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GR

Your statements regarding IRI criminal actions are correct. The rest of your comment appears incoherent to me. For example, please explain why criticizing arguments in favor of the assassination implies a critiqe of those who have not expressed an opinion on the issue one way or the other.   

As I Wrote Before:

The Great Majority of Iranians don't give a hoot about this terrorist act. They have too many problems of their own.

The Islamists are probably barking like crazy pretending they care. But, in fact, they are worried about their own safety and what happens to them if and when there's a regime change.

The only people who are really in pain right now are his relatives!

I do believe now after

I do believe now after reading many sources that Israel has  most definitely orchestrated this lastest terrorist incident. What is puzzling then is why the IRI has not taken any retaliotry actions against Israel?? What are they waiting for??

p.s. I hear the IRI cut the Hamas funding because Hamas refused to assist IRI terrorist (butchering sunnis) activities in Syria.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Vildemose

They have blaimed both the U.S and Israel. I doubt the I.R knows who it was either. But from the articles I have read, I doubt this was an inside job. I guess the only thing the Islamic republic could assume is that it would not be ,for example, a Baluchi seperatist group.As they would not be able to produce a bomb like this. 

If you could please say why my logic is incoherent? 

Why is IRI blaming the US

Why is IRI blaming the US then?? Why not send a letter to Netanyahu instead of Obama???

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

That's rich. A mass murder

That's rich. A mass murder loving, fundamentally hyprocritical Mousaviite speaking of hypocrisy and double standards...lol

It is difficult to get a man (read reformers) to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.

Upton Sinclair

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

"The revolution of '79 was "hijacked" Tis is a fact and not a

mere asssertion.

Compare and contrast Khomieni's statements under the apple tree in France, and when he got the power. If you don't see two different guys, don't know how else to show you the difference. cheers

Let me add this

A bomb of this kind was obviously difficult to produce. It would be much easier to just stick a bomb that does a lot more damage to his car and get it over with, and this would get a stronger reaction from the public.

Vildemose

What is incoherent about it?

and there's also this article

//www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2104372,00.html

What blows my head, is the fact that nobody in the opposition, seems to suspect that this terror could be really the art of Mossad?

I don't know anything and am not doing any calim here. But given the fact that Mossad has a long history of killing the nuclear scientists in the  region, why nobody wants to give  even a chance to this hypothesis?

They had killed a few nuclear scientists who were helping Saddam to install his nuclear center....

Ari Jaan:

Your logic seems to be getting sloppier by the day. I'm hoping aging has nothing to do with it and you are simply confused like some folks on this site.

From what you have written with regards to the assassination of this Basij member, can I infer you are saying: "Anyone who does not post a message of condolences for the Basiji's family, is condoning all acts of terrorism?" Why the generalization, suddenly?

Did you know millions of people were happy about 9/11. Did their euphoria or silence have anything to do with the fact that those who died there were innocent people?

I heard with my own ears from otherwise respectable and sympathetic individuals statements such as, "So what? They got what they deserved!"  

There are people on this site who condoned shooting to death of Neda Aghasoltan and others, but are now wanting sympathy for this Basij member. A few of the IR's paid agents on this site called Neda, a "streetwalker!" To them it all boils down to one thing: How to safeguard their own interests.

The Fati Commando I was dealing with on this thread wants everyone to beat their chests like monkeys to prove to her kind they condemn terrorism. To her, sloganeering and pretentious sympathy with political overtones is all everyone needs to get along fine with IR murderers.

Ari, this is even easier than the egg-chicken case and which one came first question!

Many have lost dear ones to the policies of the regime. By "regime" I mean the state apparatus and its accessories. The regime has been in power long enough even for the dumbest people to realize that it means business when it comes to killing, its threats of starting a large-scale war or wiping a sovereign state off the map of the world.

As some would like to claim, albeit mindlessly and without a real understanding of the implications of their own assertions, the revolution of '79 was "hijacked" by a group of mullahs and their foot soldiers. As funny as it may sound now, many even came to terms with or forced themselves to accept the idea that mullahs would be running the affairs of their country.

But did it end there? Unfortunately for the majority of Iranians, it did not. Things got completely out of hand and we are where we are now.

We have had a war on our hands for decades and some folks don't seem to have realized it, yet.

Bachehshirazi:  Utterly

Bachehshirazi:  Utterly incoherent reasoning... Don't lose your day job, you are no sherlock Holmes.

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Ari Siletz

=)

The more dead Basijis

The better! No mtter who kills them!  The Basiji are anti Iranian. They kill Iranians on the order of Mullahs.  They are an arm of a terrorist organization the IRGC. Thoes who live by the sword deserve to die by it.  IRI, a terrrorist regime, should not have any access to nuclear technology. Anyone actively engaged in helping the IRI in obtaining nuclear technology should be eliminated- including this basiji "scientist". IRI has no right to nuclear technology. IRI should be eliminated by all means. 

A bunch of useless Tudehi & leftist attacks on us  is not going to change anything. 

Long live Iran & Iranians!

Amazing

Except for the usual suspects here at IC, if one looks at every part of the mass media here in the United States [even more so in Europe], from the New York Times to the left, such as Counterpunch, to even right-wing websites, there is almost unanimous agreement that it is Israel that is behind this series of assassinations [regardless of whether they support and applaud it or condemn it].

But, now that the depth of the hypocrisy and double standards, and the faked nature of the support for human rights, and opposition to terrorism and torture of the IC usual suspects have been revealed, they are trying to find all sorts of absurd "reasons" to somehow justify this heinous act, or at best claim that "their side" did not do it. Let's review some of these:

1. The guy was a Basiji. Fine, but not every Basiji has committed crime, just as not every member of sepaah has. If he has, what? And if it is true that he has committed crimes, what about the due process, which is part of human rights?

2. He was not a scientist. Pure, 100 percent BS. He has published what I consider to be good science papers [his papers are in one of my areas of research, namely, separation of mixtures by nanostructured porous membranes], and he has worked on an important problem related to uranium enrichment.

3. He was killed by the VF regime: Why? What benefit does the regime get from this?

(a) He knew too much: So do at least hundreds of others. 30,000 people work in the nuclear program.

(b) He was opposed to somethings in the nuclear program. So are hundreds, if not thousands, of others involved in the program. I know for a fact - through academic friends in Tehran - that Majid Shahriari and Fereydoon Abbasi voted for Mir Hossein Mousavi and supported him even after the election. Regardless of what anyone here at IC thinks about Mousavi, he is considered by the regime as the enemy. Abbasi is now the head of AEOI, and since his appointment everything has accelerated. Shahriari was the guy who did the computations and design that enabled Iran to enrich uranium from 3.5 percent to 20 percent. When he was killed, and Abbasi escaped, the same type of nonsense was said about those assassinations by the same type of crowd here at IC.

(c) He had changed and was opposed to VF regime: So are also 85 percent of the population. Will it not be easier for VF regime to kill him quietly to not be accused of this? The regime is expert on this.

(d) The regime killed him to benefit in the propaganda war: The regime benefits more - much more - if he is killed by foreigners. The U.S. rushed to condemn the killing. It cancelled its joint military manuevers with Israel. To khod hadith mofassal khan az in mojmal.

Besides, if someone really believes that Roshan was killed by the VF regime, should he/she not use this to condemn the regime, rather than just dismissing the incident as something done by the regime? Will it not be better to say, "you see, this regime kills even its own servants," rather than cowardly attribute the killing to the regime and then be angry why others reject the view?

The bottom line, in my opinion, is:

(i) Terrorism is terrorism, and torture is torture. We do not have two types of them, good and bad. Terrorism and torture do not distinguish between their perpetrators; they do not depend on who or which country uses them. Opposition to the two must be universal, across political and idelogical lines.

(ii) Israel and MEK are responsible for this. Do not ask "proof." We can never see a black hole in the sky, but we know it is there by its effect. Ask yourself: Who benefits most from this? Support Israel and/or MEK as much as you want, but at least criticize them for such heinous acts.

(iii) The U.S. is directly responsible, because it is the most important protector of Israel in international arena, provider of $3 billion aid annually, and shares intelligence with it on everything.

(iv) Those who support de-listing of MEK from the State Department's Foreign Terrorist Organizations list should reconsider their position, if there is an iota of honesty in their brain.

I know that the usual suspects will attack me again, but so be it.

For a complete timeline of the covert war, see

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbure...

See also for public reaction in this country

//video.msnbc.msn.com/hardball/45978020#null

For a comprehensive analysis see,

//viewsonmideast.blogspot.com/2012/01/goading...

Mammad

Souri: Then learn to live with and respect opposing views......

These are the norms of conduct and values at"liberal democrat" societies we all live in and "we" all seem to aspire to acheieve for Iran, right?? Otherwise ask your inner self and see what you want, maybe a society ruled by  a Shah or sheikh dictator is what you really prefer, despite your attacks on shah and ahmadinezhad!

Otherwise learn to question, and listen to questions. Islamic regime has a long history of killing it's own for the sake of political convenience. Did they not blow up beheshti and seventy odd top leadership members of the islamic regime themselves? How about Chamran that anglo mentioned? I can go on... So that makes the regime  also a suspect in this act of terrorism in my eyes. That is what i said in my comment and I gave the reasons......

Now I have really said enough and need to go. As faramarz said, the weather where I live is just too nice to miss, and I need to spend my latest pay check from AIPAC....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

انگلی فعله

Aa a water boy with your low and inferior ranking you ought to stay away from a history you're totally ignorant of.

In your demented sick obtuse mind it would have never occured to you that Chamran was the one who initiated attacks on Kurdestan, and recevied the proper response. while you were busy carrying water, like a good ol little Gunga Din, we were busy fighting him.

Now be a good Gunga and fetch some water, we're thirsty, carry on.

P.S. On a personal note I juss can't make up my mind as to your proper title. Should it be:

1) Bad Gunga Din, or

2) Angal Faaleh?

Which one you like the best?

Detective BacheShirazi

Good observation!

Why?

I will post what I posted in the other article here, because it seems the discussion over this topic has moved to this article.

So I see a lot of people on this site proclaiming that this was a conspiracy and
that Iran is actually responsible. OK, let me show you this article on
the BBC news website.

//www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-165131...

Here is a quote from the article:

"The small, professionally made device was designed to kill its victim but cause only limited damage to the surroundings."

Now if I was the Iranian government, and I wanted to get the public of
Iran angry at America and Israel, why would I use a bomb that only kills
its target and does not do much damage to the sorroundings? Would it
not make more sense to use a bomb that also kills all civilians who were
standing close to the scene? Would that not be more effective to get
the people's support? 

vildmose, the dead bassiji "scientist" did not have a PhD.

He entered Sharif University through a large quota that the Fascist regime has set aside for it's paid  bassij thugs. No enterance exams, nothing. he was "awarded" an undergrad degree in chemistry after four years of "bassij activities" at Tehran university. 

Bassij students at all Iranian universities are there to beat up and report on any dissident students who are there rightly after passing entrance exams.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Roozbeh

I have nothing against you. I am only mad at your frequent statements about this terror.

Maybe my words went farther than my original thoughts, sorry.

Also, my true color has been shown here, from the Day One!

Nothing has changed since then, just you came in this site a bit later than me. Maybe you didn't get the time to read my previous statements.

I have said things against  the shah, and in his defence.

I have said things against Ahmadinejad, and in his defence.

I have said things against religion, and in defence of the Muslims or other religioun follower......

and the list goes on 

رفیق چمران

He would've been in jail today, to say the least.................

دوستان چرا راه دور میرید رفیق چمران یادتون هست؟

Re: " people think that you are a paid agent of AIPAC"

LOL Souri, now you are showing your true colours. Now I understand better why you jump into personal attacks the moment people criticize the islamist regime beyond just a few name callings of a this and that mullah!

Shame on you Souri, Shame on you and people like you who go down to the gutter level of putting Neda's picture next to the a Bassiji scum, to buy a few more miserable years for this hated fascist islamic so called republic.

expect no more response to your vile attacks, I have wasted enough time on you.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

What university did this

What university did this  high ranking basij gave  him his Phd or Pos-doctrate? Where did he train to be a "nculear Scientist"??

A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny.--Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Roozbeh

I am not a waste of time, believe me. Many people (not only in this site  but in the world) think the same as I do.

You better be receptive of their ideas.

FYI, I never launch such claim on the people, based on only one or two comments. This is the result of an overall observation of what you have been saying in the site, since a while.
Do you know that people think that you are a paid agent of AIPAC?

However, I don't believe this.

Really don't appreciate being bundeled up together for nothing

Souri khanom, you still didn't say how you found me in this blog without a single comment from me here.

Ari: Any and all individuals employed by Basij, the shock troops of Islamic Republic of Hell are by definition either directly a terrorist, or a 'respectable' behind the scene terrorist enabler. How could one put the victims of regime; Neda, Taraneh Mussavi,.. with regime's foot soliders on the same level, just buggles the mind.

Hooshang: Gonah kard dar shuoush ahangari

In Ari's blog you have stated :

 "suffice it to say that the  cohorts of the 'victime' (in here) were the ones responsible for the case of Taraneh Musavi, and perhaps a hunderd others we yet don't know about."

For me, Neda was an accidental victim. She was not among the protesters. But she became a symbol of the Iranian atrotities (I agree)

Ahmadi Roshan has been killed with pre-meditation, because he was a nuclear scientist! We don't even know what was his function, exactly. And we don't know who has killed him!

Yes, for me, he is a victim, alike Neda and others.

Souri: You just are not capable of giving a staright answer

 to a straight question, are you??! You launch into personal attacks on people, without reading their commenst in full, let alone understind them.  boro baba to ham, what an absolute waste of time you are....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Faramarz

Actually you are right about my health. I have such a bad grip , right now. I am in the bed.

But this has nothing to do with my attitude about the  terrorism,which  has never changed since i was young.
Read Ari's statement.
He said it in the best way, what I could never express so eloquently,  in English.