One beautiful Clan, The proud Bakhtiari

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One beautiful Clan, The proud Bakhtiari
by samsam1111
19-Jul-2008
 

The late Soraya Esfandiari Bakhtiari(former empress of Iran)

 

Bakhtiaris Lor(Bozorg & Kouchak);

he Bakhtiari (or Bakhtiyari, Bakhtyari) are a group of southwestern Iranians in Fars,Lurestan and khuzestan  with their most significant Clan being Naveed Bakh on Zagross mountains.This  clan was partly responsible for putting down the Arab Secessionist movement of Shaikh Khazaal in Khuzistan during the Reza Shah rule.

A small percentage of Bakhtiari are still nomadic pastoralists, migrating between summer quarters (yaylāq, ييلاق) and winter quarters (qishlāq, قشلاق). Bakhtiaris speak Luri, Indo-European closely related to the Luri people and also related to Persian & Kurdish people. Numerical estimates of their total population widely vary between 1.5 million to 2 million.

Bakhtiaris trace a common lineage, being divided into Chahar Lang (Four "limbs") and Haft Lang (Seven "Limbs") groups. In Iranian mythology, the Bakhtiari consider themselves to be descendants of Fereydun, a legendary hero from the Persian national epic, Shahnameh.

The Bakhtiari captured Teheran under the Haft Lang Shah Sardar Assad and played a significant role in constitutional reform and the abdication of Shah Mohammed Ali (r. 1907-1909) in 1909, after which he was exiled to Russia. Riza Shah Pahlevi (r. 1925-1941) attempted to destroy the Bakhtiari and they have never fully recovered since that time. They are noted in Iran for their remarkable music which inspired Borodin.

Bakhtiari women have more status and freedom than most Iranian women and many of the daughters of the wealthier families are encouraged to receive at least basic education. Many significant Iranian politicians, governors of provinces and other dignitaries are of Bakhtiari origin.

Thank God for Bakhtiaris to keep the lil flame going for good old Iran.If it wasn,t for us Bakhtiari Lurs and the Kurds They be speaking Arabic in Tehran now .

Some famous Bakhtiaris

 

//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos2.php

//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos1.php

//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos3.php

//www.bakhtiarifamily.com/photos4.php

Dr A .M Samsam  Bakhtiari (World renowned)

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Samsam_Bakhtiari

Female Bakhtiari governor of Rhay with full bakhtiari Gear;

//www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/Pic53-BanuRayy.jpg

 

 

 

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ShapourBakhtiar

Critic the Royalist

by ShapourBakhtiar on Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:35 AM PDT

Mr. Critic, you're obviously a devoted or should i say a fanatic royalist. Bakhtiaris wanted to steal the oil? Reza shah is the hero? Reza shah murdered several prominent Bakhtiaris after he no longer saw them as useful. Mossadegh himself had a Bakhtiari father, you wanna repeat that Bakhtiaris wanted to steal the oil now?

Lying wont make your case true, specially now that Internet has every information you want. For anyone interested in the Bakhtiaris history i recommend Iranica, you can access it here: //www.iranica.com/articles/baktiari-tribe


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ebi amirhosseini

Laughing is the best medicine!!

by ebi amirhosseini on Tue Jul 29, 2008 05:53 PM PDT


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Rosie T.

Mifahmam! Mifahmam!

by Rosie T. on Tue Jul 29, 2008 05:39 PM PDT

oh poor pumpkin!

I thought this was gonna be a SAD day and I can't stop laughing!!!

 

:OD


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ebi amirhosseini

Rosie Jaan !!

by ebi amirhosseini on Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:52 PM PDT

Please read the comments on Javaneh's blog,once again,then you'll find the real " usual suspects"!!.


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Rosie T.

you know samsam ebi

by Rosie T. on Mon Jul 28, 2008 04:31 PM PDT

i spent a very long time on that reply and it may interest you to know that my computer's down and i'm in a pay by minute i'net cafe. and you asked me a bunch of questions and i gave a bunch of answers and they are the result of a lot of self-study...nobody ever taught me anything about iran...whatever i know i learned on m y own...over the past four years...but mostly condesned into two...the two in between were fallow....the only contact i had was this website..and then it opened for blogging...and ahmadinejad came to columbia and...well one thing led to another...

and...

this has really been hell in a handbasket for me...trying to survive on this website after what happened...and i've done my best...and i wondered ebi what you meant about the usual suspects ebi when I wrote on javaneh's blog...and after that you never acknowledged me again...and if you'd you never acknowledged me again...and i had reasons for saying what i said to javaneh..but suppose i DIDN'T so what/ suppose it was just a MISTAKE...does tha tmean i should no longer be acknowledged? andmy work is OUTSTANDING ...and it's beautiful... andi've been marginalized and it's not my fault...and i i still deserve to be acknowledged...especially if i'm answering your questions..with everything i know in my mind and heart and soul..adn well...there's nobody like me here on this website and there never will be again...

ever...

and i'm suffering a lot here...i really am...i'm suffering... it's been unbelieably hard...

nobody likes that word here...suffering..it'san embarrasment here, isn't it? no one's supposed to suffer here...sufering's not allowed is it? this is fun..it's a cyber amusement park..i've disgraced the website with my suffering...even though it was caused by the webmaster...i SWEAR though no fault of my own..we're all guilty to some extent and women playing victim are responsible for that too...but...i never hurt that man...ever...i wouldhave rather died befoer hurting that man....and well..

i would've liked to at least be acknowledged...especially by you ebi beecause you always used to acknowledge me...for all the work and the study and the knowledge i put into that long reply here... so much of it in reply to you ebi...i wrote that poem nation ebi..it's not even my best work...ugly ugly i said..you said ugly sounds beautiful... 

you have to suffer to write poetry like i do...but that's a dirty word here isn't it? this is just...a cybercafe..it'sonly the internet...

whatever

don't say anything to me if you can't stand me anymore...i dont' want to hear it..andi dont want pity either

robin


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Rosie T.

sam, ebi, critic balance

by Rosie T. on Tue Jul 22, 2008 03:29 PM PDT

well,,, several points

to all three, i think it's important to have a sense of the soul of a people, every people has a soul. i mean i saw Grass, the bakhtiari every year they walked how many miles, a hundred, more? THEY CROSSED THE MOUNTAINS BAREFOORT IN THE SNOW. no one really knows hw they did it. that's the soul of a  people and it has to be cherished.

at the same time histoyry and current events, a people must be looked at critically. objectively. otherwise you get extrenes, romanticized extremes of dreams of the soul of a people, that can lead to a sense of ethnic superiority, even to fascism in worst case scenarios... so thanks for the info critic...balance...

the bakhiari are one of the oldest persian peoples living in iran for thousands of years, and one of the last nomadic tribes...how can they not carry a certain glory?

like everything else it's a question of balance...

ebi, why i wrote mongols and tatars, of course they were violent conqueror...in fact some of the worst in history anywhere ever until modern times. and i'm sure they raped plenty...ao then they REALLY are your blood, all that bloodshed,...i'm talking about your history, nothing can be denied..

also i believe seljuk and qajar were not only dynasties but tribal names..i will check..but that's what i read...somewhere recently...

which leads to the question of Shah Ismail Ebi and modern Iran. I believe the first source I read it in was Katherine Babayan. Iran didn't really recover from the Mongols and Tatars for a couple of hundred years, the depopulation may have been worse than the Plague in Europe...entire cities razed...every field salted...so persia was fragmented, atomized...and it was out of this rubble that shah ismail carved the map of modern iran, in a few short years a wild sufi teenage boy created pretty much the same borders we have today...he was in many ways a hero..

and yet someone wrote me once here that he was a gangster, a marauder, he conquered by the sword, he turned iran into a garrison, that turk..but if he hadn't there very well may have been no modern iran..

so which is the truth, hero or villain. i'd wager both. balance

 

as for the greeks, sEbithe case is not so clear as the mongols and tatars...the parthians at various times were hellenes, we have (or had) the bamayan buddhas, greco-buddhist culture flourishing in eastern iran...alexander followed in the footsteps of cyrus..the achaemenids were also imperialists, way before the west was....not everyone welcomed the achaemendis with open arms...which one died fighting the saka an aryan tribe...was it cyrus or daryush...i will check...but i believe it was cyrus himself... 

balance, ibut what do i really know about persian history? or for that matter any history?


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ebi amirhosseini

Re :Critic

by ebi amirhosseini on Mon Jul 21, 2008 09:02 PM PDT

I did,tnx


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Dear Ebi

by Critic (not verified) on Mon Jul 21, 2008 03:40 AM PDT

Please check my replys in Samsam1111 blog (//iranian.com/main/blog/samsam1111/cyrus-...)

Critic

and in you own blog (//iranian.com/main/blog/ebi-amirhosseini-...)


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samsam1111

Those who bash Bakhtiaris, are the same who Bash Cyrus

by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 06:27 PM PDT

Bakhtiaris are the clan of Cyrus the great.They kept the memory of Iran alive after every foreign invasion.

Ebi ,,! I don,t know this Critic character & He/She certainly doesn,t know me..so forget about it.There has always been certain groups in Iran who get frustrated every time some one talks about ancient Iran or pure farsi. They are what I call the sympathizers to the cause of Qadesiyeh. May God cure their misguided mind.


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Diyah Shi?

by SALTY THE SAILOR (not verified) on Sun Jul 20, 2008 04:07 PM PDT

Now I've seen everything, Farsi subtitle for luri song!


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ebi amirhosseini

Dear Critic !!

by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 03:25 PM PDT

Good arguement,but please donot make it personal.WE have good & bad poeple everywhere.Since you were asking Samsam about me on my blog:نحن معترضون غلیظاً للخلیج الفارسیه! ,I left one comment for you.

best wishes


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ebi amirhosseini

Half of the world for you !

by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 01:41 PM PDT


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Rosie you may also like to know ...

by Critic (not verified) on Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:56 PM PDT

... that Bakhtiaris were the first people who reached a deal with the British to share the Persia's oil between each other and leave NOTHING for the rest of the Iranian population. In fact among the most loyal servants of the British in Iran. See these document:

//books.google.co.uk/books?id=aNBQnow_wbYC&pg...

and

//books.google.co.uk/books?id=cNXdNrH6L-oC&pg...

The Bakhtiair khan who were paid £2000 a year to protoect the oild fileds for the Britus were so ineffectual and corrput that they were sacked by their British headmasters and replaced by the Indian Lancers.

Reza Shah who had effectively removed the Fuedal and Tribalist landownership of Bakhtiaris and Qashqai tribes was so angered when he found that Bakhtiari Khans had cut a secret deal with the British at the expense of Iranian nation that ordered the removal of thier chietains from the army posts. This is what truely the Bakhtiaris are. Was it not for the quick and effective counter measure and removal of the Bakhtiari treasonous Khans from power, the Iran'a oil was all consumed by the Bakhtiaris and the Brits.

Also what Amir Baham (samsam1111) doesn't tell you is that the most brutal head of the Shah's SAVAK and its founder was General Teymour Bakhtiar (Shapur and Soraya's cousin)

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teymur_Bakhtiar

Just to complete your knowledge of Bakhtiairis.


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samsam1111

Tabarestan is the ancient name for Gilan on Caspean sea!

by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 09:58 AM PDT

Diveh sephid (white monster) who fought  Rustam in Shahnameh is from there..he was a landed immigrant and had a green Card in Tabarestan. his son Div junior is currently the head of the ministery of Man eaters (vazarateh Adam-khori) in Gilan.


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ebi amirhosseini

Rosie Jaan !!

by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:17 AM PDT

Dear,

Seljuk,Qajar were dynasties(Turk) in Iran.Mongols,Greeks & Tatars; ruled in Iran after invading & massacring poeple,Syriac???( relevant to the thread ??!!).Arabs sure,they are in Khuzestan.Tabararestaan & Tapurestaan,previous names for some areas of Iran, a long time ago.

Best Wishes

p.s.

Thanks for reminding us of our dear Azaris.

BTW what is your source on Shah Ismail !?Who says w /o him there would have been no Iran?.

 


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Rosie T.

PS Viva everybody...Your blood

by Rosie T. on Sun Jul 20, 2008 09:07 AM PDT

I wrote this on the blog last month about the gay party boy who jj made Iranian of the Day. People saiid why him, Isaid

 He is Iranian of the day because he is Inanian. He has your BLOOD. Your beautiful Iranian BLOOD. Your PERSIAN, KURDISH, ARMENIAN, BAKHTIARI, LURI, QASHQAI, GILAKI, AZERI, JEWISH, MANZANDANARI, ARAB, SELJUK, BALUCHI, PASHTO, QAJAR, GEORGIAN, SYRIAC, BANDARI, MONGOL, GREEK, TATAR, TURKMEN BLOOD.

And I said a whole bunch of other things but that's what's relevant to the thread here I think.

PPS: This one's actually very important to me so could you please answer:

If I say Tabarestaan, what does that conjure up for you?

And if I say Tapurestaan, what if anything does that conjure up?

Many thanx,

Rosie

 

 


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Rosie T.

Viva Azeri

by Rosie T. on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:55 AM PDT

Without Shah Ismaill there might not be any Iran at all either.

Well, anyway, viva everbbofy.

We are the world. We are the children.

 


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samsam1111

& thx for beatifull songs Pal!!

by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:34 AM PDT

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samsam1111

Ebi..yes defenitly !

by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:32 AM PDT

birthday boy..


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ebi amirhosseini

Samsam Jaan!!

by ebi amirhosseini on Sun Jul 20, 2008 08:12 AM PDT

Viva Bakhtiari,Lur,Kurd,Baluch,Gilak,Maazan,Turkman,.. & Kermani !.


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samsam1111

JJ are you Bakhtiari ? it,s rosie,s Idea..

by samsam1111 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 07:22 AM PDT

Bakhtiari from Dad side ..Lur Nahavand from mom side..Rosie no worries..I understand..I got you missy..thx


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Rosie T.

Thanks for the blog. I read about the Bakhtiari role in the

by Rosie T. on Sun Jul 20, 2008 07:14 AM PDT

Constitutional Movement and their subsequent persecution. I also saw the film Grass with an AMAZING new score. It was just gorgeous, the film the music everything. Once again, I'm very sorry about the confusion iwith the last thing I wrote you. I hope you understand. Oh, and one more thing. I'm pretty sure jj is part Bakhtiari if memory serves me. You should ask him. Maybe you're related. One big happy family. LOL Rosie


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