Should We Welcome A USA Sponsored Regime Change for Iran?

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
07-Oct-2011
 

We all know today, the Shah was removed by a US orchestrated coup d'etat, with military involvement up to the last minute. This Coup had been pre-planned years in advance and supported by propaganda focussing on 3 Massive myths regarding the Late Shah. 1) Dictator 2) Repression 3) Corruption.  This Myth was Propagated mainly by US & UK Media (No Surprise).  Who instead of Congratulating Iran on it's oil independence in 1979 were found renegotiating contract for oil that saw Iran receive only 25% for its oil compared with 75% during the late Shahs time.  While the US Secret plan spoke to the people of Iran, via it's media in favor of supporting human rights, we also now know that this was just a cynical statement from the USA.  Harsh tactics which had NOT been common, were being pushed on Savaki's by US advisors (although nothing like the types of international torture houses the US is using today or even secret executions of US Citizens becoming now within the legal power of the President of the USA for the first time).  To get a background of the details of these US & UK operations, listen to this clip by historian f william engdahl.

Then read this excerpt from a book written by an Iranian

//www.studien-von-zeitfragen.de/Eurasien/Shah...

Using these two documents, feel free to add your own, lets discuss if we should welcome A US Sponsored Regime Change for Iran, most likely using MeK (though the USA may decide to fund them in secrecy like it has been, instead of delisting them, to keep up a good US image)?

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VPK: what religious historians wrote was wrong. Most of what you are saying relates wrong analysis by religious operating systems. The world has changed. Move over to Android.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Ali

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My point is not really what the religions were but where they go. When you have a single jealous God you get intolerance. But with polytheism you get tolerance. The Abrahamic religions deliberately misrepresent other beliefs.

For example they claim they "worshiped idols". No: they used idols to represent their idea of a God. Or a force of nature. No one was so stupid to think a statue is a "God". It was symbolism. But Abraham was not too bright and was not able to get it. The Christians use a cross themselves. But obviously no one thinks that two chunks of wood put crossed have "power". They just represent their ideas. But they worship a man being tortured. The Greeks worshiped beauty; intelligence and other things.


alimostofi

VPK: You are right, but for

by alimostofi on

VPK: You are right, but for the wrong reasons. Imagine a bunch of relgious minded baffoons writing about Astrology. That is what has happened to the interpretation of the ancient history of Iran. The word "Polytheism" is used to describe the various Astrological principles. If you study Psychology and then map that on the motions of planets you get a whole host of definitions. Hinduism does this now. We and the Greeks did it. But the biblical scholars interpreted it all wrong. Long story.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Ali

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Iranians were polytheists for a long time. Amongst the greatest Gods where Mitra and Anahita. Zartosht brought monotheism to Iran which in my opinion was a mistake. Honestly I do love and respect all our Gods. 

However I do not want to depose all our Gods for the sake of the one. Ahura Mazda means "The Wise Lord". I am not sure if it  refers to a particular one. But monotheism breeds intolerance. It is best to respect all of them. My personal favorite is Mitra. 

When we accept all the Gods we accept diversity. The one God specially the Abrahamic one is jealous and intolerant. It has been with us for several thousand years bringing misery. We do well to go back to the old Gods.

 


alimostofi

Amir: and ... Between 80 to

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Amir: and ...
Between 80 to 20,000 years Iran has been ruled by Ahuramazda and is still alive.

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Humor

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GEOGRAPHY OF A WOMAN
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> Between 18 and 22, a woman is like Africa. Half discovered, half wild, fertile and naturally beautiful!
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> Between 23 and 30, a woman is like Europe. Well developed and open to trade, especially for someone of real value.
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> Between 31 and 35, a woman is like Spain, very hot, relaxed and convinced of her own beauty.
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> Between 36 and 40, a woman is like Greece, gently aging but still a warm and desirable place to visit.
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> Between 41 and 50, a woman is like Great Britain, with a glorious and all conquering past.
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> Between 51 and 60, a woman is like Israel, has been through war, doesn't make the same mistakes twice, takes care of business.
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> Between 1 and 80, a man is like Iran, ruled by nuts.
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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I wonder why all those that feel my intro was off did not watch

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the interview with the historian and economist posted in the article?

His words and analysis are highly resonable, yes egypt and tunisia were planned too not just iran.  Listen to his interview then comment.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: Chaep Oil

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The gig is up. Chinese have figured out how to match KW for KW on grid with Solar. No more oil. Now we must stand on Iranian feet. *** the oil.


alimostofi

Oon Yaroo: I have not been

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Oon Yaroo: I have not been around this site for a while and have not met the new players. I decided to concentrate on sites that abuse the name of Iran. My modus operanti is to get the media to use the correct phrases and not say "Iran" when they mean Hezbollahis. In fact most Israeli news media and other spin artists are changing.

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alimostofi

Mammad: The Shah was

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Mammad: The Shah was suckered into a lovely trap. To complete your lovely tale you need a few anecdotes. Ask yourself why did we buy so many weapons? Who provoked us? And then who made money from it? Now ask the same question about the Hezbollah Party in Iran. They are doing exactly the same if not more. But they don't have Communists to fight against. This time the US plays the bad guy and does not admit that it is doing it all for military sales. At least in Nixon era the Shah and Iran was seen as the frontline state against Communism. This time they make us look like the worst pariah state in the world.

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Oon Yaroo

Alimostofi, maybe it's because VPK & I shop from the same ....

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from the same grocery store!

I think I catch the drift on the role of the US corporations in the shaping of foreign policies of the US government vis-a-vis the rest of the world.

After all, 30 some odd years after the demise of the Shah's government, it has come to the surface that one of the main reasons behind his destabilization by US was his rigidity in re-negotiating a "wiser" deal on the oil contracts (e.g., he wanted something like 80% of for Iran & 20% US)!

Of course, the IRR regime is willing to sell their own mothers to stay in power one more day by giving it for free (e.g., 90% US and 10% Iran!)

All I am saying is that a wis(er) leader should be able to settle for a deal much fairer than the latter but would never be able to optimize as long as US is US and Iran is weak!

Do you get the drift Ali? May I use the fan to blow some air toward you?


Mammad

Speak for yourself your fabricator

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We all know today, the Shah was removed by a US orchestrated coup d'etat, with military involvement up to the last minute. This Coup had been pre-planned years in advance and supported by propaganda focussing
on 3 Massive myths regarding the Late Shah. 1) Dictator 2) Repression 3)
Corruption.  This Myth was Propagated mainly by US & UK Media (No
Surprise).

What the heck are you talking about? "We" all know? Who are these "We"? You and your fantasies, and a few Shahollahis? At least say, "I believe..."

Myth? Was the Shah not a dictator?What was he, if not a dictator? A democrat? Yeah, I guess he was, because he could not even tolerate the cartoonish Iran-e Novin, Mardom, and Pan Aranist "parties," ordered their dissolution, and founded a fascist-like party, Rastakhiz, all after eliminating all the moderate opposition that, if had been allowed to operate, we would have never had a revolution in the first place. He also told people that if they do not like it, they will either be thrown in jail or their passports to leave their country. I guess that is "directed democracy" that you talked about in your last "blog."

Was his regime not repressive? Yeah, I guess it was not. That is why there was no real press, not opposition, no nothing, but infinite amount of arrogance: Shahanshah, Khodaaygaan, Bozorg Arteshtaran, Aryamehr! He even had "historians" like you to try to find a link between his father and Cyrus the Great, not in terms of being just another Shah, but physical links.

Was his regime not corrupt? This need not any argument! At least read Asadollah Alam's memoirs in which he describes how the Shah ruled and how his regime was, and this was a man who always was "gholam khaneh-zad" of the Shah and passed away before the Revolution. At least read memoirs of the Shah's mother.

Involvement of the military? General Huyser was sent to Iran to line up the military behind Shapour Bakhtiar - the idols of Shahollahis - and when that was not effective, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter NSA, asked him to stage a coup to prevent the toppling of Bakhtiar. This is so well documented. 

And this was all propagated in the West! Yeah, when Iranians of that era, including me, woke up every morning, since there was no internet, satellite TV, cell phones, FaceBook, Tweets, etc., we would run to the first store that sold the foreign press to read about what the latest propaganda against the Shah was, and given the naive people that we were, we just believed it!  

Calling a great revolution a coup is not just distorting the history, but insulting deeply the vast majority of the people who took part in it. Yes, the Revolution deviated from its paths, but, that was due to the vacuum of political leadership that the Shah's regime had created in the opposition that was quickly filled by the clerics, and the fact that the Revolution was deviated from its true path does not negate the reasons that gave rise to it in the first place.

Your writing - if one can call it that - has crossed all boundaries of absurdity and conspiracy theories. I have never known such fabrication and rewriting of the history.

This is the last time I comment on anything you write. It is a total waste of time. Commenting on what you write gives this nonsense weight, which I am not willing to do.

Mammad


alimostofi

Oon Yaroo: Like VPK you use

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Oon Yaroo: Like VPK you use the word "US" There is no "US". We have US corporations that use China to get cheap oil from Hezbollah Party in Iran contracts. Why would they want to change that? The US government's sanctions exclude oil trading firms fron China for that reason.

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Oon Yaroo

Yes, with caution!

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US will not replace the IRR regime with one that may necessarily suit your taste!

After all what new regime can meet the diverse standards and likings of 70 million Iranians? Right here in IC, every member has his/her own idea of the characteristics of a new regime!

Besides, if there is any regime change initiated by US it will most likely take the interests of US in mind not China or Russia!

As for the interests of its own citizens, like any other game-theoretic concept, weak nations that fall within the conflict zones of super powers have to negotiate, compromise, and settle for a fair deal that may not necessarily be optimum!

It will never be 20% US and 80% 3rd world nation in question! If you can get a 50-50 deal you should throw your proverbial hat in the air!

The wiser and the more patient the 3rd world nation and its leaders, the better the deal it may get in the long run. 

Remember, no country has the interests of others in mind!

Having said that, at this point in time Iran should seek all means including foreign assistance both in the form of financial, logistics, and military to get herself rid of the IRR criminal enterprise! 


alimostofi

Iraj: there were three

by alimostofi on

Iraj: there were three options for the US. Oppose, Assist, or stay neutral with Mobarak. They chose neutral. For the Shah they did not stay neutral. The Islamic Brotherhood would have reacted if they had not appeared to be neutral in Egypt. Unlike Qaddafi Mobarak was not as brutal. So it was very subtle. In fact Mobarak was hoping the US would support him, for all the work he had done to preserve US businesses. But the Democrats are as if they are from another country compared to Republicans. As I said, if the right wing get in the US you will see the seeds of Islamic Brotherhood sprout all across Africa and world. That then would be perfect for the Evagenlicals who just want to lock horns with their old sparring partners as the weapon salesmen count their money.

Ali Mostofi

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alimostofi

Iraj: there are actually

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Iraj: there are actually three options for the US. First they could have said they are pro-Mobarak. Second they could have said they are anti-Mobarak. But thirdly, which you missed, is that they pretended to be impartial. The first two would have aroused the Muslim Brotherhood. In the case of Shah they did not use the third option. As a refresher read this //www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030108-50...

Ali Mostofi

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iraj khan

misunderstanding a revolution

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This is how Mr Amirparviz starts his blog:

"We all know today, the Shah was removed by a US orchestrated coup d'etat, with military involvement up to the last minute."

I didn't have to read the rest of his writing. it had started by a wrong conclusion of what Iranian Revolution that shook the world was about.

Question: Did Mobarak's regime was overthrown by U.S. too?

Not so, revolutions happen when 'Have nots' stand up against the 'Haves'. Iranian masses rebled against Shah and his extended family known as 'Hezar Fameel" who owned and operated Iran hence they were kicked out of power. They took their million$ and billion$ and left Iran.

It's kind of showing itself in the United States too by those who are demonstrating against the 'Haves' in most U.S. cities, the Occupy Wall Street' demonstrators who represent the 99% of the U.S. population demonstrating against the 1% who own and rule this country.


alimostofi

VPK: Well you can thank this

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VPK: Well you can thank this guy appropriately called Goh at Foxconn for creating the biggest slavery work centre in the world for that.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

It beats Microsoft!

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Well the good news is Apple does not crash as often. So maybe better to have them!


alimostofi

VPK: there is no America as

by alimostofi on

VPK: there is no America as such. It becomes America when it is threatened. Outside Olympics UN and war zones the concept of nationalism is not as strong as various brands in US. Apple is stronger than America. Ge Exxon they rule. And as long as The Hezbollah Party sends oil for free to China Walmart and Apple will rule the world.

Ali Mostofi

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: US Attack

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I do not believe USA has the best interests of Iran in mind. It wants to do something bad. Nor does it have the interests of Americans in mind. It just wants to siphon money from tax payers to military industrial complex. The problem is there is no money. So the game is over whether they like it or not. Americans are going to demand the money go for Social Security; Medicare. As well as other pressing domestic things. Watch how they are reacting already.

Regarding intervention what do they want! Maybe the Bernard plan Lewis to divide up Iran or to put MEK in power. The Americans with EU put IRI in power. Why should I trust them to remove it. I saw what they did in Libya; Iraq and Afghanistan. They created Islamic Republics what makes me thing they will be different in Iran. I say *** you to USA intervention. May Bernard Lewis rot in *** before USA messes with Iran.

Regarding Tibet: Iran is not Tibet and is a totally different situation. USA won't dare do anything about Tibet. Nor should it. None of their business. I would love to go back to a pre-revolution Iran. But how many times do I say. That is not what USA wants. I am not going to have my wishful thinking ally me with the likes of Bolton and Lewis. When change comes it will be from within Iran not outside. 

Here are a few questions to you:

  • Why did USA install Khomeini to begin with.
  • Why do they support MEK.
  • Why do they listen to Bernard Lewis and his separatists.
  • Why did they break up Yugoslavia.
  • Why do they support Islamic Republics in Libya; Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • Why should I or anyone trust the West regarding Iran.

alimostofi

Simorgh: Is attacking

by alimostofi on

Simorgh: Is attacking Taliban intervening? So we need to rebrand the threat in Iran. When the UN accepts The Hezbollah Party as Iranian nationalists we have a problem. Enough said.

Ali Mostofi

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Simorgh5555

American intervention is a MUST

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As much as it pains me to invite foreign intervenetion into my country, the answer is 'Yes'. 

The kind of foreign intervention that is required is a fully fledged modern liberation army capable of carrying out a ground invasion of Iran and/or to conduct targeted assassinations of the Revolutionary Guards, Basij, the President and, of course, the Supreme Leader himself.

The need for US assistance in the form of precision air strikes (or Israel) to help any ground force resistance on the ground is indispensible.

The alternative is for Iranian  philanthropists to pay for military action agaist the IR in the same way the international Jewish community helped fund the seven-day war or the Yom Kippur war. God knows Iranians are rich enough to be able to promote a war against the IR from exile. 

There is no alternative but military action.

For those of you who are opposed to military action take a look at Tibet, where the sincere but useful idiot Dalai Lama still stries to inspire hope to his fellow Tibetans that their country will become free from Chinese occupation with his nonsense passive-resistance clap trap all the while knowing nothing would happen.

Do you want Iran to suffer the fate of China which after 70 years is still under Chinese occupation.

Do you want to be a people permanently in exile while nostalgically remembering 'home'?

Do you want to read bedtime sorties from Shahnameh to your children and regale them stories of Rostam and Shohrab all the while knowing in the back of your mind that alongside Persepolis which is decaying away, there is no such thing as Iran? 

Do you want your children and grand children to become permanent exiles inter-marrying with non-Iranians and your heritage and culture becoming a distant memory?

Ladies and Gentleman 2019 will be the 40th anniversary of the catastrophic Islamic Republic. Fourty friggin years! The alborz mountains have disappeared in Tehran, the Lakes and Rivers are poluted and dead. The trees of Kurdistan uprooted and its landscape leveled. There will be no more Iran.

Reggardless of your political ideology, the removal of this regime is an imperative. Please support military action before there will be no more Iran to talk about. At least not an Iran as we know it.  

 


alimostofi

VPk: sorry my fault.

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VPk: sorry my fault. Actually the US instigates wars to keep its weapons industry going. I think as you said, because the economy is grinding to halt, it needs to create a new enemy. Arab Spring will become Arab Winter of Discontent once a new hard nosed right wing President is elected and rubs the North Africans the wrong way. This is needed because a third of US GDP is in military.

Ali Mostofi

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Ali

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I missed your point. Maybe it is too early in morning. Please be clear: my point is that USA is running out of money. It is going result in the military machine grinding to a halt. Once that happens all the game will change in favor of local powers.

Add to that alternative energies and that makes oil less of an issue. Hence People less willing to pay for projecting power into ME. That will leave the fate of the region in the hands of its own people.


alimostofi

VPK: yes we all know that

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VPK: yes we all know that the US mulinationals are the demons. But that argument is just that a good argument. And that argument helps the Communists. And that in turn helps to scare people like the Shah or The Hezbollah Party to buy weapons. And who makes money from the weapons. US companies. So it is the weapons oil narcotics trade that is King.

Ali Mostofi

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirparviz Jan

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

Before I go on I want to say that you are depressing me! Not in a bad way but just because what you say it true. That people like Brzezinski got to set policy. The man should be in a war crime prison not writing books. 

Anyway the biggest enemy of America are its corporations. They are sucking it up dry. The endless wars they demand is what has weakened America not Eurasia. I tell you with absolute assurance that in the next 10-20 years America will lose its military superiority. It has run out of money and all that is needed it to pull the plug. I already told you about the S+P downgrading. Gold price is another indicator: 1600 $. Canadian dollar went from .70 $ to over a US dollar now. 

There plan to weaken Eurasia hit a rock in Tiananmen Square. USA had broken the back of Iran. Soviet Union was in shambles. Russia was all that is left run by a drunk. They were working on wrecking Yugoslavia then Serbia. But China said F** Y**. Put an abrubt end to that right there. Since then the US power has been waning.

Due to greed Wall Street has outsourced most of American factories to China. And a good deal of her high technology to India. What was gained from Russia and Iran was lost several times over to China and India.

As I told you I live in the USA and am watching things myself. It is going to *** and in a bad way. The USA will soon have to make a choice: war or prosperity. The last one in Libya was really hard to get funding for. An aging population wants benefits. The youth want jobs and not as soliders in Afghanistan. The gig's up.

I suspect the Chinese and Russians are reading the same books you are. They are not stupid. The whole situation will change and if Iran is smart it will end up twice its size now. 

 


alimostofi

Yawn: I said all this in

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Yawn: I said all this in 1978 when I was a student at Princeton and nothing has changed. The main reason was that the name of Iran was associated with Khomeini. They rebranded Iran. And guess what you are using the wrong terms. You should say it this way. The Hezbollah Party in Iran's policies were supported by the US. Once everyone in the media uses the correct terminologies then the branding is correct. It is all about quick simple communication.

Ali Mostofi

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

American democracy, free enterprize goal in 1930's/US Empire AIM

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You‘re talking about the “War and Peace Studies”?
FWE: Yes, and in the “War and Peace Studies,” Isaah Bowman, who was one of the leaders of that
project, an American geographer, and the other participants concluded – and that was in 1939, the
project began even before Hitler‘s panzers rolled into Poland – there‘s coming a second world war, it will
be a world war, not a European war. And America will emerge from that war as the world’s leading power.
But, they said, we will not make the mistake as the British and the French did: we will not call it an
empire. American people don‘t like to think of themselves as imperialists like the British. We‘ll call it the
extension of democracy and democratic freedoms. We‘ll call it the spread of the free-enterprise system t
other parts of the world, and under that cloak we will build our power as the unchallenged supremo on
the planet. And that, I have to say, was one of the most brilliant public relations propaganda ploys in
modern history to not call it not an empire.
But it is de facto in every sense of the term, the domination of the Pentagon and the control is every bit
as real as the British Empire, even more so.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Jesus Christ!

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

In a real sense the “War on Terror” is directed against China, Russia and the potential, as Brzezinski
stated it in his 1997 book “The Grand Chessboard,” of Eurasia as a landmass in terms of geopolitics. That
goes back to Sir Halford Mackinder, the British geographer, and his famous essay in 1904, „The
Geographical Pivot of History“, where he talks about Russia and its landmass as “the Heartland” of the
world. Brzezinski and Kissinger both are students of Mackinder. They do not talk about it often, but it‘s
clear that they were schooled in the British geopolitics strategy. And the idea is: you have to prevent at
all costs a cohesion in the great powers of Eurasia.


Then in 2001 interestingly enough, the great powers of Eurasia: Russia, China, and the various former
Soviet countries in between, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan created the so called
Shanghai Cooperation Organization, initially as a dialogue forum for potential cooperation. It was initially
not as the European Union, but at least as a beginning of some kind of a cohesion. And that presented
the ultimate Halford Mackinder nightmare for American geopolitics, because as Brzezinski wrote quite
openly: The only place on this globe that has the human resources, the scientific base, the industrial
base, the energy raw materials base to present a challenge to American global power is Eurasia.
That is literally what that “War on Terror” is about.

Hence why Iran and Afghanistan (before 1979) have to be weakened and broken up at all costs.