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Damn to this religion

Whenever I see such a thing in my country I say
"Damn to the religion that made our beautiful and peaceful country like this!!!!!!"

capt ayhab - just saw your lastest post

Seems you're doing something positive.

I retract my statment. As I am a welfare worker who works " on the front line" with these ladies I am a little defensive at times!

I still stand by my statement that they are NOT in it for the sex, sadly too many of them are in it, in order to access their drug of choice. - BEST REGRADS.

Capt Ayhab - Shame on you!

NO FOR  A SECOND ...Was I judging or insulting these poor unfortuante females!!  I was simply quoting a sentance from an anoymuos coward that called these working girls - Whores!!         How many females to you guys think dream of growing up and wroking in the sex indursty?? NONE!!!!!   

 Life has shattered these poor souls, I have nothing but the upmost RESPECT for them! 

Hence - You can stick you sex additction theory where the sun dont shine, They are there for one thing only and thats the MONEY!!and any of you males that think otherwise are ...Delusional.

To "I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek"

Well, I´m trying to understand you, but It´s quite difficult.

Sanctions are among the reasons which cause the economic problems. So many country were completely incompetent when they applied sanctions against certain governments; the result was always more poverty (Iraq, Burundi, Simbabwe, Somalia, Sudan, North Korea, Kuba and many others), but the dictatorships were strengthened.

Only economic exchanges and cultural correspondences can undermine the Mullahs.

I told you so.... ;-)

Marge, seems like we have no volunteers as of yet.

Do you want to see my [SEJEL]?

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Wow. An Iranian who actually wants to act & not blowhard!?

Wow. This is strange. Are you really iranian mr. ayhab? Hmmm? I don't believe it. You are actually asking people to see something sad and bad and think of a practical solution? 

Impossible. This is way too radical. You must be a communist Marxist Islamist trying to take us down. No way. I'm not with you. Death to IRI placard is enough for me. Goozbye! 

DO SOMETHING. stop talking

Don't just sit there and play the blame game. DO SOMETHING about it:

Links in USA:

//wadt.org/wadtcorporation/index.php?option=c...

//www.feminist.com/antiviolence/natl.html

//www.centsofrelief.org/index.shtml

//www.changemakers.net/node/8855

Just google the darn thing. 

As for information about the organizations in Iran, Allow me contact my sister, and I shall provide phone numbers, contact names and all the relevant information as soon as I receive them from her.

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Fatollah

I appreciate your observation. Allow me:

The reason for my cynicism is the few first comments that were posted by Lady of the author, and other gentlemen, in which they credit Islam, Mohammad for the invention of Prostitution.

Prostitution is a worldwide problem. As you know every single country has to deal with this issue. Some have tried legalizing it, some bring sever punishment for both the [DOEE and DOER]. So far non has worked.

The reason I posted that research, is because sometime ago I read a book by an Iranian Islamic scholar named Dr. Taleghani[who was killed by IR].

In his book, like the research done by Donna M. Hughes, he argues that in order for prostitution to disappear, societies MUST eliminate the NEED for prostitutes. Which is basically curtailing the DEMAND.

FYI,,,,,,, If anyone is truly interested in helping these women, being in Iran or USA, I will be more than happy to make it possible for you. My sister who lives in Iran is highly active in a none profit organization in Tehran, which along with many honorable, highly educated and progressive Iranian women, consul and educate  young, but economically deprived women to get them in a honorable and productive way of life.

If anyone is interested in doing same in USA, I can introduce you to few not-for-profit organization, in which my wife and I volunteer our time and funds, to help young women to bring themselves out of the abyss.

But for crying out loud, don't sit behind your keyboards and blame it on Islam, Mohammad and IR, and THINK you have done these women any service.

Vasalam, nameh tamam

capt_ayhab [-YT]

To Capt_Ayhab

You are indeed are a child, my apologies!

You are not worth debating with.

Take care BRO!

Benyamin

Do not blame me for your lack of comprehension.

Seems to me you have your head so deep in the sand that all you care to repeat few lines that have been thought to you, without even knowing what they mean.

Listen dude, let me enlighten you. Subject matter is prostitution. First few comments went like this:

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by sad (not verified) on Tue Feb 17, 2009 09:36 AM PST

Thank you party girl. It's gut wrenching to watch.

There were three Iran related documentaries on BBC last night. The
third one, "Prostitution Behind the Veil", I couldn't watch the
documentary to the end. I died a thousand times over when I was
watching it. What has happened to our Iran?

//www.dfi.dk/tidsskriftetfilm/39/prostitution...

This is the "honorable Islamic Republic" for you!

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my comment was:

by capt_ayhab on Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:03 AM PST

You guys rant and rave just like prostitution is unique to Iran.

FYI Prostitution is OLDEST profession in the world, Mohammad did not invent it.

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then you OPENED your classy mouth by saying to me:

To Capt-Ayhab

I think you should have every RIGHT to be angry at the IRI for youyr
flat tire! since you perhaps have sold a few Iranian girls to some
FILTHY ARABS in odred to buy such a car and now you have to live in the
USA to hide because you are afraid those kids relatives will find you
one day and you know the rest..lol....or else what is/are your
reason(s) to be so ademant that there is nothing wrong with that clip?
why are you living in USA if you are so fit MENTALY and obviously if
Iran is such a HEAVEN why not live there???

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Listen to me little man and listen very very carefully. You were and are way out of line when you made such slanderous and ignorant character defamation about me, when you have no idea who I am.

You acted ignorant, childish and illiterate when you made that statement about me. I have nothing to explain to arrogant and illiterate people like you. In fact I will be more happy to clean you clock[so to speak] anytime you cross me with such astonishing stupidity.

Now, back to what you said, Subject matter of the thread is prostitution in Tehran. My problem is, some of you self proclaimed FREEDOM fighters, are BRAVELY trying to claim that prostitution was invented by IR.

Dude, it is because of exaggeration like these, that IR has been able, rather successfully fend off all the opposition that they are facing, namely people like us in this site, and many sites like this.

If you want to talk about suppression of women, if you wanna talk about all the atrocities, belittling, crimes, rapes, imprisonment, beating and etc etc that IR has brought upon people of Iran, and specially upon Women, I will be happy to participate. But do not sit there and tell me prostitution is invention of Islam.

One final suggestion,,,,, I never disrespect anyone, I ask same in return. You owe me a big apology, that is if you are MAN enough to admit that you were out of line.

Have a great day

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Marge why not Down with IRI?

Marge why not Down with IRI? We said Down with Shah and he came down. So if we say Down with IRI they will come down too. If we can unite people here we are half way there. No?

Oh get over yourselves. Pakistan? Thank god for Pakistan

They make Iranians look so much more humane. 

You can cry "death to IRI" til you are blue in the face. That's fine. I'll chant with you. But it does NOTHING to help economic opportunity in Iran.

Sanctions have to go. Iranians with money in their pockets will have a greater incentive to stop being douchebag religious nuts. Or we can starve and bomb them and say we gave them democracy and say there will be no more women like the one above. WoohOO!

Death to IRI!

Death to IRI! May Khomeini, Khamenei and IRI rot in hell. Down down with IRI.

To Capt-Ayhab

I truely don`t understand you! sometimes you come up with comments that makes me to believe you are merely a child and sometimes your comments are out of scope with reality and other times you have not done your research good enough.

You mentioned the Czech Republic, did you know that most of those numbers( and I said most) are the minority group called Roma or Gypsys? did you know that Czech republic has been under the UN human rights watchdog for discreaminating against them? did you know that Gypsys can`t get a job in their own country? they turn to stealing  or music(if they are lucky enough) and so on and so forth. and you can NEVER, EVER compare Iran with those countries since Iran`s laws are extremely discreaminating against WOMEN. if Iran was like any other country then you and Marg would have good points, but iranian women arenot in the same footing as others in their society. bring their RIGHTS to par as men and then if there are stil women that are prostituting then you can rant at them, but not when the society has weaken them and put them at the risk of exploitation.

Women are just simply being robbed everyday of their RIGHTS in Iran.

if you ever want to know more I can tell you more about how the society in Iran is putting one half of the country down for the other half to take advantage of!

Yes, there are societal problems and i understand that problem has existed since the begining of time but study shows as long as women have the chance and ability and have been enabled to have a better life all on their own prostitution has droped, but has never been irradicted. Lets first bring women up to par as men give them their RIGHTS and truley enable them and teach MEN not to discreaminate then lash at those that are choosing prostitution as their career. 

capt_ayhab!

I have to confess, you sounded a bit sinister at the begining of your comments! But, now you have a scientific approach to this issue which is fine with me! But, remember everybody can sidetarck a topic, and that includes you and Marge as well!!!

I was right; you are the opposite of what you are preaching

My dear you have no logical explanation to what I have mentioned before. The situation in Iran is not that complicated. It’s very straightforward.

You and Capt. remind me of those who try to justify beheadings by AQ in Pakistan or elsewhere because nobody should dehumanize the muslims or those who think killing and abusing dogs in a dog fight is not worse than killing them and consuming the meat. Well nice try!

In case you haven’t heard, a Pakistani man beheaded his wife in Buffalo. He was the manager of TV station with a goal of countering stereotypes of muslims in America.

Benyamin

You are right. I didn't think about it that way.

But it will change. Step by step. Unfortunately we are taking baby steps and not fast enough, but what can you do? 

All I am scared of is that there would be a war, blood, civil war and life becomes horrible. Thinking like that makes me scared and I just want things to move calmly.

I know we are tough people, but still we are logical and pragmatic. Things will change for better, specially after Iran and US become buddies again.

No ones is suggesting that

No ones is suggesting that there are no prostitution or poverty in other countries.

However, IRI claims that its most benevolent, just, most Islamic, and pious government on earth and they criticize the US for their immorality...I think the hypocrisy is breathtaking, especially coming from such "nab-e-mohmadi society".

Also, I don't think that the US military is involved in profiteering from sex-traffiking or prostitution.

To Daryush

Thanks for reading my comment.

Daryush I know you mean well and I know you are just as concern as anybody else about Iran and what goes on there. I amnot here to white wash all those that you mentioned since I understand you are correct and all those points are granted.

But, I as a minority someone who didn`t have a RIGHT to attend post secondary education by discriminating ISLAMIC values or laws or policies or whatever you want to call them have/had no chance to COMPETE since I was filtered before to get in. XerXes mentioned Italy, India, Turkey and so on, would it be the same to people in those countries? or that only applies to Iran. I know what Iranian government is doing, but even if I am a geneous and somehow I become rich what are my chances as a minority to advance myself in that country. If they find out that I have that much money somehow they will take it away and call me a SPY or perhaps"mofsed e felarz"!!!

and then SOME people(clearly not you) would comment that don`t blame IRI because there must be something there. what is my chance to advance in a country that I have been living and so were my ancestors for thousands of years? but suddenly I am out cast because IRI decided on behalf of every muslim in Iran that I should either change my believes or leave or forever live poor.

woul you say there are similar problems in the USA? and if they were it was before not now, the USA has constantly been improving and riding itself of problems where as OUR country has constantly been gaining them. And those peopbelms havenot been created by USA or UK or RUSSIA, they are home grown and based on superstitious believes of masses in Iran.

What you said or XerXes said is true and I agree but doesn`t apply to Iran because of the reasones I mentioned above. We Iranians as a society and culture are still much more ADVANCED than others in the world I truely belive that having traveled alot. WE have had the third Democratic revolution in the world and the first in Middle East. We are the only country in asia that does not have a date of INDEPENDENT we are a country that is mentaly is constantly promoting itself and will one day become one of the greates powers again. I just see it naturally happening, that is why we so don`t deserve this IRI system I amnot advocating of riding ourselves of the Islam but promoting what we all have paid for from MASHROUTIAT to MOSADEGH e KABIR and the revolution of  22 e BAHMAN.

as long as there are people in iran discreaminating aginst(and women are included) that society is ILL and wont be able to function fully.

Sa`di said:

All human are  made of same essence, and if one part is hurt all parts ache

Bani adam azaye yek digarand, ke dar afarinesh ze yek goharand

we truely need to learn from our own culture.   

Marge honey

Why are you defending the stinking IRI? They are stinking IRI mullahs who should be removed at all costs. It is because of defense like your's that they flourish and continue their massacre. This prostituation would not be at the level that it is if it wasn't because of IRI. Facism has no boundaries and neither does IRI.

Not to Mention

Not to mention mentalities of some of our own FREEDOM FIGHTERS, in regards to Iranian Women. Read 'em and weep:

//iranian.com/main/blog/arjang011/are-ira...

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Of course it involves Pahlavis. Not because of anyone's dislike

But because this prostitution has been so politicized by Reza and his idiot allies like Rob Sobhani. Do you remember when that moron went on a tirade about Iran and said "In order to make money, women in Iran have to prostitute themselves."

So yes, as a pusher for regime change, who has used this issue in a political context, I WILL bring up pahlavis - but not the dead failure, but the blob who is going from person to person asking for regime change help.

I have no problem talking about prostitution, but if you want to politicize it, then we have to mention the wonderful people who come up. The people who solicit these prostitutes are all kinds of men, not just IRI card carrying mullahs. I wish Iranian men would be more serious about this than saying "OH IRI! It's ALL IRI." Prostitution goes beyond that. 

Margie cutsie baby

You can do better than that. Somehow you had to bring up the Pahlavis in the middle of this. We are talking about the root of all these social problems and you go on and on about the Pahlavis and regime change.

Not that I’m a die hard fan of Reza, but even he said he does not wish to see Iran is bombed and get invaded by foreign powers. If Iran wants to do economically well she should tone down all her hostilities, Ahmadinejad’s holocaust denying conference was a good move; afarin barikallah, It’s awesome when David Duke could be there.

Honey child, this has to be a two way street. And one more thing just read your own comments and see how much you get into conspiracy stuff and the blame game; opposite of what you are preaching.

reasons and solutions for prostitution

Prostitution: Causes and Solutions
Donna M. Hughes
Professor & Carlson Endowed Chair in Women’s Studies
University of Rhode Island
La Prostitucion Feminine: Propuestas e Intervencion
(Female Prostitution: Proposals and Interventions)
Santiago de Compostela, Galicia, Spain
July 1, 2, and 3, 2004

Synopses:

Cause:

Prostitution and trafficking begin with the demand for victims to be used in prostitution. It begins when men go in search of sex that can be purchased. In countries where prostitution is illegal, it begins when pimps place orders with their criminal networks for women and children. In 2 countries where prostitution is legal, it begins when brothels places job ads with government employment agencies. In places where buying sex acts is popular and profitable, pimps cannot recruit enough local women to fill up the brothels, so they have to bring in victims from other places......

Let me give you the example of the Czech Republic. Ten to fifteen years ago, prostitution was rare, certainly, there wasn’t a sex industry. Now, according to a study by the Czech Ministry of
Interior, there are over 860 brothels in the Czech Republic, of which 200 are in Prague. The Czech Republic is a destination country for Western European sex tourists. By one estimate, 65
percent of men who buy sex acts there are foreigners. The capital city has the reputation of being a “stag party” capital of Europe, meaning it is a favorite beer and sex party spot for men, mainly
Great Britain and Germany. There are almost 200 web sites on the Internet for prostitution services in the Czech Republic, up from 45 in 1997, that enable sex tourists to book their travel and appointments to buy sex acts before they leave home. The Czech police estimate that there are 15,000 women and children in prostitution in the Czech Republic. Thousands of them stand along the roads or wait in roadhouses along the German and Austrian borders. Mafias control most of the victims. The Czech-German border has become a well-known site for child prostitution. German men, in particular, cross the border to buy children for sex acts. All this expansion of the sex industry has occurred in the last decade.

Solution:

Stopping the Demand – Solution to Prostitution and Sex Trafficking
Instead of legalization, there is another solution to the problem of prostitution and sex trafficking: Confronting the demand for prostitution. Instead of only warning women against recruiters, stop the recruiters. Instead of accommodating the demand, stop it. There are four components that make-up the demand:

1) the men who buy commercial sex acts,

2) the exploiters who make up the sex industry,

3) the states that are destination countries, and

4) the culture that tolerates or promotes sexual exploitation.

Above excerpts is from the named report, full report link:

//www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/prostitution_...

POINT: Prostitution is not unique to Iran, nor was it invented by Mohammad as some of our BRAVE FREEDOM fighters are claiming.

Regards

capt_ayhab [-YT]

Imagine if this video was

Imagine if this video was taped under the Shah's government and the Islamic Republic was not in existence.

Would we see so much whitewashing? Would the commenter be so merciful and indulgent toward the Shah?

Couldn't the so-called shahollihi use the same excuse as the Isamist/lefties are using to obsolve IRI from any responsibility whatsoever toward this miserable state of affairs?

Benjamin e aziz

That's a good argument that you are making. I agree that the Islamic Republic ha(d) many slogans and "dreams" that did not come true. Don't ever think that Iran is an Islamic State. It's a capitalistic state, run similar to any developing countries anywhere. There are some non sense about religion and values, but similar to anywhere, even the US, you can't control everything.

Sure that the system can be better, less corrupt and more profitable. I know that Iran wants to privatize. The similar problem that exist with doing so is, who will buy those industries? The same group that are wealthy enough and can afford it.

This is not an Islamic issue at all. It's an economic issue with running a country. It's not exclusive to Iran and should not be considered as a fault of the Islamic Republic. People have something to do with this too. At some point in many parts of the industry, people, not the governemnt, stab one another in the back for a few dollars extra. Come to Iran and I'll show you around and prove my point.

I don't give a damn about the government of Iran. I could care less if they all burn in hell, but fairly speaking, this is not a problem that Iran is facing but the Capitalistic ideology has been facing fsince ever.

xercxes said it best, distribution of wealth is unfair, not here but everywhere. If anyone else was rulling right now with this population level, high education, they would have a huge problems, as they do now. specially in a bad economy that is all around now days.

Some people talk as if they are shocked that there is "prostitution" in Iran. Where have you guys been all these years? Iran is like anywhere else. 

Jihadis and whores Wars are

Jihadis and whores
Wars are won by destroying the enemy's will to fight. A nation is never really beaten until it sells its women.

The French sold their women to the German occupiers in 1940, and the Germans and Japanese sold their women to the Americans after World War II. The women of the former Soviet Union are still selling themselves in huge numbers. Hundreds of thousands of female Ukrainian "tourists" entered Germany after the then-foreign minister Joschka Fischer loosened visa standards

in 1999. That helps explain why Ukraine has the world's fastest rate of population decline. On a smaller scale, trafficking in Iranian women explains Iran's predicament.

To understand Iranian politics, cherchez les femmes: the fate of Iranian women sheds light on the eccentricity of President Mahmud Ahmadinejad. By Spengler's Universal Law of Gender Parity, the men and women of every place and every time deserve each other. A corollary to this universal law states that the battered Iranian whore is the alter ego of the swaggering Iranian jihadi.

In the interest of balanced reporting, I cite the history of Jewish prostitution before delving into the Persian example. The Jews have lived long enough to be defeated more often than any other people. After Spain expelled them in 1492, the Jews sold their women so widely that the character of the Jewish prostitute figured prominently in 16th-century literature, notably in one of the earliest novels, La Lozana Andaluza (1528), a story of refugee Spanish-Jewish whores in Rome. After Russian pogroms drove Jews out of the Pale of Settlement in the late 19th century, Jewish women became the raw material of the white-slave traffic, supplying Argentina as well as Western Europe.

//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HK21Ak01....

Prostitution/sex-traffiking

Prostitution/sex-traffiking ventures and drug industry in IRAN is a major source of profit for the IRI, especially, IRGC, INC. Most of these profits are funding Hamas and Hizballah.

Google International/Islamic terrorism and how it is funded by prostitution and Drug trade.

Google is your friend. Use it.

Congratulations

Some of these comments belong to the silliest ones I´ve ever read: "enjoying being whores", "addiction to sex", "mental disorder", ...

This is sooo sad for so many girls and women who MUST sell the very last things they have: their bodies, their hopes and their future. It doesn´t matter to me that you find prostitution in every country in this world, it must be horrible waiting with the own child on the street, in a society in which "Aberoo" is very important, terrified of the guardians, frightened of the customers.

Seeing these tragic lives and stories I guess a minimum of compassion would be more than appropriate.

Millionaire Mullahs

Millionaire Mullahs
Paul Klebnikov, 07.21.03

A nuclear threat to the rest of the world, Iran is robbing its own people of prosperity. But the men at the top are getting extremely rich.

//www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2003/0721/056.ht...

Note: The author of this article was mudered/gunned down mysteriously after publishing this article.

//www.forbes.com/2004/07/12/cz_sf_0712stevefo...