sun rose this morning?

Is Fred actually praising the students and people in general in Iran for standing up to IRI. He correctly says "It takes incredible bravery and determination for people from all walks of life to come out and face armed to the teeth Islamist Rapists " which is far more then he can say for himself, bravery that is. But his determination on the other hand, to some how try to derail this movement into a foreign driven and controlled does perhaps surpass those people on the streets. Perhaps he is worried that a free and democratic Iran would still be just as critical towards the Zionist and their fascist behavior towards Palestinians. South Africa is a good example of that, people who had suffered from an apartheid regime know well when the see another one just like it so naturally they are against it.

It is interesting how he refers to the slogans as " the only public barometer of depth and unifying strands speak of aim and desires different than those pronounced by the self designated "Green Movement" spokespersons popping up all over the place." But he suddenly becomes deaf when the slogans are "na sharghi na gharbi, dolate meli gari"

This must be a high paying job for some one to submit himself to such low levels

Mehrdad

Changing subjects...

Stop changing subjects with your cute responses. Naturally when it comes to speaking for Iranians inside Iran you tend to change the subject alot. It's always about you and what you want isnt it?

 
Not to mention, as soon as we criticise your views you go on autopilot and resort to the same nonsense about the right to have an opinion in a democratic society and our obligation to not challange your bankrupted views.

Mien Führer

No “capisci”, no one, certainly not you mien Führer who on the regular basis give yourself the right to take away the nationality of Iranians that don’t go with your opinions has the right to issue such asinine order.

Get use to it fast, or since you say: “nothing pisses me off more than to see someone like you …” be prepared to be perpetually pissed off.

This is how it is done in a democracy, even one like America which you despise so much but enjoy her amenities and there ain’t nothing you can do about it. Sorry.

Look into the American

Look into the American Civil Rights Movement, when it wasn’t the
thing to do, there were young white and well off Americans who risked
everything on defending it, some paying the ultimate price. But that too
will not have much effect on the triumvirate’s agenda, will it?  

They paid the ultimate price because THEY risked everything. Keyword, THEY did it because they CHOSE to do it. They were not pressured or coerced. You are not in a  position to push people to do what YOU want them to do. And nothing pisses me off more than to see someone like you trying to pretend that you care about Iranians suffering when you are prescribing the policy they overwhelmingly REJECT.

If and when the majority of Iranians (particularly the activists) INSIDE Iran ask for crippling airtight gasoline sanctions, I will support whatever they decide. But until THEY ask for it, we on the outside have no right to demand anything of them, capisci? 

Strong suit

“This sounds so much like your drivel on Iranian.com.” 

It defies logic to consistently read and condemn what one labels as “drivel”, but logic has never been the strong suit of the triumvirate, has it?

Look into the American Civil Rights Movement, when it wasn’t the thing to do, there were young white and well off Americans who risked everything on defending it, some paying the ultimate price. But that too will not have much effect on the triumvirate’s agenda, will it?  

Ps. Thanks for the link, will look it over. Doing a good job, keep it up! 

Stop pretending that you

Stop pretending that you are on their side. You want "crippling" / "airtight"sanctions. They dont want sanctions.

Are you a member of  www.30yearsafter.org by the way? They've recently released a statement backing the gasoline sanctions. I love how they pretend to speak not only for the entire Iranian American community but for the entire Iranian population in Iran. //www.jewishjournal.com/thirtyyearsafter/item...

"

The Iranian people desperately seek for the United States and the
international community to stand on their side.  The video clips of the
demonstrations tell the story.  While APN and NIAC ask the American
government to do nothing, the people of Iran march and chant “Obama,
Obama, Ya Ba Mah, Ya Bah Unah;”  “Obama, Obama, Either you are with us
or you are with them.”  Even more striking, the people refuse to heed
the mullahs’ calls for chants of “Down with America” and “Down with
Israel.”  Instead, they respond with “Down with Russia”—a pointed
reminder that Russia refuses to back tough economic sanctions at the
United Nations. "

This sounds so much like your drivel on Iranian.com.

And it makes me laugh. truly. So the Iranians are saying down with russia because Russia doesnt back Israeli-prescribed policy of crippling sanctions that will hurt them? 

You people live in your own fantasy world.