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و تمام.

حال راضی‌ شدید ؟!

Vpk

Let me try to answer your question this way:

The influence that the society has on lives, is not by necessasity a deciding factor on what direction they should choose. Some accept it some don't. so . there.

I am not Glorifying the Southern culture here. I am Just stating that some of the norms you see in other parts of US do not simply exist there. I dont' give a f.. who came from south and please don't even go into this KKK and carter crap. that is not even relevant.

Good. I am glad that you displayed some Moral authority and took matters in your own two Iranian - hard working hands:)) Kudos to you.

I have many americanf friends too, So i know too. You think you know everything because you have been here 30 years so Screw everyone else? Well i have been here a good chunk of time and I know. My god. You use this in all of your comments.  Again as i said it has a lot  to do with  your background. Internet does not tether you to wall and force you to open your mouth and swallow all the filth that there is on it. Many people , from many poor backgrounds know how to behave in a way that prevents them from being preyed on.

Parthian

Every form of Lifestyle and culture?? LOL really. Were you a time-traveller? Superman?  

Living in 5 diff. states and merely travelling around does not qualify you to make any sort of Judgemnet on anything that is related to the culture and lifestyle of poeple, firsst hand!!  How can you not get that? You are after all, just passing through. You are not really LIVING there long enough to get to know everything. Well maybe learning the name of the cross street nearby your house LOL but that is pretty much sums it up. Takes time to really learn the culture of the town or the community you live in, and experience things First hand before passing such definite and strong Judgment. So don't be making stuff up. This is not iran where you can impress people buymaking up stories.

You believe wrong there buddy. I don't even know what crazy notion motivates you to even remotely dare to venture a guess on who does what on IC, just by scribbling a few words here and there in forms of comments. You hang around youth? good Be pa bara bache bazi nageeranet. They are watching Mid easterners nowadays. very closely.

Of course I read what i wrote. What is the big shock in there for you? So just because there is only 5 million of us in here, that necessarily means that we do not deck the clubs more so than the Americans? Get the stick out of you know where.

 Hey. Master debator. Check out what you wrote here:

Americans try to pretend that All the world is as sh!tty as their society just to make theirselves feel better, while in reality such mentality and society would be compared to that of a sick or mentally deranged person anywhere else.

So you do admit that there are Mentally dumb and deranged people in other cultures and degenartes do not specifically occupy America? Wow. what an elegant way to go back on your own words/

And by the way genius  jan: when i said people do their own thing regardless of the society norm. Was not an admission to the  fact that Americans are degenarates. Meant to make a point that Society does not make much of an impact On many people;s lives. Think when you read. it can change your life.

Dear Statira

Please read my 2 comments on this thread. I don't believe that I have said anything that deserves your comment.

As a matter of fact, when it comes to the opposite sex I believe in "Equal Opportunity" and I have zero tolerance for "Quotas."

Faramarz& parthian

Shadravan Shapur Bakhtiar was the greatest patriot and nationalist, he married a French, so does that make him less nationalist or by your logic if he was married to a full iranian like Khalkhali's sister, he would've made a better patriot?

Sepahbod Jahanbani had Russian mother. Did that make him less iranian? Both of these great men were the best Iranians in our history.

Parthian: youre a bit xenophobic.

Best Wishes

To the newly Wed from VPK. 

LOVELY

BEST WISHES TO THE NEWLY WED

Mark

First get a nice American girlfriend; then you'll be bitching and moaning too !  But do yourself a favor and don't marry  her. I wouldn't inflict that onto even you :-) 

Sorry VPK

Yeah, I don't know what got into me. You people are really something. I am so glad not to be like you!

Take it from me, it's wonderful being well adjusted and accepting of things as they truly are.

But again, excuse me for butting into you peoples' perpetual bitch and moaning sessions. 

Doctor Mohandes

People in a society are influenced by it. Do you disagree with me? 

Having a new B or Gf IS not all that matters

It is to some that I know including my ex; her friends; many others I know.

Maybe we should dig up some research on societal values. I go based on my personal experience of 30 years. The values are screwed up. Both "liberated" and "not'.

In the liberated case it is all "me". Woman good; man bad. Try reading some of this:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

Regarding the South an example of the "non-liberated" section. The home of KKK; black lynching and Jimmy Carter. I would not want them as my "show case" of a society. Where blacks did not get to use the same water fountain. Nor to go to the same hotel as whites except as "motreb" or "darbon".

I know people from Texas; some good friends of mine. A big pastime is "topless" bars. Instead of going home to family some go to these bars. Now I am all for freedom. But they took me along *one* time. It was truly sickening. Never went again nor do I plan to. I was asked to go to same vile entertainment on a visit to Oregon. Politely said thanks but no thanks. I rather get drunk on my own!!

In summary:

Society plays a very important role in peoples behavior. Specially where mass media like TV; Internet; and so on are prevalent and powerful. Most kids will do what other kids and their parents do. If you see your parent more worried about their dates than their kids then that sets the stage for the kid to behave that way. I have been married to an American I know first hand. I have many friends who are Americans;I know.  

Mark

Keep out of this. It is a discussion for grown ups :-)

""""""Society is composed

""""""Society is composed of people and there is no way that IT can put itself ahead of anything or anybody. If anything, we are the one who have the will power to choose the right path. one society never behaves in Unison and as one unified force! people do things their own way regardless.""""""

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exactly, you just admitted that most Americans are too stupid, simple-minded, clueless, and lack commen sense to change their degenerate society, therefor, they are a respresentation of this cess-pool degenerate of a society. They have the absolute FREEDOM to change it, but they would rather live on such a stressful environment, take anti-deressant pills, and cry theirselves to death while not face reality and take action.

 I'm glad as hell I'm not American.

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Doctor

 It's you who just accused me of saying " the couple's taste of music, movies, and materials are not important at all" when infact I mentioned that those things shouldn't be the only purpose for the marriage to take place, not that they're not important, but cause there are more important things in marriage other than those, like culture, identity, mentality, values, customs etc... so what are you on about?

I've lived in 5 different states, and traveled to more than 20, I've experienced every form of American culture, life-style first hand and absolutely Most went from crap to total sh!t. It's sad that your most cultured people are the rednecks and trailer trash kkk Members of the south. Any form of "American" culture in this country that isn't useless and pathetic is the amish, and they speak German, and are much more closer to Europeans in terms of culture, and mentality than modern Americans, the rest of the population consists of degenerates.  This is what you get when your society is so media driven, you end up with hookers, whores, douches bags, basically a cesspool of a sick sub-human like people and society.

I believe that you're an older man who hangs around the old generation of Americans, while I on the other hand hang around the youth and younger populace (Anyone From 40 below).

Btw, I don't base my judgment on first hand eperience alone, but on stats, what i see in the media, newspaper, movies etc.... it's you who's basing your judgment on a few, while I base it on the majority. OOO yes, i'm sure Mid-easterners are the only people who go to strip joints even though they are less than 5 million of the population, yes, lets blame them, such an American thing to do. You make so much sense. Do you even read what you write? How do you expect me to debate with such a individual.

Americans try to pretend that All the world is as sh!tty as their society just to make theirselves feel better, while in reality such mentality and society would be compared to that of a sick or mentally deranged person anywhere else.

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Standard and Poor (pirooz0

This discussion is funny.

If these foreigners aren't bitching and moaning about the old country, they're bitching and moaning about being foreigners in their adopted, alien surroundings.

What a pathetic lot.

I agree.first time ever! with  you.I guess Uncle sammie boy needs to pay them a visit and see what all this bellyaching is about::))) Don't want it?  getting too corrupted here for ya? things are getting to tiresome? don't like the culture? done with your days of visiting brothels and what not? then God bless. See ya. don't wanna be ya. Don't let the TSA man at the airport hit ya.

VPK

Society is composed of people and there is no way that IT can put itself ahead of anything or anybody. If anything, we are the one who have the will power to choose the right path. one society never behaves in Unison and as one unified force! people do things their own way regardless. One. always has the power to change course at any time, except of course that person is specially ill or has some particular mental or physical challenges to overcome. Heck. even people who come from traditionally broken families have picked themselves up, got it together and live damn great lives/

You are wrong on so many levels. Having a new B or Gf IS not all that matters. How is so? Just based on one lousy case? Hiow many times have you been down to Deep southern states and observed their way of lives? Go and see with your own two eyes, it aint so. The people , the supreficial ones you are talking about, can be found all over Europe as well.

I disagree with you On the role that the society plays in this.  Not al people do what they see others doing, that is just such outrageous generalization,. That is like saying everyone in iran beleives what AN Believes.

Parthian

never said someone's taste in music, movies, materials doesn't matter at all, I said that marriage shouldn't only be based on such things. Of-cource it's important to have the same taste in music and so on, but it's much more important to have the same values, culture, mentality when approaching problems etc.. in a marriage. Now you're just trying to act dumb on purpose

Well Duhh! I knew that is not what you said,. I meanwhat kinda Idiot will base a marriage on those and those alone!!  If It seems that i am acting dumb on purpose, You should look into whom i am debating this subject with. If you are smart enough, you will recognize where the idiocy originates from.

No, Parthian. There is nothing wrong with Americans in general, It is the Generosity that they have shown that has been taken advantage of and taken to the extreme. Now, That everyone is done doing whatever shitty thing they have wanted to, all of a sudden it is Americans who are the dirty ones?

Of-cource I agree witht the fact that just cause the society is like this doesn't give us the right nor excuse to blame it if someone copies the useless American way of life, Americans are too dumb and clueless to understand such things

The society is like this? as in You have been all over the country and done a survey and know for sure, every single american or the majority are cheating on their spouses and living a incestous life? How shallow can you get?

Stop saying nonsensical things. Iranians are not saints and make mistakes and have made shamless mistakes, more so than americans (that you may have not heard of) and they do not necessarily right from wrong and to say that If that was not the case they would be still following the mollahs and blah blah is such a chilidish thing to say.

I enjoyed watching it

I enjoyed watching those beautiful women dancing in a shy way (specially those with a little more meat in the hip area - in Iran the word for it is FARBEH).

Well, Someone's butt-hurt

I just accept America for what it is socially and politically, and I tell it like how it is. Why are some American, cough sargooz, cough cough, people so sensative to critism when it comes to their society and country, the U.S Of A?

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This discussion is funny.

This discussion is funny.

If these foreigners aren't bitching and moaning about the old country, they're bitching and moaning about being foreigners in their adopted, alien surroundings.

What a pathetic lot.

Prophet is right to an extent

Doctor, Americans are usually too dumb to realize that their society is a cesspool, they would rather actually blame everyone and everything else rather than their own society that they created by their stupidity. Of-cource I agree witht the fact that just cause the society is like this doesn't give us the right nor excuse to blame it if someone copies the useless American way of life, Americans are too dumb and clueless to understand such things, they were and still are raised like this, but I expect more from Iranians. Coming from Iran you should always be able to tell the difference bewteen negative and positive influences, if this wasn't the case then Iranians would be following the mullahs and blowing theirselves up by the thousands.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Doctor Mohandes

I disagree. Society norms play a huge part in how people behave. If a society puts self ahead of children and family then divorce goes up. If they put children above others then it won't. 

I know several Americans who divorced simply because they wanted fresh sex partners. One woman told me "the passion was gone". I asked her: what about your kids. She said: they will get used. This is something I would never do. Put my genitals above my children? No thanks. However that is just what the society here does. A new boyfriend or girlfriend is all that matters. Sure there are times when a marriage should break. But not just because you get tired of sex with the same old partner. It is superficial and bad.

In short: it may not be just the society but it has a HUGE influence. People do what they see others doing.

In addition it depends on the American sub-culture. Is it "Anglo"; "Latino"; "Asian"; "Indian" all make a difference on divorce rate.

60% percent of first

60% percent of first marriages, 72% of second and 84% of third marriages end in divorce in the U.S , according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Doctor

I never said someone's taste in music, movies, materials doesn't matter at all, I said that marriage shouldn't only be based on such things. Of-cource it's important to have the same taste in music and so on, but it's much more important to have the same values, culture, mentality when approaching problems etc.. in a marriage. Now you're just trying to act dumb on purpose.

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مبارک باشه!

Aghaye VPK

It is not the Society that ruines marriages. Heck, I know of couples who have stayed together (married) under the worse possible conditions, economically and otherwise. Why do we blame the society all the time? The devil made me do it??? it is You have got the Control and The reesh and Gheychi is in your hands. If you think the society is having a negative impact, then its time you adjusted your own "variables" and get them to stablize.

parthian

Marriages in any part of a world are a laughing matter and i for one don't believe that it is only here in The US that most of the divorces occure. Nowadays, Divorce Rates in iran are skyrocketing as well. with even more distasteful consequences.

Your Life Your choice of marriage. But as i said, Marrying somoeone in your own race does not guarantee anything. You even made a point of mentioning this , and that a True iranian who wants to remain close to his culture and wants to maitain his ties to his or her heritage won;t step outside these boundaries. That was my objection. That was not a fact.

Well, You'd be surprised to see how some issues that may seem minor, will matter the most when the married life begins actually. Those seemingly unimportant differeces of taste in music and all other stuff can come back to bite one in the hiney, in the most unimagineable of ways. So, even though you share the same identity and come from the same background you still could have these minute differences and that can not be good at all. So, you see, it is more  about learning to work things out Ultimately than anything else.

foolish thing? since when it is foolish to be influenced by the certain lifestyle that you see and are accustomed to after a while, particularly when you have lived all your life in there? This is your Basis for coming out withyour grand conclusion of True vs Fake Iranian? Do you know you are insulting those who have lived all their lives abroad?

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Did you get the info out your behind? No, Did you want me to Though? Do you always start off so elegantly? A strongly cultural thing maybe?

I'm wondering. Americans to me are one of the most self-obsorbed people I've ever met. They only care about their own self-interest, they view their kids as a burden on them who only keep them back from achieving their dreams or goals. This is your america buddy, I suggest opening your eyes to it. it's actually Iranian men just joking and having a laugh at these issues while American men go around to other women, wh@re houses, and strip joints. Where the hell do you live? This isn't the 1950's anymore. Even back then it was pretty common amongst Americans. 

Eassyyy there cowboy. eaasyy. calm down. Nafas bekesh yekam.

Americans are or might be a little more self-obsessed than people of other nationalities, But You obviously have not Gotten it after living here for many years that they are encouraging independence and self-suficiency in their children, Rather than seeing off because they are a burden to them. They have never blamed them for anything, Unless they are parents who are druggies or Drunk and did not know what the hell they were sayingh. The decent kind, Just like any other decent parents in the world, Ensure to provide for their kids in every possible way even when they go away to school or college some even after they get married.

Yes, indeed this  america, My america! and yours too since you are earning an income here and therefore making a living, however temporary this maybe, and this income is contributing to yours and your children's future and welfare.

I have lived in many respectful communities in my whole duration of stay in USA, and been to so many clubs only to see thatthe majority of the patrons are rich and sometimes poor (cab drivers... waiters) Middleeastern background , practically begging for a girls' attention,. and Not that i have been to the WH's, But again Their "moshtarees" are mainly Iranians and middle easterns. You did not realize this? Did you have your eyes closed?

Being uber

nationalist myself I will say marriage does not equate to nationalism. Yes there may be some overlap but not always. In addition I know of some Iranian men who went back; got Iranian wife and it  did not last. It is too bad but will happen.

The American society ruins marriages. Iranian men and women are subject to it just like anyone. We may be a bit more resistant but are not immune. So if you think Iranian wife means lasting marriage; thing again.

lovely

Good luck to both of them

Doctor

Did you get the info out your behind? I'm wondering. Americans to me are one of the most self-obsorbed people I've ever met. They only care about their own self-interest, they view their kids as a burden on them who only keep them back from achieving their dreams or goals. This is your america buddy, I suggest opening your eyes to it. it's actually Iranian men just joking and having a laugh at these issues while American men go around to other women, wh@re houses, and strip joints. Where the hell do you live? This isn't the 1950's anymore. Even back then it was pretty common amongst Americans. 

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Doctor

Marriage isn't a joke, especially when you start having kids. Most marriages in America turn into disasters, then you got the parents spilliting up and dire consequences for the kids later on. I've seen this amongst my American friends growing up.

I'm not saying inter ethnic or national marriages won't work, I'm sure some do, but we're talking about the majority, MOST, and that's what matters, not the minority. Man, even most same race American/western marriages don't work. This is more of a cultural issue than racial, don't think I'm that stupid. Further more, I don't care how much I have in common with someone else outside my own group, I'm gonna get married to someone closest to me culturaly, nationality, values, in terms of identity and so on. 

 I listen to American music, Rap, Rock, metal etc... and watch more American movies than Iranian one's, doesn't mean I'm gonna go marry an American girl, hell, I listen to Arabic music sometimes, I'm still not gonna go marry an Arab girl. This is why Marriages end in disaster, when people base their relationships on materialistic subjects, media, or Music etc... When in reality they should be basing it on their identity, culture, values, customs etc...

Btw, If someone is marrying outside there own then there's much more chance that they've been influenced greatly by that country and it's life-style, and most of the time, it's mainly based on foolish things like taste in music, media, Materials, when they should be basing it on other important things. so this is very much a fake Iranian wannabe vs a true cultured Iranian matter.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"