Pictory

and talking of inconsistency!!

More babble talk from "my-grandma-was-my-witness" historian:

"... if you are under attack in a war, there is no choice but to fight."

and was it not how GW Bush justified his invasion of both Afghnistan and Iraq? Can't see much consistency for an anti-Bush babbler to take up Bush's doctrine of just war!!

As for the rest of the babbling, well we need some amusement from time to time so keep up the twaddle.

Farah

Dear hermaphrodite!

You have been reduced to total delirium :))  Good to see that happening to a woman basher ;) I never doubted that you were a hypocrite and on a bit of a scrutiny were incapble of following a logical debate, but this degree of of inconsistency and spewing nonsense is quite amusing ;)

 For your information, if you are under attack in a war, there is no choice but to fight.  Reza Shah was not under attack from women he violated.  He was the king and used his authority undemocratically to push in a piece of violent social engineering to remove women's hedjab SPEEDILY and AGAINST THEIR CONSENT!   The contradiction that you see derives from your high arrogance and your low comprehension, from your pretense to progressiveness to your contempt for democracy ;) 

Have a look at the recent Iranian feminists' statement regarding their rights to their body and choice of attire. 

Your grandma (part 2)

For someone who has to resort to the memory of his poor grandma in an effort to sound convincing, as if others had no grandmas!, it is not so surprising to resort to name calling and shouting empty and out of date slogans when cornered into a dead end. All those self-righteous claims like:

"I will not go into a sociological discussion on this issue here because we are fundamentally disagreed over the issues of human rights and ethics: There is no such thing as "liberating violence"!!! "

 are reduced to : "War sometimes is the necessary evil for defensive purposes" !!!

Well, so much for human rights and so much for ethics!!

Reza Shah does not need advocates. His shining deeds and services to his country cannot be obscured by the cobwebs woven by those who hopelssly ignorant and contradictory berate him.

Farah

Statira - Regarding your grandma!

It seems that perhaps your victim status has gone below that of your grandma's, in that hedjab has fallen on your mind; you do not see the obscenity of coercive acts of social engineering, the immorality of it, as well as the inevitable violent and regressive outcome, as was demonstrated in the fact of Khomeini coming to power on the back of population's reaction to coercion and dictatorship.  As for similarity to Khomeini, it seems that in spirit you are your grandma's true son/or daughter.  May god bless her.

For me neither Reza khan, nor his son are viewed as black and white.  I do not idolize or disparage their reign.  But it seems that for you and your cohort, in your haste to condone errors and wrong-doings you in fact become incapable and lame in offering a true and genuine defense of their services. 

Now go back to your hate campaign. 

Fouzul, Ur Grandma

My grandma mentaly was something like Khomeini and I don't think yours was any better by just judging her grandson or grandaughter!!

What a stench

"If you haven't heard of the horrid stories of German, Polish, Czech and Slovanic women who were raped by their Russian liberators then some reading wiil do you good.

 Americans and Brits were not so innocent either."  

Poor Reza Khan with an advocate such as you!

 Mr "Rusta", With your model of liberation, I don't feel the need to add anything, nor any inclination to be engaged in a conversation with you.  War sometimes is the necessary evil for defensive purposes, but to condone Reza Khan's violence on women by comparing it to the pillage and rape by allied forces, is disgraceful.  You seem not perturbed by the idea of collateral damage, the use of violence, and contempt for democracy, in which case in relation to the current regime, you personally have no leg to stand on.  You use the same methods and understand each other's language of violence and rape.

I salute all

women everywhere specially in Iran who have to fight injustice. My hat's off to the brave women of Iran who are resisting tyrrany in the most difficult conditions.

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IRAN FIRST

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And same goes for ignorance

 "And did the allied forces abuse and beat up and manhandle those they were trying to save?!!!  "

If you haven't heard of the horrid stories of German, Polish, Czech and Slovanic women who were raped by their Russian liberators then some reading wiil do you good.

 Americans and Brits were not so innocent either.

But is it not telling that after three decades of savagery done to women in the name of religion, there are still people who, forzen in their backward mindset, put the suppresion of women under the IRI on the same level with the emancipation of women in the Pahlavi era?

And then we ask why Khoemini and his gang have ruled Iran despite all that has been done?

Farah

Delusion has no bounds !!

"If Europe was not liberated by the forceful action of the allied forces, Nazis were still ruling that continent" as an analogy to Reza Khan's coercive banning of hedjab!!!  And did the allied forces abuse and beat up and manhandle those they were trying to save?!!!  

Sid Sarshar :)

That was brilliant!

My great-grandma, when she saw television first time, she was very suspicious of it, and looking back, she was damn right ;) 

Religions are not about rights. They are about rules.

The women who abided by the rule of the clregy and their twisted interpretation of Islam, had no rights to decide for themsleves.  Their decisions were made for them by the religiously appointed superior species, meaning a male be it their father, their elder brother, their husband and more commonly their mullah. Iranian women before Reza Shah had no opportunity to express their yearning for freedom. The tyranny of the turban and their corwned puppets (Qajar rulers) deprived them from such rights. The blind female followers of the mullahs had no problem with the dictatorship of the clregy. The same women whose next generation embraced Khomeini some fifty years after the emancipation. Only a forceful liberator like Reza Shah could have initiated that change. And change he did initiate.  

And please spare us the pseudo-pacifist lectures. If Europe was not liberated by the forceful action of the allied forces, Nazis were still ruling that continent. Gandhi and MLk, much that I rever them, were no not fighting a savage religious tyranny, They were up against a political one.

Farah

While we are comparing Grandma’s....

I remember my Great Grandma living with us when I was a young boy, she must have been in her 80’s.  This was in the early days of television.  In those days there were only a few hours of programming per day and it would start by playing the national anthem while displaying a B/W image of the Shah.  My Great Grandma would quickly call out our names to close the kitchen door so the Shah does not see into the kitchen :-)

Statira - Regarding your grandma!

The issue here is not hedjab, the issue is firstly the use of coercion and violence to push a person or a society in a direction, and secondly the arbitrary undemocratic way in which it was carried out.  As  a matter of fact, as DK pointed out, this wanton act made hedjab into a symbol of resistance and defiance against Mohammad-Reza Shah, handed to his opponents by his own father ;)  You know your own grandma, but watch your language and keep off mine.

In the Meantime in Iran:DEath Sentence for Kurdish Woman

Death Sentence Issued for Female Kurdish Political Prisoner: Shirin Alam Holi

//www.payvand.com/news/10/jan/1194.html

You've probably heard

the saying: "People rise to their potential".

One can look at today's Iran and say: hey, people want this ass backward regime, people want to be ruled by an iron fist, lied to, violated, they want their judicial system to be based on 7th century arab mentality, their women do not care if they are systematically treated as 1/2 that of a man, etc... that is their potential. Afterall, it is what they had a "revolution" for.

However, the few years when our country had crawled out of 7th century mentality and darkness seem to contradict that. Again, I am not a monarchist, but consider the Pahlavi era a bright spot in post-Islamic Iran (Persia).

NO, I've never lived in LA and I'm not from there.

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IRAN FIRST

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Who cares what ur Grandma thought of Reza shah?

Reza shah was a bright man who knew w/o liberating women, Iran had no chance of progress. My Grandma was the same as Ur Grandma,  stupid and resistant to change. Our grandmas and grandpas were Khomeinis generation. See what their ideology did to Iran.

Amazing Footage

Dastet Dard Nakone Dariush.... Thanks for sharing your archive with us. Very unique!

koja boodeem, koja oftadeem

On our way to reclaom our glorious persian past when once again the Tazi's stepped in and stopped us.  to the day when we can through these tazi Mullahs out and reclaim our homeland.

FYI/An Afghan Love Story (1970's)

A Few Scenes from "Mojasema Ha May Khandand" showing Modern Afghan Women in the 1970's :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnv_ZazcFvM

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSwm4yBu6zg&feature=related

What's insulting is Your Nihilistic mindset after 30 years ...

Added to your ignorant and clueless comments ...

You people had 30 years to talk Shit without allowing others to express themselves or contradict you. Closing an Indulgent eye on all the executions in the name of your Stinky Revolution. To this Day You don't even have the slightest decency of being accountable for YOUR OWN POOR CHOICE But  Expect that from others ?

Khejalat Ham Khoub Cheezeyeh !

Maybe instead of repeating the same Crap like Marg Bar Een or Marg Bar Oon you should start putting some LIFE and LIVELY WORDS into your Obsolete Death Wishing Vocabulary and Nihilistic mindset.

Stupidity has No Boudaries, you bet!

Mr. DK! I merely expressed an opinion here but it seems I touch a nerve and caused you to write a lengthy reply and insult my intellect. Just because I posed some questions and preferred if some women had answered them.

Aparently no one can say marg to your idol. There are a lot of things that I'm not sure about in this world, but there is one thing that I'm absoutely certain. Your idol was a "setamgar."

Sorry, my mistake. I forgot this blog is your personal property to insult anyone who does not see the world in black and white as you do.

FYI/Afghanistan at the same Time before Soviet Invasion

Testimony of British Tourists in Afghanistan and Iran - Travel Stories From The 1970's

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_greF3tTU

Before The Dawn: Afghanistan in Peace

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWaxHhRF0Ts&feature=related

Dear ghlam-doon

you saw what you wanted to see, watch the clip again.

ghalam-doon maybe you need eye glasses ...

To begin with this is not a News report but a promotional film. On the otherhand A close look at the video you will notice what anyone who lived in Iran at the time could observe: Women with Roosary or without working side by side : in Traveling shot at  4 min 07.

To be in such a state of Denial of the obvious is either the result of your young age (for which you would be forgiven ) or simple intellectual dishonesty which is unforgivable if you are indeed of the same generation as me ( 40 upwards) or older. And this has nothing with being a monarchist or republican or fond of any other ideology for that matter.

Having lived in Iran at the time, I can vouch that No one was ever forced into not wearing the Hejab or Tchador. Women and Men were free to wear what they wanted, listen what they wanted as music and civil liberties Iranians had at the time were abundant not only to today's standards but in comparison to many other nations including those in Eastern Euope, Asia or Africa not to say the middle east.

My own grandma was deeply religious and was all the time in a tchador to my father's dissappointment like many of my aunts who were not particulalry coming from traditional backgrounds but who practiced religion by loyalty to their faith very much like christians in France who continue to go to church.

Mohamed Reza Shah's policies were extremely tolerant towards such practices unlike during his father's reign. It was probably his major mistake for it backfired in 1979 with Iranian women in their great majority choosing to wear the hijab in a sign of protest towards the Shah's regime like millions of other clueless male compatriots only to be forced to keep it on with the first islamic laws voted by the democratically elected Parliment of the Islamic Republic.

If people male or female should always have more expectations to bettering their lives and particularly in terms of civil liberties ( much of which were already aquired during the Shah's Reign) including political freedom ( less prominent during the last Shah's regime than in western Democracies, yet far more present than under anytime in the past 30 years of this UnIranian Theocracy) the minimum to achieve them is to acknowledge what you already have in order to move forward.

It is precisely the type of reaction you display today which was the weackpoint of the Iranian intelligenstia prior to the disastrous revolution of 1979. One that led to relinquishing all our civil rights by Oghdeh for the Pahlavis and hailing the rule of Religious laws and medieval backwardness that sacrificed an entire generation to the thugs who are ruling us today. 

Such level of intellectual dishonesty is truly Shameful and so typical of that Namak Nashnas Generation of 1979 which will be doomed in the History of Our nation for their Irresponsible behavior which seems to linger on amongst a minor few today. 

Maybe Reza Shah and his son should have worked towards mainaining Iranians in the same state as they found it that is like Afghanistan today. Even the Poor Zahir Shah pursued similar aims at modernizing his country Afghanistan and mentalities inspired by Iran at the time but to great resistance by the religious and old traditions.

Stupidity has No Boudaries and is ageless I am afraid ... 

Other side of the coin

So what happened to other half who deicded to keep their chadors for religious reasons? What happened to those who decided not to join this liberating movement? What happened to those who did not need a man to tell them what to wear?

I looked through these pictures and did not see any sign of them. I did not see them expressing their opinions or working at these factories.

As the saying on the streets of Tehran goes:

"Marg bar setamgar, che Shah baashe che Rahbar!"

Once again....

چه بودیم و چه شدیم.

Dear DK

I did ask my mother today on the phone.  She is 87 years old.  Her grandmother (!!) went to Maktab and learnt to read the Qoran and as a by-product learnt to read Farsi too.  She was taught to read the Shahnameh by her father at home.  As a child I used to sit under her Qorsi and she read me Kayhan-e Bachcheha.  Later we read my books together.  May god bless her soul.   

Her daughter, my grandmother, too went to Maktab to read Qoran but she was also tutored at home by a women teacher who taught her Qoran and reading and writing in Farsi.  I know even at that level, this was more the exception rather than the rule. Educational institutions for ordinary people and universal literacy are a modern phenomenon and not just in Iran.  Their absence is not solely due to religious restrictions but also related to general level of social wealth and development.   

Dariush

I will ask my mother next time I talk to her and will tell you.  I would have imagined it was education at home. She was a very intelligent woman who lived into her late 90's and was no-one's fool, neither the Monarchs with their dictatorial ignorant designs nor the mullahs with their bigotry and violence.

Farah - Enlightened women are those who believe it to be their decision whether or not to wear hedjab.  My grandmother who lived into her late 90's was a liberated woman who abhored violence, dictatorship and colonial rule most of all!!!  She was no-one's fool, neither the violent monarchs nor the violent clergy.  

I will not go into a sociological discussion on this issue here because we are fundamentally disagreed over the issues of human rights and ethics: There is no such thing as "liberating violence"!!!  The IR too has justified its violence against women and the population at large as something "necessary" and in the cause of "ultimate good"!   

Wow, Dr "Mahindokht ?"

Who is this lady at 2;48 minute, what a gem, a true gem. Look at the way she speaks Parsi without one foreign or Arabic word in her speech yet so masterfull in reciting the ancient Iran & the women role in it .Where are women like her today who can command attention? .Is there a drought..all I see is chador cgaghchool ommatie zainabs or Iran-hater ideologues on the media.. wow..great character.. Cheers & thanks Darius jaan !!!

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

Your grandmother ...

may God bless her, had chosen to succumb to the induced ignorance enforced upon the women of Iran by the immensely more violent clergy. But there were enlightened women who needed a forceful supporter to release them from that imposed ignorance. Unlike your grandma they had chosen to resist being intimidated by the mullahs. It takes a force to oppose another force. Thank God for Reza Shah, and later Mohammad Reza Shah the clergy were defeated, albeit temporarily. The Iranian women found a short but rewarding period to shine and prove their true and long suppressed values. Even three decades of clerical tyranny has failed to kill their liberated spirit. There is no turning back.

Yes the violence of some seventy five years ago was fundamentally different from the violence of today. The former was liberating, whereas the latter is suppressing. I am sure your grandma, bless her soul, would have agreed. 

Farah