We are a Simple People - We need a Simple Plan

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We are a Simple People - We need a Simple Plan
by Shazde Asdola Mirza
10-Jul-2011
 

Contrary to our own belief, Iranians are a simple (I mean stupid) people. Most of us don't read books, most can't understand concepts. We are generally bad with common sense and most other senses too. Go blame Islam, Shiite, tyranny or whatever - it doesn't change the fact of the matter ... we are "simple" and only simple plans have ever worked on us.

To rest my case, here I have a simple list of examples (plans that worked on us vs. those that failed):

- Successful Example: Agha Mohammad Khan whose motto was; "surrender or die".

- unsuccessful example: Constitutional Revolution and the idea of rule of law, parliment and democracy for a country filled with millions of little dictators.

- Successful Example: Reza Shah whose motto was; "Isn't this mine? Well, now it is!"

- unsuccessful example: Mosaddegh and the total collapse of the parlimentary system under the weight of "people's will", people's choice and people's vote.

- Successful Example: Savak rule for 25 years with the motto of; "divar moosh dareh - mosham goosh dareh". Actually except for 6 months you can say that Savak (or Savama) has kept ruling.

- unsuccessful example: Islamic Republic of Iran with a promised just system based on the three pilars of Islam, Democracy and National independence (esteghlal, azadi, jomhori eslami).

- Successful Example: Absolute Rule of Mullah (velayat motlagheh faghih).

QED! Now, for the opposition to succeed ... they need a very simple goal, a very simple plan, and a very simple (read stupid and stubborn) leader. I say "they", because people like me have always been and will always stay outside the government of Iran (except for very short times and except to lose all we have).

I believe that people like me should only support what the Iranian people decide to do on their own free will ... be it Green, Red, Yellow or Black. It is their freedom of choice that is important - not what they choose with open eyes and ears - free from pressure and fascist tactics.

In terms of opposition, we should support the rights of all opposition groups to freedom of speech and freedom from persecution ... as long as they reject actions against basic Human Rights and International Law.

"Bombing" is simple too and can also "Work", but at what price? And don't kid yourself, air-tight-sanction is an act of war, and just a prelude to bombing ... it will be Iraq all over again!

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that after the army pronounced its neutrality in 1979, and revolutionaries took over, a general control was put in place through the Komitehs that were essentially fed from a network of local mosques.   

At this time given that the Sepaah and the Basige are the regime, could the army be at all relied on siding with the people?  Also does the fall mean the dissolution of Sepaah and Basige or just the fall of VF?  

Ps.  Hooshang, I checked your link and found neumerous articles on an array of topics and non on civil security forces.  

 


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Mirza jan,you're projecting your fear of a liberated people once

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again.

The site I posted below in the previous comment is a day by day account of what happened in the last six months of shah's regime from Etellat newspaper, not me.

Actually  in contrast to what you project from 1977 (the beginning of revolution against shah) all the way to February 1979, Iran for once was united in a major cause and we had a period with very little crime or conflict amongst the people.

Most of what you refer to is what happened after IR was established. Many of those 'conflicts' amongst different oppresed nationalities were shemes of IR to make Kurds and Turks fight each other, which were nutralized by the poeple's intelligent intervention themselves.

In addition we have 32 years of experience behind us: all we need is a little faith in ourselves and a lot of self-organization. Students, women, workers, oppresed nationalites, (all of them inside the country) have had their organizations and have been waging a relentless war agaisnt IR, and receving some relentless crack-down from IR. Where is the organziation for millions of Iranians abroad?

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Check out the site below to get a daily account of what happened back then

//www.saamaan-no.org/entekhab.htm

Go to Appendix for Saamaan No #7

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Hooshang jan: please remember that there was not much running going on, but rather running-to-the-ground.

You couldn't get 20 liters of heating oil, in the world's 2nd largest petroleum producer. There were 2 hour long queues for half-a-dozen eggs. Fighting, burning and killing was happening in all four corners of the country ... with full blown civil war in Kurdestan. Then there was the constant in-fighting among the revolutionary groups, which led to years of street shootings and bombings, tortures and executions!

Whenever I recall those bleak years, my blood boils up and my heart freezes in despair. It was hell-on-earth and I hope it will never happen again.


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If its collapse destabilizes (here I go again Shazdeh with the term) the region then you can bet your bottom $ that foreign forces will occupy Iran.

BTW, was Iran NOT occupied by the Allied forces in WWII!? See link below:

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What happens after the fall?

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There is no way to tell. I do not think USA is able to occupy Iran so an foreign occupations is not probable. The MEK thinks they will but I doubt it. They do not have popular support. I hope Hooshang is right and that happens.


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Please do recall that: from 1977 to 1979 Iranian people had

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