Tony Benn: The drive to war against Iran

Veteran British politician speaking at "Stop the War" meeting

06-Dec-2011
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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

MEK is 3000 not 25000

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

My ideas are for starters not to exaggerate anything. Like turning 3000 MEK into 25,000. Next to be realistic and admit past and present mistakes. Including mistakes Shah and RP made. Stop this nay saying and get an organization.

I already posted in the other blog. There are somethings we could ask from USA. Including guarantees of respecting UN rules. These include respecting Iranian integrity and only a secular government. Maybe America does not want to. But if you put it in front of them openly they have to support it due to public pressure. Once on the record they won't be able to go back from it so simply. The West is making a lot of claims I say get it written up and have them agree to it. Things like secularism and rights for all.

Again I want to stop this worship of the past and fear of "America" or whoever. Why don't other people bring ideas.  


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I agree in a sense it is anti leadership, no deny it,

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

I could sit here and give you ideas but none of them would work against the odds as I see it, you call it fatalistic.  You give me 1 idea that makes sense, by that I mean that you, yourself with a straight face honestly can believe will succeed?  Our problem is we are facing a tyranny in Iran, for real this time, so this means its viscious.  Even a military force will have a hard time and is no guarantee. 2ndly we have the problem of anti-freedom terrorist fighters like mek, 25,000 of them can suppress millions, they are actually not for mullahs, but for the opposition later to control it.  Keeping Mek in mind & due to the Wests relations with Iranian people, no mass movement will do anything if you say it is allied or helped by brits or usa or eu or anyone.  Leaders can't get behind it, even if in a perfect world they legitimately wanted to help iran this time, with MeK people fear otherwise and prefer mullahs to Mek, after what the west did to Iraq, afghanistan, shah trust are you kidding me!  US support for MeK actually closes down all avenues for change, no leader can garner support, regime gets a second wind due to fear of worse.  The only nation that doesn't have a history of betrayal/imperialism/division is China. For now I have no solution I feel with time we may have one, just not today, developments are not favorable or realistic.

Now whats your idea VPK?


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

What fight?

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on

 

I don't see any fights ahead of anyone here other than with each other. I have asked everyone one on this site about idea. From right; left;  monarchist; republican; secular; modssadeghi none got ideas. All I hear is fatalism and hopelessness.

The only group with any ideas is the neocon war types. Which most agree are up to no good. Why don't you people say what your ideas are? Not listening to politicians! Is that an idea; great I turn off my TV. How is that going to help? 

Getting bitter old and complaining is the order of the day. Not one bit of leadership worse it is anti-leadership. If anyone god forbid opens thier mouth to make a suggestion they are shouted down.

 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

We listen to politicians at our peril.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

He is introduced as wanting to stop british imperialism which is said to want to attack iran..... LOL, by wishing to keep the mullahs in power that is 100% british imperialism.  Then he says the Shah was a US Spy?  So why did the USA remove him and kill him?

Their iies are sadly the basis most people form their views on.  Don't be a patsy, that does nothing to help Iran or humanity, we have a tough fight ahead of us if we dream to free Iran of mullahs and restore a Secular Monarchy in service of Irans Interests first, not every other powers above ours.  We are less than no one.