United we stand, Divided we fall

United we stand, Divided we fall
by Roozbeh_Gilani
26-Aug-2011
 

Folks:

Take a look at these two handsome guys & allies about to give each other a french kiss, and then read on.

 No single political/ideological group can get rid of islamist regime. So if you think that you can directly replace IRI with a socialist or monarchist or aryanist or greenist MKOist or whatever, forget it. Only the broadest coalition of all political groupings united in their demends for some basic prinipals (Free elections, democracy, etc....) Have a chance of getting rid of Islamist regime. 

Dont play into regime's hands by invoking secterian debates. By all means, criticize, but  avoid general attacks on ideological grounds . Islamist regime, looking at this site, must be laughing their heads off reading some of the blogs with their success on causing friction amongst opposition forces. Let me give you some examples:  Attacking Shirin Ebadi , calling her a "CIA, MI6 agent", because she is a muslim and proud of it is wrong. Lots of political opponents of the regime at Evin are devout muslims. Attacking communists because Tudeh party sucked up to islamist regime is wrong. Islamist regime has killed tens of thousands of communists and socialists and is doing so to the date. Tudeh party is rejected by vast majority of socialists and communists, even ex_Tudeh members. islamist regime's jails is full of communists, socialists and trade unionists. Attacking Reza pahlavi, and hence all monarchists because SAVAK killed so many people is wrong. RP's current platform is a secular constitutional monarchy for Iran.

Remember: Unity is strength.

Balatarin
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AMIR1973

"a minimum set of principles and goals"

by AMIR1973 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 09:18 PM PDT

Now, here is MY two cents: 1. Only Islamists, whether of the Emam Khomeini variety or the Ali Shariati species, have a role to play in shaping the future of the Islamic Iranian ummah.  2. Khomeinists should be divided into two broad categories: "reformists" (who held the IRI's premiership or presidency from 1981-2005) and "hardliners" (who have held the presidency since 2005 to the present). 3. There is a vast difference separating the two IRI factions: on the one hand, the "reformists" wish to return to Doraan-e Talaee-yeh Emam (period of Cinema Rex fire and Jaleh Square fabrications); on the other hand, the "hardliners" believe that the Doraan-e Talaee of "Islamic democracy" is already here. 4. Islamists residing in the U.S. have a right and even a duty to take advantage of U.S. freedoms to propagandize on behalf of the IRI's foreign policy, nuclear program, their favored IRI factions, and Islamist political ideology. The fact that the IRI has a long history of anti-American terrorism should not serve as a moral or intellctual barrier to U.S.-residing Islamists to pursue their advocacy. 5. The tactics pursued by the Reformists Mousavi-Karroubi-Khatami-Rafsanjani and their ilk (including their West-residing roving cyber Islamists) have yielded enormous successes and should continue being pursued. 6. Oil and natural gas do NOT constitute a major source of revenue and currency for the IRI regime. As such, they should NOT be sanctioned. Having a constant flow of oil money proceed directly into the regime's coffers prevents harm to ordinary Iranians, for whom the West-residing Islamists care so deeply. 7. Rather, there should be "targeted", worthless, and meaningless sanctions against certain individuals within the IRI (e.g. barring Khamenei from vacationing in the South of France or Boca Raton, Florida). The rest of the work of "reforming" the IRI should be left to the leaders of the people's movement for "reform", namely, Mousavi-Karroubi-Khatami-Rafsanjani et al. Most important of all, do NOT touch the IRI's oil money under any circumstances. Well, that's MY two cents. Cheers! 

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Soosan Khanoom

Mohammad

by Soosan Khanoom on Fri Aug 26, 2011 08:06 PM PDT

Why on earth do we even want to  get Religion and Politics mixed?  Throughout the history, this unholy union has brought nothing but destruction and misery.   


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BoosBoos

Mamad - Responses to you

by BoosBoos on Fri Aug 26, 2011 07:48 PM PDT


1. Change  from within = Agreed.  The Iranians in the diaspora play a supporting role = disagree / ambivalent / complicated (see explanation).



Note: Some in the diaspora can't move to Iran; there's a also a distinction between an expat and exile.  Some of the people in the diaspora are exiles because they've betrayed the people and the nation (I'm not even discussing gov't loyalty here).  Some of the people in the diaspora shouldn't move back nor should they be invited to move back (MEK et al.).  Your position is way too broadly stated; some diaspora Iranians are linked to foreign governments; you're just letting the camel's nose under the tent; diaspora Iranians should have started this long before the situation got out of hand. There's a real predicament in the diaspora now; In many ways it's the diaspora that holding back more democratic progress because the good is mixed in with the bad - the people in Iran know it - and there's no way of separating the two.  I think change must come from within; and without diaspora involvement - I don't see any other way.    


2. No interference by foreign governments in Iran's internal affairs = Agreed.  Except at a moral level = Disagreed.  "No" means "No."

3. Opposing military attacks on Iran = Agreed.

4. Opposing sanctions = Agreed. 

5. Supporting the territorial integrity of Iran. The struggle must not be an excuse for separatists = Agreed (and that's one of the problems now with diaspora involvement - diaspora Iranians have been asleep on this issue, and the fly is already in the soup). 

6. Opposing religion in governance /opposing disrespecting people's religious beliefs = Agreed.

7. Ambivalent as to specifics because you include concepts you don't define nor define the practical application of.  This will need more work - then it's agreeable.


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Mammad

Unity must be principled

by Mammad on Fri Aug 26, 2011 07:16 PM PDT

Otherwise, unity will not solve anything, but will make everything more complex.

To be united based on principles, there has to be a minimum set of principles and goals on which all those that agree to be part of the united front can agree on. So, what is the minimum set of principles and goals that everyone must agree on? Here is my two cents:

1. Change must come from within through a peaceful struggle. Peaceful does not mean appeasing, or looking for meaningless or superficial reforms, rather one that employs all peaceful means, including large-scale demonstrations, strikes and civil disobedience. The Iranians in the diaspora play a supporting role for the struggle within Iran, not a decision-making role. Those who want to be part of the decision-making process should move to Iran.

2. Absolutely no interference by foreign governments in Iran's internal affairs and struggle, except at a moral level.

3. Opposing military attacks on Iran under any conditions.

4. Opposing sanctions that hurt only the ordinary people, but do nothing to dislodge the ruling elite.

5. Supporting the territorial integrity of Iran. The struggle must not be an excuse for separatists that are nothing but agents of foreign government. Just recall the recent conference in London. 

6. Opposing religion in governance - but not religion in politics (such as the religious right in the U.S. and Christian Democrats in Europe) - and opposing disrespecting people's religious beliefs, regardless of their religion.

7. The goal is establishment of a democratic political system, one in which no one is discriminated against regardless of his/her religion, gender, ethnicity, and race. All citizens all equal. No one has more rights, or special rights. In my opinion, only a republican system can create that.

Mammad


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maziar 58

yes and yes

by maziar 58 on Fri Aug 26, 2011 06:49 PM PDT

Roozbeh khan to all it said but how?

maybe the final push have to come from the mullah themselves.

And it doe's not have to be a surgical attack; Just a tasbih and an Estekhareh.!

thanks for a good blog.

Maziar


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Rea

Chapeau, Roozbeh G.

by Rea on Fri Aug 26, 2011 05:38 PM PDT

Simple, yet true to the core.


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Cost-of-Progress

Dear Roozbeh,

by Cost-of-Progress on Fri Aug 26, 2011 05:25 PM PDT

I hear you. I know the young people are the hope for Iran, or she will change forever. bad news for Iran, though, is that the ratio of civil vs uncivilized here may be off, unfortunately, if you catch my drift!

BTW, we make no difference here, just venting off.  

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IRAN FIRST

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Cost-of-Progress

 آقای بوس بوس،

Cost-of-Progress
Fri Aug 26, 2011 05:20 PM PDT

 آقای بوس بوس،

مرده حسابی چه انتظاری داری؟ آمدی با همه دوا داری و فقط منطق شما درسته؟ شما اصلان میدونی با چی مخالفی؟

 

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IRAN FIRST

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Roozbeh_Gilani

COP, on representetive government ......

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri Aug 26, 2011 02:29 PM PDT

 & if it is happening, actually i am very hopefull. You see i was in Iran during post election uprising and I had my arrogant know all nose rubbed properly into it by some young folks about half my age, discussing politics.

The young folks in Iran are very different from what they seemed to have been back in 1979. I was about 7 or 8 when revolution happened myself, but I still know people who fought for revolution and lost everything, yet do not seem to have learnt anything. Really a "rpresentative government" is what most of these young people want, regardless of their political stances. These young people are still there, but just under surface.

My blog was more targetted at us, on this site. Frankly I am begining to wonder if we are making any positive contribution towards the events in Iran at such critical time. I really think the regime is extremely week, but would not go without a final decisive push. Again unity is achievable through  objective and civil, respectful yet direct debate. Out of these debates can come out an strategy on how we can really and meaningfuly help our people back home. How we can help them to achieve freedom and democracy. If we dont, others will do it for us. Have no doubt about it, this regime is a gonner. The question is, who is going to get rid of them. We the Iranains, or others. Who is gonna apply the final push, the forces of democracy and liberty or some chalabi like charlatan........

Shazdeh: I am hearing you loud and clear. You disagree with me, and that is your right and i respect it. Thanks for contributing

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


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BoosBoos

Question for Cost of Progress

by BoosBoos on Fri Aug 26, 2011 02:02 PM PDT


Does the "respect and unity" you referenced in your 2 posts (14 minutes apart) include branding people spies for IRI (based on zero personal knowledge of facts about who they are or what they do for a living) simply because you disagree with someone's point of view?   



" by Cost-of-Progress on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:12 PM PDT Respect/unity or whatever else you call it is absolutely needed. "


 


" by Cost-of-Progress on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:58 AM PDT He's on assignment in the West."  


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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Shazdeh

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:55 PM PDT

 

I think you are mixing unity with something else! We may be united in a goal while having different points of view. Say we are all on a sinking ship. We could be united in our goal to bail out the ship. Work together; pass the buckets and save the ship. Or we could argue over who is going to fill the bucket and who pass it to the next guy. We shall sink! Once the ship gets bailed we are not required to be slaves. We =shake hands and go our way. That is what I am meaning.


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Shazde Asdola Mirza

Yes to Unity means Yes to Tyranny!

by Shazde Asdola Mirza on Fri Aug 26, 2011 01:40 PM PDT

As long as we don't understand the Western Open Society and its democratic ways, which is based not on UNITY but on respect for individual and social rights ... we can never get past Tyranny!

Why the hell should we have wanted to get United and topple Shah? To bring another much worse monster (Khomeini)?

Why the hell should we unite behind any single group or person to topple Khamenei? To bring another worse dictator (...)?

NO NO NO ... understand the Western way ... understand the way of the free ... understand the way of the citizenship within an Open Society ... and we will never be slaves again to any "UNITY" ... neither holy nor ideological.


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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Re: UNITY was the motto of Khomeini (Hamah Ba Ham)!

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:13 PM PDT

Yes and he managed to topple the Pahlavi. Sounds like a successful plan to me! Khomeini went on to lie and abuse his power. That does not mean others need to do that. Yes to unity; no to tyrrany. 

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Cost-of-Progress

Roozbeh jaan

by Cost-of-Progress on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:12 PM PDT

Respect/unity or whatever else you call it is absolutely needed.

As I've said before, I believe that a representative government is what Iran needs to get back on the saddle. For that, we all must learn to respect each other and get along.

Do you see it happening?

The thugs in power and their proxies are counting on it not to.

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IRAN FIRST

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Roozbeh_Gilani

Respect is a good start shazdeh.

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:10 PM PDT

 If I read  your point on khomeini's motto correctly, I guess the obvious question raised by your concern  would be: Unity over what? Which is an absolutely valid question....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


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Soosan Khanoom

Great blog ...Rozbeh

by Soosan Khanoom on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:03 PM PDT

Yes we can ....

or perhaps we can .. LOL 


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Shazde Asdola Mirza

No Unity ... just respect for people who can work for freedom

by Shazde Asdola Mirza on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT

UNITY was the motto of Khomeini (Hamah Ba Ham)!

Unity means all in one way or under one umbrella. I say: No to Unity!

Only respect and mutual support for the rights and freedoms of those who work for freedom of Iran from IRI, and who agree on:

UN charter of human rights and freedoms!


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Roozbeh_Gilani

Thank you Masoud, Thank you VPK...

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:00 PM PDT

For understanding the gist of my comment. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


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Roozbeh_Gilani

Mehrdad, we agree!

by Roozbeh_Gilani on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:57 AM PDT

On your cautionary note too.

What prompted me to write this blog was amazing in fighting between people on this site over the past couple of weeks. People whom I know are otherwise sharing the same vision for a united , free of islamist dictatorship Iran, regardless of their ideologies or final visions for an "ideal society".

 I must say though, the personal attacks on Shirin Ebadi, really got at me. hardly an unqualified supporter of her, and having voiced my own objections to some of her stances, I thought calling her an MI6/CIA spy, without being able to provide a shred of evidence ,  was simply below contempt.

We, as a community , really need to learn to stop this thuggish on line behaviour in preference for a constructive confrontation approach to our debates.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."


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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

I am with

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:55 AM PDT

Mehrdad on ths unit thing; sure we need it. But you have to be careful who you get together with. I rather not bring in a poison snake along. Because it will trun around and bite me. Shirin Ebadi is fine; I would even accept Karroubi who I think is more brave than Ebadi. But there is one group I will not accept and you all know what group that is. The one that no person will be a part of.

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Masoud Kazemzadeh

Dear Roozbeh, Thank YOU

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:48 AM PDT

Roozbeh jaan,

Thank you for your post. I fully agree with you.

Best,

Masoud


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Bavafa

I will heed and cheer your call for unity

by Bavafa on Fri Aug 26, 2011 09:38 AM PDT

I absolutely believe that unity is single most important element in defeating IRI and by that bringing [secular] democracy, freedom and hopefully independence from foreign political interference to Iran.

I agree that no single group can bring enough Iranians together to defeat this despicable regime. But we also need to be mindful that these groups won't become the source of division among us either. I know only of one group and believe because of its past and present, its ideology and alliance, it has been the cause of much division and it ought to be shunned from any participation.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad


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