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Baron Avok

When has Israel- or indeed any country on earth- acted other than their own beneft. This is hardly a secre. 

Of course, they did not blow up Osirak for Iran but for their OWN interest but one of the primary benefactor of this was Iran.

Ok, have it your way. Would you have preferred it if Israel did not give Iran arms because it wasn´t sincere about its love for Iran. It was the West and the USA which armed Saddam Hussein and NOT Israel. 

There is ample evidence of Israel-Islamic Republic covert cooperation on a broad range of regional and security issues or has the whole Iran Gate affair slipped your mind? Read Trita Parsi´s book Unholy Alliance (a man whose political view points would be much more closer to yours than mine).

Do you also  deny the Ofer Affaiir?

Do you deny the millions of dollars of indirect bilateral trade which takes place between Israel and Iran avery single year through ´neutral´ countries such as Jordan and Turkey and European registered companies?

Don´t take my ´Zionist´word for it:

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 Iran has no interest in confronting Israel directly. This is the whole point. The IR has created an enemy in Israel has a a raison détre for its existence and kill opposition. Conversely Israel also enjoys making an enemy out of the IR to get loans and subsidies from the USA.

Sure, it will fund hezbollah and hamas to at least satisfy those that Iran is the leading Islamic country to oppose Zionism but will never confront Israel directly. The rule is to antagonise but not confront.  

The reason for the IR´s reluctance to confornt Israel directly is as follows: 

1) Because they are cowards

2) they thrive on Israel´s perpetual existence as an enemy and a lucrative trading partner. 

If I am wrong then why doesn´t Ahmadinejad once, just once, live up to his threat and fight it out with a warship blocking Gaza?

Let me give another example which might make you better understand the situation. A journalist once asked a member of the IRA why is it that in all its years of campaign and warfare agianst the British and its Ulster supporters it has never killed Ian Paisley the firey and vehemetly pro-British and anti-republic  figurehead of the Ulster Unionists. He has been accused of bigotred and said anti-pope

Do you know what the journalist said? Why on earth would we want to kill one of the greatest reasons which keeps our cause alive 

Similarly, why is it that Israel has allegedly carried out target assassinations on nuclear scientists but it has not targeted a member of the Revolutonary Guard hierarchy or a Basij commander.

It has no interest to do so. They both thrive from each other at the expense of its own people up to now. However, Israel is now starting to wake up and realise its mistake. 

 Dear Siavash: Baron does

 Dear Siavash: Baron does not engage his brain before he activates his mouth... This is instructive of many supporters of  IRI who have been fed nothing but propaganda and half-truth. IRI appeals to  people who need illusion to get on with their lives.

"There is enough in this world to meet every man's need but not every man's greed." --Gahndi

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Good to see you again too. I always imagine you as the type of good friend in a bar who agree on most things and then have fights which come to blows but the next day its all forgottn and bygones are bygones. 

I have to say I agree with all the points which you raised (see end note) . I just wanted to say again, that theconcept of friends or allies is a total myth. Israel is not a friend and every single allegience/pact in the worldis based on self serving national interests. You can bet your bottom dollar that even the UK and the USA spy on each other. 

One would have to be extremely be naive to think that even during the reign of the Shah with all the semblance of support and security the Shah was receiving from America, the Western powers were working behind the scenes. During the Persepolis celebrations of 1971 the Shah invited the Presidents, Heads of State, Prime Ministers and Royalty from 55 countries and fed them caviar and breast of  peacock cooked at Maxim´s in Paris and drank from Bohemia crystal glasses.

How many of these moft-khors who wined and dined at the expense of the Iranian people gave him refuge? The Persepolis celebrations was an important even but yet the KING of Iran refused to let his own subjects taste a single bite of the sumptuous dinner laid out to a bunch of traitors such as the French and British who conspired to overthrow the Shah.

And guess which country gave Shah refuge and was never invited to the event?

Anwar Sadaat of Egypt.

Where was his invitation? Eygypt did not recieve an invitation to thePersepolis celebrations but was the only country which allowed the dying Shah a place to live 

And has the Pahlavi family learnt its lessons?

After all the Shah´s love for France, speaking the French language with pride in public and becoming patronising their art and architecture guess (as eveident in the Persepolis celbrations) guess what happened?

The double crossing French  gave  Khomeini refuge and allowing him to use his house there as an operation centre to destablise the regime  and even flew him to Tehran on an Air France passenger plane. The French government was also complicit in the murder of Bakhtiyar and recently allowed his evil killer to go free. Not to mention of course the theft of ancient artefacts from Persepolis  stacked up nicelyat the Louvre in France. 

What does ´Shah Banoo` Farah Pahlavi do? She still lives in the wretched country which betrayed her husband and her country.

The word KHAKBARSAR comes to mind.The Pahlavi family and the increasinhly bi orze Reza Pahlavi (as he likes to be called) are becoming unworthy of being Iran´s royal family. 

Learn from the Americans who after the French refused to give security council for the invasion of Iraq they started pouring  expensive Chardonnay down the toilet and renamed French Fried ´Freedom Fries´.

I am not suggetsing we go to that extreme but do you not think that the sorry excuse for a queen, shahbanoo could setup home somewhere else?

 Now in relation to Israel, it only acts in its own interests. Where has Israel ever harmed us like the other countries who stuffed their faces at the Persepolis celebrations? There, I said it. Just like every country does. But Israel and Iran maintained very good bilateral relations with the Pahlavi regime. The Shah received logostical support and military know how from Israel which is well documented. As Prime Minister Assadolah  Alam wrote Golda Meir even visited Iran secretly risking both her security and scandalous publicity if this took place. Now I do not know what rol, if any, that Israel played with America to overthrow the Shah, there is no complelling evdience, and it seems absurd that shortly before the revolution she would send her Prime Minister to visit Iran. 

Iran´s territorial integrity must be protected. As for the Mujahedin. Dump Rajavi and her liutenants. Take over camp ashrafd and use those who wish to remain to enlist in a new secular army. 

"You need to examine the

"You need to examine the history of animosity of IRI toward Israel "videmose

I think examine the head  is more urgent

"Lebanon's Hezbollah, which is an Iranian founded organization. " baronAvak

So the writer knows that stinky mullahs escalate the fight in middle east and they wanted me , my family and my friends....get into none sense war. The question still stands : why should we get into the war that has nothing to do with us?

Reality does bite.

During the Iran-Iraq war, the West, through Israeli middle men, supplied arms to Iran, as a part of a Western strategy of "dual containment."  Specifically, the objective was to arm both Iran and Iraq in amounts sufficient to ensure that both sides killed each other off, without any side actually winning decisively. In other words, they armed both sides to ensure maximum killing and damage occurred on both sides, for the maximum possible time period.  And now Simorgh wants Iran to give Israel credit for this "favor."  Let's not kid ourselves.  If you think Israel sold arms to Khomeini's Iran out of altruism, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

With regard to the Osirak reactor, same thing.  Israel was acting on it's own interests when it bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor.  As a matter of fact, it's the Israelis who owe a debt of gratitude to Iran, for it was Iran's fighting on the ground with Iraq that prevented Iraq from retaliating with missiles against Israel, as it did during the Gulf War.

Finally, as far as the nonsense about Israel being the "benefactor" of the Iranian government,  your analysis conveniently ignored Lebanon's Hezbollah, which is an Iranian founded organization.  Lebanon's Hezbollah responded against Israel, with Iran's consent and support, and drove the Israelis out of Lebanon in 2000 and 2006.  Israel, to this day, has no answer for Hezbollah in Lebanon and has lost to them twice now.  That's why it had to withdraw from Lebanon and rush to make a ceasefire with Lebanon in 2006, as soon as Hezbollah fired missile's non-stop into Israel.  

And therein lies the real beef Israel has with Iran.  They don't care about human rights in Iran.  They don't care about democracy for Iranians, or woman's lib, or gay rights, or Kurdish rights, or whatever.   They know Iran is assisting the Palestinians and Lebanese in defending themselves against Israeli attacks, and they want to use any excuse to force all Arabs, all Turks, all Iranians, and everyone else in the region to submit and accept Israeli supremacy.  

Iran refuses.  And hence it is targeted and threatened. 

Simorgh

Please first allow me to welcome you back; I appreciate your voice. We need to have different views here. 

I would love to see both Iran and Israel become good friends. But at this time both are doing the opposite. I have many Israeli friends and they are good people. If they and I were running both nations there would be no problems! 

Too bad we are not and both sides are bent on fighting. This is what I am proposing:

• American and Israel publicly recognize territorial integrity of Iran.
• Then support reasonable opposition and I mean not MEK.
• Israel needs to work behind the scenes to avoid being scapegoated.

If it comes to a war it will no doubt require USA direct involvement. The Americans need to know this and better be aware of it. Otherwise they are just fooling themselves. 

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I think the only attack was announced publickly it was about nuclear making facility as target not Iran or Iranians.

Maziar

Reality Bytes

I couldn´t agree with you more. The Islamic Republic (and by extension the people of Iran) actually owes a debt of gratitude to Israel beyond measure. 

• It was Israel which secretly supplied arms to Iran which prevented the Iran-Iraq war slipping into Saddam´s favour
• It was Israel which sent its aircrafts to destroy the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq which was built with the help of the French. This elimintated the potential threat of a nuclear armed Iraq and given Saddam Hussein´s propensity to use chemical weapons in Halabcha it saved Iran from a possible cataclysmic end. The IR Terrorist Regime even pplayed a key role in providing infornmation to the Israelis. 
• It was Israel though its proxy Marc Rich who managed to allow the Islamic Republic to export oil despite the sanctions at the beginning of the regime

Infact, the Islamic Republic knows its benefactor is Israel which is why it  has never dared to confront Israel militarily directly. Israel has besieged Gaza, bombarded Lebanon and stopped two flotillas to Gaza and despite each and every threat by the Islamic Republic to stop Israel it chickens out like a cowardly dog that it is.

However, this does not prevent the Islamic Republic from provoking Israel indirectly  by funding and suopporting terrorists in Hamas and Fatah. Like all gutless cowardly terrorists it can´t do its own fighting so it used the Palestinians as their proxies. In return the Islamic Republic gives material and propaganda support only because it needs Israel whether it is buying arms or the millions of dollars of trade which takes place each year between the two countries from agricultural products, pistachio or marble. 

Israel is now, and rightly, come to its senses that the Islamic Republic is a threat to the entire region because of its pursuance of nuclear weapon. This is partly Israel´s own fault and it now has to deal with it. The time for games and covert support of this despicable regime is over.

The time is now for Israel and the West to be called to task and destroy the evil entity they created (I mean the Weat and NOT iSRAEL) even if it means them making sacrifices.  

 BaronAVak: Please look at

 BaronAVak: Please look at things with its historical context in mind. You need to examine the history of animosity of IRI toward Israel within the past 32 years to get a real picture. You reap what you sow.

"There is enough in this world to meet every man's need but not every man's greed." --Gahndi

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Yes Israel

Yes Israel is not a friend of Iran and is doing what you say. However AN is making it easier for them. If he would just shut up it would be much simpler to diffuse the Israeli rhetoric. 

Just imagine the GW Bush has to talk sense into their heads! Now it is pretty ironic when G W is the voice of reason! I have no delusions that Israel wants to wreck Iran. And their best ally is AN and Khamenei with their policies. 

No wonder they wanted the Shah gone because he was keeping us safe. The politicians in Israel are known for their lack of wisdom. They created Hamas and are now paying for it. They are working on MEK to create another monster.

Baron, let me get this right

You say: it's Israel initiating the threats to attack Iran and Ahmadinejad is only defending Iran, right?

So, the fact that from very beginning when the Islamic Republic came to power:

- the IR leadership and its supporters have shouted "Marg bar Israel" week in, week out,

- the fact that they continuously called for "Qods" to be cleared of Jews and given to Palestinians,

- the fact that IR continually funds and arms Hamas and Lebanese Hezbollah to run proxy wars against Israel,

- the fact that IR was behind the bombing of Jewish centre in Argentina killing nearly 100 people in 1994,

- the fact IR has been giving huge amounts of money and nuclear expertise to Syria to build a nuke power station (since destroyed by Israel),

- the fact that Ahmadinejad is on record calling for Israeli regime to disappear from history and saying that Israel is a stinking corpse,......... 

...so all of that is NOT Islamic Republic "initiating threats" to attack Israel, but Israel initiating threats to attack Iran, correct?

And are you still saying Ahmadinejad and the rest of his Islamic Republic buddies have spent the past 32 years just minding their own business, not bothering anyone, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, nasty 'ol Israel wants to attack Iran for no reason and all Ahdaminejad is doing is defending Iran?

You don't have to watch IRNA

You don't have to watch IRNA or Press TV, all you have to do is read the Jerusalem Post.  Israeli politicians themselves routinely call for attacking Iran, and threaten to do so.  This has taken place even before Ahmadinejad was President.   I guess people here have short memories.  

 baronavak: You have been

 baronavak: You have been watching too much IRNA, ISNA, seda va simaye IRan or presstv...Time to expand your horizon. Your opinion is formed by 24/7 propaganda. The question to ask is why does the IRI wants you to believe that Israel wants to attack Iran?? Who has been wanting to destroy Israel and retake Jerusalem since day one?? Who was responsible for killing millions of Iraqis and Iranian in a war of choice because Khomeini wanted to reach Jerusalem via Karbala?? Who has special forces called Quods Force (Jerusalme force) and spend billion of dollars in funding it throughout the middle east. Who has Quads day (jeruslame day) propaganda parade every year???

You are entitled to your opinion but not facts.

"There is enough in this world to meet every man's need but not every man's greed." --Gahndi

Thanks Shifteh for this great post

"it is Israel who is initiating the threats to attack Iran" BaronAvak

Short term memory defect is evident in the above statement.

The monkey who calls himself "Iran president" televised his press conference starting with the words such as : "According to Imam statement, Israel should be eliminated from the map". That was first initiative threat. Later on, the monkey invited David Luke the ideologist and CEO of KKK to Tehran to discuss about possible another holocast against jews. That was second threat to existance of jews.The event has been documented. No need to challenge the fact. The question is : why me, my family, my relatives, my friends and my country men/women should involve to the war that has nothing to do with us?

By the way, how is the weather in Gaza Mr./ms. Iranmilitaryfrum?

Khorasan

Yes, but it is Israel who is initiating the threats to attack Iran, is trying to instigate other nations such as the U.S. to attack Iran, and which trains, funds and arms seperatist groups in Iran out of bases in Arbil (Kurds), Baku (Azeris), and Pakistan (Baluchis).  The headline of this article deceptively suggests Ahmadinejad is the one bringing war to Iran!  Why, just because he vows to defend Iran if it is ever attacked? Is that not deception and intellectual dishonesty on the part of the author? Reza Shah himself or any other patriotic Iranian would have no less of a response than Ahmadinejad if such threats were made to kill Iranians and divide Iran into 7 different countries.

Look, I have no problem criticizing Ahmadinejad or the IRI in general, but criticizing them for defending Iran against threats of war?  That's just blind hatred and foolishness which will work against Iranians. 

Dear Baron

Israel and IRI are like two school kids. They stand on two sides of the yard and insult each other. Neither one is willing to actually get in a fight. Because they may get beat up. Not without daddy to help them out.

They are both at fault and both ***holes to the max. Why did AN have to hold his stupid holocaust conference? Why does he have to stick his nose in the Israeli Palestinian fight.

It's Israel threatening Iran

Clearly none of you follow Israeli politics.   Israel threatens to attack Iran on a regular basis.  Ahmadinejad is simply stating the Iran will defend itself and retaliate if it is attacked.  How can you fault that?

thank you

Khanoom Ansari for your true feelings toward poor Iranians and Bringing up the true face of warmongers and greedy western Arm industries for trying to find a way filling up their pocket with the bloods of innocents.

IRR is going down and they feel it so ANY attack will prolong their filthy existence.

Maziar

IMF

Shifteh is a good person and a patriotic Iranian. I am very thankful to her. It is AN who is bringing Iran to danger. With his belligerent rhetoric and constant provocations. If there is a war it is people like AN to blame.

I would also remind you that personal attacks against other posters violate IC rules. While not the admin I do know the rules. Please refrain from these attacks. Show some respect for others. 

Dear Shifteh

The support that Mehrdad, Vildemose, rtayebi1 and I are giving you is evidence that your relentless defense of the innocent in Iran and elsewhere is appreciated.  Do not relent.

khanoom Ansari

I appreciate UR love for Iran and UR patriotism as well. I can really feel UR love for Iran and Iranian in UR comments. Thank U

Thank you Dear Shiefteh for

Thank you Dear Shiefteh for your continuous effort in bringing us relevant and important news and information about Iran, the IRI and its relation to other nations around the world. Your balance and unbiased view has always been appreciated and respected by many of us, I specially.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

Shifteh jan: Thanks for

Shifteh jan: Thanks for your thoughts and this post. IRI and his foreign mercenaries have a built-in intolerance for truth and accountaility. They are a hateful and increasingly irrelevant cult who will self-destruct naturally even if there was no Israel or US.

 IMF's disconnect from reality is legendary...I admit, I admire his tenacity for proving how the IRI is digging its own grave slowly, but surely.

"There is enough in this world to meet every man's need but not every man's greed." --Gahndi

Who is stupid?

IranMilitaryForum.net:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has done nothing but to isolate Iran, bring it shame, and feed the war propaganda machine with quotes that will be used as justification for attacking Iran.

Shame on you for attacking me personally for defending the poor Iranian people who are in the hands of criminal rulers who don't care about them and a world of greedy businessmen and warmongers who use quotes and actions of Iran's criminal leaders for bringing death and destruction on the decent, peace-loving Iranian people.

How is being depicted as cockroaches by the warmongers that different from being called riffraff and goats by Iran's president? None of these people have Iranian people's best interests in mind.

Shame on you for continuing to defend the indefensible. Your choice of phony news items from Fars News and Press TV is the embodiment of stupidity, if you ask me. Your choice of hostility provoking super-titles for your stupid news items is further indication of your IQ and your level of patriotism about Iran.

Thanks to

'Iranians' such as Shifteh Ansari to blame the possible future attacks on 'IRI threats' while she comfortably sits in her armchair thousands of miles away drinking her beer ignoring many thousands of threats that Iran receicevs daily from NATO, the US and the Zio-terrorists.

With 'Iranians' such as Shifteh, Iran does not need any enemies. Individuals such as her will sell Iran with pleasure for free. But rest assured she will be here to the eternity posting the the 'hardship' Iranians face daily , as she puts it, you figure this brand of patriotism!

Shifteh, support the security of Iranians without this sort of shear stupidity. 

;-)