Ron Paul: "warmongering" on Iran

Sounds suspiciously like the talk leading up to the war in Iraq, he says

Congressman also says sanctions against Iran for their nuclear ambitions would not help to alleviate the situation:

30-Sep-2009
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Emil

Ron Paul in Bruno..

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Mola Nasredeen

Setareh, we're all holding our collective breath to see where

by Mola Nasredeen on

today's negotiations between US and Iran would lead. This is the moment of truth for President Obama's efforts to open up to Iran.

Fouzol Bashi: "Ahsanat, Ahsanat" 


Setareh Cheshmakzan

No Sanctions on Iran?!! sh...t!

by Setareh Cheshmakzan on

I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because of his domestic allegience and views.  Should I also reject him for his anti-war, anti-sanction views on Iran? UMMM! LOL

Mola jan, regards to you and your jenaab-e shotor. What would this site do without your wisdom?  Fozul Bashi, What would this site do without your fouzuli?! shaad o sabz bashin ...


Fouzul Bashi

The problem with honesty ;0

by Fouzul Bashi on

Mola joon, Ahsant! Ahsant!

As your jenaab-e shotor would say, the problem with honesty is that honesty can hurt ;0  Safsateh on the other hand can give some souls the illusion that hiding facts and distorting them can kill the truth and fool others too!  loool


Mola Nasredeen

anonymous111.2, Well said

by Mola Nasredeen on

I agree with you when you say:

"There is no reason for us to have 150 (known) military bases around the globe.  There is no reason for us to be involved in regime changes.  There is no reason for us to prop up Taiwan.  There is no reason for us to be the single biggest contributing factor to the division of the two halves of the Korean Peninsula, there is no reason for us to turn Israel into a military fortress in the Middle East and alienate a billion Muslims around the world, and finally, there is no reason for us to threaten to attack Iran."

I did not vote for Ron Paul as you know but I always respected him for his honesty.


RonPaul Iranian Fan

Awful Realities

by RonPaul Iranian Fan on

The latest chapter of the holocaust in the world can be understood by reviewing the annals of the war imposed on Iran by Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a war in which weapons of mass destruction of all sorts were extensively used by Saddam Hussein's armies against Iranians. That Iran could not deliver a sizeable counterpunch at that time, such as can be had by a domestically produced nuclear warhead on the tip of an accurate and reliable long range missile, can explain why Iraq's extensive use of weapons of mass destruction against Iranians could be carried out not just with impunity, but with tacit support of Western governments. It is quite disingenuous, but not surprising that the leadership of the same governments that did so much to build and bolster Iraq's WMD program now stand before a world audience lambasting Iran for building a nuclear facility that is actually in accord with IAEA rules. These are the same governments that together possess enough nuclear weapons to bring all of life to a permanent standstill here on earth. Do they expect that there are going to be no geopolitical consequences for their deceptions and all the harm they have already caused? To make matters even worse, France has just built a naval and air base in UAE, quite boldly as a way to ensure that any Iranian attack on UAE becomes an attack on France.

With these set of geopolitical realities, it is obvious that even if Iran has a peaceful nuclear program, it better  quickly develop a powerful and effective nculear deterrence as quickly as possible. The wolves are howling at Iran's front door, and these wolves never stop thirsting for blood. War could break out any minute now.


anonymous111.2

Mola Habibi

by anonymous111.2 on

I find myself in the rather uncomfortable position of having to agree with you.  It's somewhere between having to chew on my own liver and having to watch Ahmadinejad on TV.  Nonetheless, what you say here is just one of the many reasons why I have been supporting Ron Paul for a very long time…before you were even a twinkle in your parents’ eyes.

The man is right.  He has always been right.  We are building an empire, and if history has thought us anything, it is that empires are destined to fall, even if they are the mightiest empire(s) ever built.  There is no reason for us to have 150 (known) military bases around the globe.  There is no reason for us to be involved in regime changes.  There is no reason for us to prop up Taiwan.  There is no reason for us to be the single biggest contributing factor to the division of the two halves of the Korean Peninsula, there is no reason for us to turn Israel into a military fortress in the Middle East and alienate a billion Muslims around the world, and finally, there is no reason for us to threaten to attack Iran.  Libertarians like Paul (and myself) realize that there are problems in the world and that there are bad –no make it very bad—people in the world too.  But we must realize that neither one of the two can be eradicated by force.  The mentality that force, and a huge military machine, is some sort of a panacea that can cure all ills is not only pure fantasy, but rather it is the main contributor to the militarization of a society, and the eventual, and inevitable erosion of civil rights and civil liberties, which is something that is already beginning to happen in this country (Patriot Act for example).

I also like his stance on domestic issues.  Just like him, I believe that the federal government is a huge monstrosity.  I believe that the IRS, and many other federal agencies, even those at the cabinet level, should be abolished.  Examples would be the Department of Education and Department of Labor.  There is no need for these bloated bureaucracies.  Education and labor decisions can be made at the State level.  And as far as where the federal money for things like defense (a small military to defend us) can come from, in my opinion, a small national sales tax can replace the dysfunctional income tax system.  In sum, the federal government needs to stay out of states’ business.  That’s what the founding fathers wanted.  The system that we have today is nothing like the federal system that the Constitution envisioned. 

He has many other good ideas.  That’s why I have been a supporter of his for a long time.    

PS/ I have the same approach with Iran.  I think that Iran should have a government that places the welfare of its own people above adventurism.  That's why I don't want Iran to be mired in the Israel / Palestinian conflict. 

 


Mola Nasredeen

The unknown soldiers, the American soldiers

by Mola Nasredeen on

"Send more soldiers to Afghanistan", "pull out soldiers from Iraq", "four soldiers were killed" so the news reports. But who are these soldiers who die every week in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Watch the PBS News on Friday afternoons called Lehrer Report. At the end of the news program their faces are projected on the TV screen with no commentary.Their names, their age and places where they come from is written under each photo. They are mostly in their early twenties. Their faces tells you their stories. They are whites, blacks, Hispanics and everything else in between.

Some have sad faces as though they knew they would die soon. Some look happy as if not knowing what would happen to them in a matter of a year or two.One cannot look at those faces and not feel sorry for them. They could be your neighbors' sons of daughters.

What are they fighting for? What are they dying for? They did not join the Army or Marines to die so suddenly at such a young age. Nobody talks about them. Not anymore. They are the Unknown American soldiers fighting a war with no end in sight.


Farhad Kashani

It appears that Leftist

by Farhad Kashani on

It appears that Leftist media is determined to be part of this huge block of alliance between the Left and Islamism to bring America, and with it, the civilized world down.

Back in the day, nutjobs like Ron Paul or Ahmadenezhad or Chavez or Michael Moore and others would get laughed at with their ridicules logic and their twisted conspiracy theorism ideas. Those were the good ol days that Fascist regimes like Nazism or Communism wouldn’t stand a chance cause these nutjobs didn’t get the attention to spread their nonsense. Now that the world needs to unite and combat Islamism, apparently, some media outlets find it entertaining to let these idiots come on TV 24/7 and spread their BS rhetoric. Back in the days, no one would call the free world “warmongering” for standing up to Communism and Racism Fascists. Now, Islamic Fascist like IRI are enjoying this opportunity.

The problem is we got people like Shah Gholam, who are twisted to begin with, listening to these idiots and becoming like them.


Dariush

I hopped Obama would peak

by Dariush on

I hopped Obama would peak Ron Paul as vice president. Unfortunately he didn't. This would have guaranteed Obama's safety too, because the Zionists and neocons wouldn't have tried anything foolish and they would have gotten along with Obama's peace efforts all to avoid dealing with Ron Paul, as Ron Paul would cut the supports to this fascist state, if he becomes president.


anonymous111.2

Irandokht

by anonymous111.2 on

"It's probably a personal thing! Now that Dr Paul says it, you agree with the fact that the sanctions are wrong and the people who are talking about nuclear facilities in Iran are just a bunch of neocon warmongers. Haven't you been attacking everyone else who says the same exact thing on this site?"

Show me one instance in which I 1) supported attack or sanctions against Iran or 2) attacked anyone who opposed it.

If I was, as you said:

"the most vocal point in opposition to the rest of the people who said the same thing, not necessarily to what we actually said."

Then it really shouldn't take you that long to find one of my comments attacking those "people", right?  Being that I am the most vocal opposition, my comments in that reagrd should be all over the place!!!!

"You keep challenging me to go find your comments, as if I have nothing better to do!"

No, I keep challenging you to stop lying and slandering people without regards to the truth.  You do this all the time and eveyone has seen it on this site.  You come out and say that I support sanctions and attacks against Iran, something which is aboslutely false.  I challenge you to show your proof and you go back to your old game of "everyone knows it" and "I don't have the time to find the comment".

Sister, if you don't have the intenstinal fortitude to prove, and stand behind, your claims, then you shouldn't slander people, which is something that you do day in and day out on this site.

PS/ please feel free to delete this comment now that you have been exposed again...hell, better yet, delete the entire posting and block my account. :-)


Louie Louie

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich

by Louie Louie on

Hehehe! A yoga practicing, ultra lefty vegan, and a shoot'm and kill'm bunnies absolute free market guy!

What a match!

Are you serious, sorry were you serious?


capt_ayhab

Shah Gholam

by capt_ayhab on

Nice post dude, and so true.

Regards

-YT 


Jaleho

Ron Paul is GREAT, so is Shah Gholam, so

by Jaleho on

is Dennis Kucinich, so is Barak Obama in many different ways.

I have presonally tried to help in all of their campaign (except for that of Shah Gholam which I didn't have the honor to) in any way I could. Is there anything wrong about supporting the good parts of policy of different people, or do we have to always blind ourselves with labels?

The most common form of this blindness is "Republican vs. Democrat" propaganda which has been keeping Americans busy fro decades, away from what is actually good for America, and instead keeps them fighting about the two party which are identical in many issues that betrays Americans (like Israel), and are are both oppositely off in diverting the tax payers money from constructive channels to war mongering. Democratic Kucinich, Republican Ron Paul, and independent ( at times Fascist type) like Pat Buchanan all have the same anti-war mongering voice, representing the true wish of majority of American people.


IRANdokht

ok my bad...

by IRANdokht on

you were only the most vocal point in opposition to the rest of the people who said the same thing, not necessarily to what we actually said. 

It's probably a personal thing! Now that Dr Paul says it, you agree with the fact that the sanctions are wrong and the people who are talking about nuclear facilities in Iran are just a bunch of neocon warmongers. Haven't you been attacking everyone else who says the same exact thing on this site?

come on! 

You keep challenging me to go find your comments, as if I have nothing better to do! You know what you've stood for and you have been against. A lot of others know it too.

IRANdokht


anonymous111.2

Irandokht

by anonymous111.2 on

Show me where I have:

"It's amazing that being a Paul fan you were one of the most vocal opposition to this very way of reasoning."

If you can't (which I know you can't becuase what you say is not true--I actually agree with what he says) then have the decency to retract your statement.

In other words: evidence talks, accusations, slander and fear mongering walks.


IRANdokht

Agreeing with someone vs worshiping them

by IRANdokht on

I understand some people can't tell the difference, but agreeing with someone on one subject does not mean you would have to blindly follow them everywhere.

Mr Anonymous111.2

Everybody has the right to agree with Mr Paul, you don't have to be lifelong fan for that.

What he says in this clip is exactly what many of us have said over and over again. It's amazing that being a Paul fan you were one of the most vocal opposition to this very way of reasoning.

IRANdokht

PS: Ron Paul had many fans during the elections, but he ran as a republican and ruined his chances. I was actually very hopeful when I heard that Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich might run on one ticket but that never happened.


anonymous111.2

I find it amusing

by anonymous111.2 on

that all of a suddent all the neo-liberal Iranians have become Ron Paul fans, being that I have been a fan of him for more than a decade. 

FYI: I hope that you folks do realize that he is diametrically opposed to Obama with whom you are all in love (that's right "Mola", I'm talking to you). He is very socially conservative (against abortion in all instances) and his views of guns will probably scare the bejesus out of you.  Oh, and he is also against universal healthcare and calls it "illegal", "authoritarian" and "unconstitutional". 

See, unlike most of your heros and characters that you emulate, Ron paul is not a one trick pony.  So, please do a little research before you jump on the bandwagon and act as if you really know or like this man.  


IRANdokht

Way to go Dr Paul!

by IRANdokht on

I hope they do listen to this voice of reason. 

Mehrdad, I would too and that's because he's a Libertarian  ;-)

Thanks ShahGhollam for sending it in.

IRANdokht


Mola Nasredeen

Thank you congressman Ron Paul

by Mola Nasredeen on

for shedding light on the war hysteria put up by the warmongers, Israeli Lobby and neocons.

Shah Gholam, good post.


Bavafa

One of the very few republican that I can ever vote for

by Bavafa on

Mehrdad


oktaby

One point he seems to miss

by oktaby on

Is that islamic regime wants and needs this war as much as the west. A Vietnam or even Iran-Iraq style war of attrition is beneficial for all involved here. Sanctions are useless and everyone knows that. islamic regime will use it for their propaganda and tighten the reigns even more and fully establish the end state of the Koodeta. Iranians inside and out cannot lose focus that the real enemy to beat is inside Iran and protected by external enemies. Iranians must fight by all means necessary as we alone could save Iran. There will be no real support for Iranian people except from Iranians and their network of friends around the world //iranian.com/main/node/82429


Darius Kadivar

FYI/DON'T BOMB MY COUNTRY by Reza Pahlavi (Telegraph.co.uk)

by Darius Kadivar on

Latest Article By Reza Pahlavi the Former Crown Prince of Iran: 

Supporting the people is the best route to blocking Iran's Bomb, says Reza Pahlavi (Telegraph.co.uk)

"By supporting the Iranian people and their struggle for human rights, by elevating the importance of their liberties, the West will find its greatest ally on the nuclear issue. Empowering the opposition movement will encourage and prolong internal dissent, and sustaining that internal unrest is the key to cracking the clerical code.

While sanctions can in fact prove to be a useful tool in the shed of diplomacy, they result in the suffering of a nation's citizens, victimising the innocent many for the sins of the stubborn few. For sanctions to truly be effective in Iran, human rights have to be put on equal footing with the nuclear concern. Many of my Iranian compatriots have indicated to me that they would be willing to add to their hardships in the short term only if they believe that sanctions will curtail the lifespan of clerical oppression and cure their want of human rights."

 

Recommended Reading:

REZA's CALL: An Iranian Solidarnosc by Darius KADIVAR