Iranian of the Day

Fair

Thank you Fair. I want the same things are you.

So until we secularists who say nice things cannot present a concrete road with a plan and assurances that Iran will stay intact, in one
piece, and no foreign influence will be allowed in the future government, we have to be open to other roads, roads that we don't like.

We do have an interim constitution that DavidET has put together. That is a good starting point. I welcome other ideas and plans as well.

As for guarantee of Iranian integrity we cannot assure integrity . But Obama can! Foreign nations listen to US. If Obama were to say Iran stays in tact the others will follow. We should start lobbying the US and Obama.

We should try getting Obama to make a speech:

• State that the USA recognizes the inviolability of territorial integrity of Iran.
• State Iranian internal affairs should be handled by Iranians.

These points specially the first one.will take us a long way towards it. We should get our lobby groups to work on it. We need to put aside differences and get NIAC; PAAIA to lobby for the above. We should also write letters to news papers and so on.

Pahlevan, Xerxes, VPK

Pahlevan Jan thank you for your kind comments. And everybody, I am very glad to see, at least we agree in general where we want to go. It is a question of how to get there, and as you can see, there are no nice clean answers, and all roads are costly. This is not a multiple choice question that we have the luxury of just picking, there are no good options. All tyrannies have been in power partially because of the fear of weak central government and internal collapse, it is part reality part a trick, but we have to address this. So until we secularists who say nice things cannot present a concrete road with a plan and assurances that Iran will stay intact, in one piece, and no foreign influence will be allowed in the future government, we have to be open to other roads, roads that we don't like. I am also glad Xerxes points out some uncomfortable realities about our culture, which we do have to come to grips with.

Let us unite for the best result possible for Iran and Iranians on 22 Bahman. We are marching towards freedom, and never forget that my friends.

-Fair

XerXes

1) The partition argument is  used to scare people and stop progress. We  have to move forward.Is there danger? Yes! We just have to face it. If baby steps mean go from AN to Karroubi I am not impressed. Besides we tried that under Khatami. It did not work. I had a lot of hope then. But the leadership proved they will not let even a baby step like Khatami to work. They will simply do a minor reform to shut up to protesters. Then go back to business as usual.

2)  As for the revolution I don't think IRI was what people wanted.

• A large group were leftists. They were heavily influenced by the Soviet Union and came mostly from middle class families. This had nothing to do with Iranian ways and everything to do with KGB influence.
• Khomeini told gullible people that they are going to get free electricity; free transportation and so on. If people knew what would happen to the  economy they would have never gone for the revolution.
• There were some excesses on TV with too much sex. That could have easily been handled by telling them to tone it down. We did not need a revolution to remove suggestive ads for the tv.
• The most important part is the influence of Britain and the Carter administration. They funded and promoted Khomeini. That was the real cause of the revolution

If the IRR leadership loves Iran then they would remove themselves; dissolve VF and create a real democracy. That will minimize the real dangers you mention. But they won't. It is not up to you or I. People don't want the Islamic republic. So it will go.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

The problem with what we had was that it did not carry Iranian value system. That's not my word or my taste. I have no problem not having religion and backward tradition in our culture and daily routines. When I think of Shah, I think of bright and happy past. But that's not what people wanted. The truth is that many people in Iran are jealous of one another and can't stand success for their own neighbor. When certain Iranian class flourished and economy began to blossom, Iranians wanted a piece of the wealth, so they took the entire nation down. That's why I think Iranians need to come to grip with their own culture and values. There is no way in hell that Iranians sit and enjoy a secular democracy right now. Believe me when I tell you that it would be civil war or even separation of Iran. We need baby steps. Inside the system we have reformists who are promoting Jame'eye madani, Civil rights, women rights, and mardomgrayee. They have to have the pasvand of Islamic for the sake of the name establishments in the country. I don't want all this work to go down the drain. If reformists win, we can reach democracy in time, by the next decade or so, realistically. I don't expect you to agree or understand my point, but that's Iran to me.

XerXes.

I am also looking for that Iran, but realistically at this point I appreciate the reformists in the Islamic Republic. Ultimately I want Iran to be secular. However baby steps would secure Iran from evil anti Iranians.

Why? Iran was secular until 1979 and overnight Khomeini Islamised it. We should do the reverse. People should be free of VF and Islam. 
As for evil anti-Iranians I think the IRR has a lot of them including Khamenei and AN. Not to mention the "cause head" left wingers. They want to start WW3 and pay for it with iranian blood.

By definition a lot of Iranians are against the
Islamic Republic but they are willing to keep the system for the sake of security, independence, and lack of realistic alternatives.

How can you say that! There is an obvious alternative. It is called: secular democracy. We even have an interim constitution. It is a fine alternative: read it.

Basically IRR has its chance. Khatami had his. They messes up ; now is time for change. No  more half baked compromises which keep the Islamic structure. IRR and theocracy must go.

Fair that's fair

I am also looking for that Iran, but realistically at this point I appreciate the reformists in the Islamic Republic. Ultimately I want Iran to be secular. However baby steps would secure Iran from evil anti Iranians. It's not just chaos that I am worried about but also separation of Iran to smaller states. By definition a lot of Iranians are against the Islamic Republic but they are willing to keep the system for the sake of security, independence, and lack of realistic alternatives. Khatami is a great man and at this time I agree with Mousavi because Khatami is behind him.

Dear Fair

I amazed by your ability to forgive and your willingness to get along with even the most repulsive kind of people. Let me just tell you that if you were a presidential candidate in a future democratic Iran, you would have my vote.

I understand your desire for unity against tyranny, I am 100% with you on that one. And believe me, though not as forgiving as yourself, I try to be democratic and accept people with differing views. And if this "xerxes" character had just expressed his support for Khatami (or any other reformist) I would not have replied to him as I did. However, the phrase "dorud bar jomhurieh eslami" left no room for common ground. IRI is a totalitarian system that is based on excluding overwhelming majority of Iranians from the political power structure. It excludes religious minorities, women, seculars like you and me & essentially anyone who is opposed to "asleh velayateh vaghih". You can't really reason with these sort of people who are living in the west yet support this barbaric system called IRI, its like trying to reason with members of KKK.

Our support for a secular republic, on the other hand, by default implies our support for including everyone in the future political power structure of Iran. In a secular republic, Mousavi & Reza Pahlavi are both free to form their political parties and participate in free elections, however I am afraid neither of them will be getting my vote ;).

Mokhlesim,

Pahlevan, 

Xerxes apology accepted and no hard feelings

whatsoever. But I do happen to agree with Pahlevan that the movement is broader than Mousavi and Karoubi. This is just my opinion but I see many inside and outside Iran that share this opinion.

I would ask that we all please refrain from turning on each other and finding common ground. Iran is much bigger than Khamenei as many like him have come and gone. And make no mistake, one day (hopefully soon) he will be gone too. We all want change, whether we are "pro system reformsists", revolutionaries, "secular greens", and any other label du jour. The question is, how do we live together tomorrow? Do we want to be like virtually every other transition in our history and replace one gang with another, which will rule over the majority? Or do we finally want to enter the modern world truly and have a pluralistic system? Now is the time to decide, and the best opportunity to practice.

I suggest let us not focus on the "who", but the demands we can agree on. I think it is safe to say that everybody in the Green movement wants our basic rights, and Mousavi has issued a 5 point set of demands which are the bare minimum. Others outside have an expanded list, and so on. I think we should try to remember what our goal is- TO WIN OUR BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS as enshrined in the universal declaration of human rights.

I look forward to an Iran where neither Khatami or Mousavi or leftists or mellis or melli mazhabis or mazhabis or Reza Pahlavi or any Iranian who has not commited crimes are considered "the enemy" (a term I am sick of hearing), but just Iranians with different opinions. The only enemy of Iran in my opinion is the person who oppresses Iranian people and uses violence against them- whoever that may be under whatever name. And I hope and pray that we get there as peacefully as possible. Remember the lessons of South Africa and great men like Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu.

-Fair

excuse of "I was taking following orders" does not fly anymore

XerXes,

During World War II and also in the Yugoslavian breakup wars, many were put on trials for crimes against humanity.  The officers/soldiers excuses were "they were just taking orders", but that defence has not work.  

The officers/soldiers/police are supposed to be human beings and they have a choice.

Xerxes

I am a bit confused.  Are you calling me a Jew hater, an Arab hater or both? Just so that you are clear, here is my stance, so you don't get confused anymore:

1) I admire many things about Jews and dislike somethings about them.  I am 100% for the existence and sovereignty of the State of Israel.  Having said that, I also believe Palestinians should have their own sovereign State without interference from Israel or ANYONE else.

2) I am generally neutral about Arabs but abhor/hate Arabs who are fanatic Muslims who believe everyone should become a Muslim or else and want Sharia' law to rule the world.  There is NOTHING about Arabs that I like or admire.  I do not like Arab culture and heritage mainly because women are oppressed in these cultures.

3) I believe in God and pray to him/her regularly but strongly against organized religion.  I also believe religion of Islam has been like a terminal cancer for the country of Iran and Iranians as an ethnicity.

Are you clear now buddy?   If you like Khatami or Mousavi as your leaders, why have you selected the ID Xerxes?  Just curious

To bachenavvab

Chaakereh bachaahaayeh Jonoob Shahreh Tehraan ham hastim; Ghorboon ejaazeyeh maa ham dasteh shomaas!. 

P.S. Xerxes, with your anti-Iranian mentality I didn't expect you to agree with me.

Y is his uniform's ghopeh, Zahaki style?! Birds taking a dump?!

Everything is sacred.

Pahlevoon, Rokhsat

Indeed, Gol Gofti!  Such insightfull comments are few but very encouraging when read.  Going back to this JALLAD Hamedani.  I can't help but to picture him in the court of the people answering to the same people he is threatening and calling foreigners. I wonder what he would say in his own defense.  Maybe "sheytoon goolam zad!" 

Fair ,Veiled Prophet of Khorasan, Pahlevan Panbeh

Fair, My apologies to you as I have misunderstood your comment. Just remember that most of these guys are taking orders and in most countries that's the way it is. So the backward conservatives are at fault not him.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan, that's fine.

Pahlevan Panbeh, you are wrong in your analysis and I disagree with you.

Xerxes.

Mousavi leader of the Green movement?, where have you been?, leader of the green movement is the collective wisdom of the Iranian people and not some "sacred leader". Mosuavi and Karoubi are the ones being led by the Iranian people; they were pushed by the people to confront Ali Geda (Khamenei), a strategy that weakened the regime internally to the point where it is on the verge of collapse (brilliant strategy eh?). Khatami (Roobaaheh Kaseef), finally realized what's really happening, and positioned himself against the people and aligned with Ali Geda, to protect his beloved anti-Iranian regime. 

People go to the streets and chant "Esteghlal, Azadi, Jomhurieh Irani", "Marg Bar Asleh Velayateh Faghih" & "Marg Bar Jomhurieh Eslami" & you say "Dorud Bar Jomhurieh Eslami"? ... You are not much different from the Basijis who support the so-called "conservatives" (Islamist thugs) in power; the only difference btw your kind and their kind is that they are now in power ... that's it! it's a power struggle.

The vast majority of people however don't want any kind of Hezbollahi parasites to be in power, be it "reformist" parasite or "conservative" parasite.

Sorry to burst your bubble,

Pahlevan, 

XerXes People have gone passed the so called reformists.

XerXes,

I went to Iran twice last year, first in June (Khordad- Tir) and then in late November (Azar) 2009. The mood and attitude of the people from the aftermath of the Sham Selection in June to 4 months later in November and December were NIGHT and DAY. They had become more Radical and Anti Murderous Regime by TEN Fold. In June people would have been happy just to get rid of Khameneie's MaliJak, AhmadiNejad, however after the so called God's Rep on earth went against majority of the people's wishes the events took a huge turn. I could not belive my own eyes when I visited some friends and saw the slogans written on the walls of South Tehran, proclaiming Death to Khameneie, and Death to AhmadiNejad. 

It is one thing to see these Slogans in North Tehran, where most of the people are Secular and visibly Anti-Murderous Regime, however in South Tehran people used to (That's the operative word, USED TO) support this Evil Regime with blind obedience.

The Dynamics are now even more volatile, and after 16th of Azar and Ashura events, I can just imagine that the HATRED of People towards this Murderous Regime has reached a creschendo.

Now if you want to believe Murderous Regime's and other Aplogists' pipe Dreams and Propaganda, that is your choice, but the reality on the ground in Iran has reached new heights, and has become more and more irreversible.

As I said before, Young and old, Religous and Secular, Affluent and poor and even most of the Rank and File of Bassij and IRGC (These are not the Totally Brain Washed ones) Hate this Murderous Regime.

Every one has come to the same conclusion; This Murderous Regime is not Reformable. 

Salutations to All the TRUE Sons and Daughters of Iran.      

Mehdi2009

XerXes

1) Do I like FF? Yes! I will be proud to call him my friend.

2) How do you know I am an Anit-Arab? Show me the quote.

3) You are here so what? I am all for freedom of speech yell until you are happy!

And Xerxes you are being arrogant

Before you get all worked up and jump the gun, please bother to read my comment and not what your head tells you is in that comment.

The commander of the IRGC division speaking in this video is an anti Iranian fascist. Where do I say Mousavi is a fascist, or that Iranians are dying in the streets to get Mohammad Reza's (not Reza's) son back?

I said that this fascist system separates the people into two groups (as clearly stated by this "commander"), those who accept Khamenei and obey him, and those who don't. The Green movement, its leaders included, have gone against Khamenei by not accepting the election results, which were declared divine by the Islamic Fuehrer.

Furthermore, who says vast majority of Iranians are pro the system? (You have to define system first also). The people of Iran have shown overwhelmingly that they want change, and they want it now. You or I or nobody knows the degree of change that is demanded by what percentage of the population until there is freedom of press and free elections, which is one of the first demands of the green movement.

So before you get exclusive and self righteous holier than thou yourself, by dividing the opposition into "we reformists" and "Iranians who are foreigners in their own country", take a lesson in democracy and coexistence and tolerance first. Otherwise all "you reformists" will do is replace one gang with another and all of this will have been for nothing.

-Fair

Desperate times calls for Desperate Fools

This has been typical of the Murderous Regime to put a Clown on the Scene to show exactly how scared and Desperate they have become.

To all the Apologists in denial such as our favorite comic, Phony Sargord P and his ilk, I have to say that your comments and posts are getting funnier and more out of this world by the minute. When it is day time, you like your Evil Murderous masters insist that it is night time.  Logic and Reason has no place in you people's minds (if there ever was any), and your comments are very much like the comments of the Supporters and the Apparachics of the Former Soviet Union, and Saddam's own Comical Ali when both of those regimes were on their last breaths. So dear phoNy Sargord P and your fellow apologists keep dreaming, however, yours and your Murderous Regime's day of reckoning is fast approaching. Like your masters you will also look for a hole to hide.

Salutations to All the TRUE Sons and Daughters of Iran.

Mehdi2009

Fair you think you are being cute

But in reality it shows the level of your knowledge and true intelligence of yours by this dumb comment. You are putting the leader of Green movement, Mr. Mousavi, where all the young people went on streets for weeks to support as a part of Fascists? Don't you have any shame? Do you honestly believe that Iranians went on streets for Reza's son to come back? You know damn well that it wasn't so. Vast majority of Iranians who are green are pro the system, they just want the right people, right laws and proper policies to take place.
We reformists on one hand have to deal with conservatives who stole the government and on the other hand with Iranians with foreign passports who have become foreigners to their own country. It's tough out there.

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan Throws cheap shots

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan throwing cheap shot at people to divert the attention from a fellow anti Semite is your daily routine. It doesn't matter what you think I have said before, you damn right know that I am right here. So instead of diverting attention, you can just agree and say to your kind not to be so racist and anti Semite. My opinion is very different than yours and my political views are far from yours, but that doesn't allow me to kill my integrity and lie to allow an anti Semite get away from the eyes of the readers.
I am thankful daily that people like you don't follow Khatami and Mousavi, otherwise I would doubt if I have chosen the right leaders. Being an anti Semite doesn't mean to like the Israeli government, but not to hate Semites (Arabs, who some are Jews). I do not like the government of Israel, as I don't like the Egyptian and Saudi government, that's doesn't make me racist like your friend down below.

Welcome to the Islamic Apartheid of Iran

Believers in the Islamic Fuehrer on one side,

all others on the other side.

The system shall decide who is Iranian and who is not. Specifically, the commanders of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps, a stateless terrorist organization which does not have the word Iran in its name.

-Fair

MY REPLY IS......

Those who are in power in Iran by stealing people's rights, those who kill, rape, execute hopeful and brave sons and daughters of Iran and those who blindly and for personal gains support this satanic regime (you can see their note on this blog) are not Iranians but foreign agents!!!

Xer Xes

You are in no position to call people antisemites. Your past comment on Jews has permanently discredited you. So don't wast your breath and don't even try. It is not going to work.

Faramarz_Fateh your comment is anti Semetic

Since Arabs are Semites, your comment is anti Semitic. That's a shame to see so much hate against Semites.
I don't like the conservatives one bit but must agree that creating chaos is not beneficial for Iran. Also I don't want me or my family to get hurt and similarly don't want any other kids get hurt. Only bastards are those who never allow their own life or their own son and daughters suffer but wish "other" kids to go and give their lives so they can claim "uprisings" their own.
Dorud bar Khatami, Dorud bar Mousavi, Dorud bar jomhuriye Islamiye Iran.

Sargardan Piruoz

You sound so much like jaleho.   My response to you and mozdours like you is "Mozdour boro gomshoo."

sad thing is he

the part that is really sad this fanatic really means it.  To his bone marrow he really thinks those who rebel against Prophet Khamenei are Not only mohareb, taghoot, kaffir, munafiqs  but also NOT even Iranian. Iran in their eyes is one big Mecca or Medina and it's Divine Apostle is Khamenei. And if your not in submission to him then you dont belong in the land and are a foreign element. His declaration is the epitome of this cult called wilayat faqhi.

Desperate times

Although the Iranians who despise this regime are in the majortiy and would be able to topple this regime, but if the US/Israeli forces help with surgical strikes, then the 200K or so Basij like this Sargord Piroz will have to fight them, hence they will be cleansed.  So you see let Americans wipe these roaches and cleanse Iran and ready it when the democratic forces take over.

HE IS 100% RIGHT

To Arabs like this guy and the rest of the elements of the regime from top to bottom, Iranians ARE foreigners!!

Boy, I have heard a lot of BS in my life, but this tops it all

Mehrdad