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یک مشت  دزد قالتاق دارن مملکت رو میچاپن! ننگ بر همه شون. 

truthseeker

I did read it sure it is an interesting book. Will take me a while to read the whole thing but I get the gist of it. I did not find anything in particular about Iran in it. But a nice analysis of Christian attitude towards nature.

Now about the Iranian culture and its attitude towards animals. Some say we have a disregard for animals; fair enough but a rather serious charge. My response is that it was an Iranian poet who wrote this.

• Mayzar moori ke daneh kesh ast.
• Ke jan darad o jane shirin khosha ast

It is the same culture a different view. There is another poem:

• Yeki dar biyaban sagi teshneh yaft. 
• Bron az ramg dar hayatash nayaft.

I am not going to quote the whole thing. But basically the guy finds a thirsty dog next to a well in the desert. He uses his hat as a bail to get it some water. He is then visited by the angel Gabriel with a message from God. All his sins were forgiven for that act of kindness. Again the message is to respect and be kind to animals.

Did you read my link. It is a scientific experiment and very telling. The whole colonial approach is to destroy the self image of a people. Then move in being superior and take over. None of this of course excuses any person's action of fraud or cruelty. 

For its survival, IRI would...

For its survival, IRI would steal, bribe, blackmail, torture, rape, kill, assassinate, and most importantly squander the nation’s resources on anything and anybody.

Be it the PR firms in Washington DC, London, and Paris or its terrorist cronies in Lebanon, Syria, West Bank, Kabul, or Baghdad! Or, the Russian, east Europeans, and Chinese 5th-rate military and industrial crap!

Rumors have it that one out of every 3 Iranians in California who regularly travels to Iran provide some sort of intelligence on behalf of their fellow Iranians to the IRI regime.

I wonder how many of the 24/7/356 pro-IRI IC contributors actually benefited from this particular theft incident!

VPK

(!) Read my link - it is mostly about Western nations.

"They were saying Iranians are inherently cruel and nasty people. "

So? Perhaps what people meant to say is that the education (religious) and upbringing of most Iranians may lead them to dismiss animals as unworthy and just a tool for man. Attitudes are handed down in generations and we have a long way to go. What surprises me more is your reaction to it and why it bothers you so much that people have this opinion. Let people have their say and don't be too sensitive. Anyway, I'm out of here ... 

this scandal is traced to the very top of islamist regime

And regime is very worried about the comsequences. The fact that the islamist regime leadership have been treating Iran's oil income as their "erse pedar" to be depositted in sectret swiss /london bank accounts is nothing new. But thisone just happened to become public.

So regime is saying this theft  should had never  been disclosed to the public (surprise, surprise)!

also regime is making the ridiculous claim "those who did it", actually spilled the bean on themselves to "tarnish regime's image"!

roo ke nist....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Vildermose Jan

Who is defending the indefensible. Do you mean me or someone else. Why do you folks confuse things. There is a difference between condemning a nation and a person. The person comitting fraud should be punished.

 Unreal...We are to defend

 Unreal...We are to defend the indefensible in the name of patriotism. How did the racist evangelist teabagger mentality spread itself through the IRI apologist brigade in diaspora?

 Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.~~Samuel Johnson

//www.samueljohnson.com/refuge.html

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt

truthseeker

There is no spam in my post. There was a legitimate experiment based on perception. I want people to read about it and find out how destructive it is on a people.

By the way if someone said "blacks or Jews are culturally ...". They would be labeled racist or antisemitic chased out of the place. Why is it alright to say that about Iranians. This is the same *** the Fesenjoon was saying. I am not going to sit back an not respond to these claims. No they were not saying "...beliefs can influence the way people relate to animals". They were saying Iranians are inherently cruel and nasty people. 

Why do you not try saying the same kind of thing about some other race or nation. See what happens. In Europe it will be banned as hate speech; USA will allow it but win you no friends.

Ey ba ba!

VPK, why are you so defensive! People are just saying that cultural upbringing as well as religious beliefs can influence the way people relate to animals. Now stop getting so defensive about Iranians!!! And lets not spam this blog with unrelated matters. First step is to recognise the negative influences on our society, not feel insulted. 

//books.google.co.uk/books?id=M48ZecA9ulIC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=cultural+attitudes+cruelty&source=bl&ots=TlLFBKxjDh&sig=FGlP_cqI53hAvU

RB

Please read my post no one is excusing actions of corruption. No one says this is to be let go. But to single out one nation is wrong. It is proven that people act as expected. If you tell a group they are inferior they act inferior.

I realize some people want to improve Iranians by telling them how bad we are. But it will do the opposite. In order to improve we need to realize we are good people; then we will act it. 

Here is the proof developed by Jane Elliott: 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott#The_exer...

It provides proof that when people are told they are inferior they become so. Hence my opposition to generalization of Iranians. Please read it.

Generally cultures do have different attitudes

I could go into it VPK but I don't really find discussing with people who say "and I am right" productive. So lets agree to disagree. 

Truthseeker

You must be talking about me! Yes I do say that it is human nature and I am right. There are two issues: one is the crime and who did it; the other is blaming a whole nation. 

I am all for prosecuting the guilty. In Iran or anywhere when they are corrupt or cruel. By all means have them prosecuted and punished. If we need more laws put them in. I don't have high hopes for IRI but that is a different matter.

The other part is this nonsense about "we are a bad or savage people". That is wrong. It destroys the self image of people and is not right. I have had many dealing with Iranians and non Iranians. I saw no difference in honesty based on race or nationality. That part is what I am objecting to. Saying Iranians are corrupt implies we are worse than other people. Wrong we are no different. As others pointed out we are like all the others. No more trashing "Iranians" as a race.

RB, It's not just you

It is like making an excuse to say "we're not THAT bad, we're just human". Just came from the animal cruelty blog (bears) where people used the same argument. We need to condemn attitudes that seem to justify some nasty realities that need to be faced and dealt with today (not tomorrow).

Is it just me?

Or does anyone else find that every time the news of yet another scandal/outrage/mess created by the Islamic Republic comes out, some people post "well it doesn't just happen in Iran, it happens in other countries too"?

What is the purpose behind making that statement? Is it because:

- anyone has suggested that Iran is the only country that is being misruled?

- does the fact that some other countries also have appalling regimes mean that we should simply accept and ignore how Iran is being ruled by the IR?

- Is it because they feel speaking out against the IR is un-Iranian? 

- Is the situation some other countries supposed to justify or excuse IR's misdeeds?

I just don't get it. What has the situation in some other countries got to do with Iran? Countries can only improve and progress when their people are able and have the freedom to criticize, point out the shortcomings of their leaders and hold them to account.

That is mainly why 1st world countries are so far ahead of 3rd world countries like Iran. So why are some people here so dead against criticism of the IR, especially when the IR has such an appalling record in not only making a mess of Iran's economy and well being, but also treatment of its citizens?

What can the reason for this anti-criticism stance be, if the anti-critics are not IR supporters?

"people like you...."

seem to be "just fine" with the islamist regime to go about rape and pillaging  my country Iran.

 "people like you" attack those of us who stand by our people in Iran in their fight against islamist fascism.

"people like you" are fooling no one by bringing shah into every conversation.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Roozbeh_Gilani

People like you that keep criticizing and spreading false information around made our country to be what it is right now. Folks like you did the same about shah which created the mess that we must pay for it for years.

"Fraud is not limited to the Iranian government....."

 Well this blog happens to be about Iranian government who is answerable to no one but itself.The same government who executes in public people for petty crime. The same government who steals then "investigates" it's own theft. So what's your problem with that?

Vildmose: the news from syria is getting better and better. Today assad, tomorrow khamenei, ahmadinezhad and their west residing lap poodles :)

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Fraud is all over

Fraud is not limited to the Iranian government. We can see it in European countries and much more in the USA. We already saw the case of Madoff ($70 billions), Enron, and Halliburton and thousands more which the media doesn’t talk about it. What Milani is saying is correct but it has been exaggerated. The same was said about Pahlavi regime which was blown up way out of proportion.

Useful info by AM.

Useful info by AM. Good interview. The audio needs to be improved.

Latest on Syria. It looks like the peaceful protest is turing into an armed struggle. More than 10,000 have deserted the army and have formed "Free Syrian Army"....

 //www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/world/middleeast/at-least-six-protesters-killed-in-syria.html?pagewanted=2

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt