Quintessential Questions

IRANdokht aziz, what you

IRANdokht aziz, what you just said, represents exactly what has been wrong with the world’s and minority of Iranians’ view on the IRI, an it reflects what I’ve been trying to say all along. Yes, I do give all the credit to the IRI because it deserves it. The IRI is the biggest source of instability in the world, by far. They’re ability to produce “fetneh” in other countries, specially Muslim countries, is I think close to limitless. Remember, the world didn’t understand Hitler’s threat till it was too late, either. Don’t look at Iran’s military or economic ability to figure out whether you should “give credit” to them or not. Iran uses an extremely smart and extremely hidden network of radical muslims around the world to further its agenda. About 50% of them, don’t even have ties to Iran, but they are after and inspired heavily, the Islamic government model that Khomeini presented. Did you know that Bin Laden himself has said that his idol is Khomeini? The other 50% like Hamas, Hezbollah, groups in Iraq, Afghanistan, Algeria, and elsehwhere, have direct links to Iran. And as far who give them wings, let me as clear as possible: some of us Iranians. We are the ones to blame. Who went to the streets? Who were the early basidjis and Sepahis ? Iranians, no one else. The ones who gave them wings were the Islamic Marxists, leftists and Islamic forces who all allied during the revolution to overthrow Shah. The average Iranian, like myself, wanted the demolition of monarchy,, badly, to be replaced with a democratic government. Khomeini and his allies wanted something else.

Anonym7, the best source of

Anonym7, the best source of how the IRI operates is not George Sorous who probably has never been to Iran. The best source is the Iranian people who either at some point dealt (like me) or are dealing (like the people in Iran for the last 30 years), with the mind boggling brutality of this regime. And the vast majority of Iranians around the world, especially in Iran, consider IRI to be the biggest threat to world peace. Furthermore, according to a recent world opinion poll, the IRI was ranked as the number 1 threat to world peace. That poll was conducted in European, American and Islamic countries. If you consider IRI to be a victim of “Israeli aggression”, then you have made 70 million Iranians speechless. Like I said before, some of us think its cool to be “bada@@” by bashing the U.S because “you can”. Some of us also carry lot of enviousness and jealousy towards the U.S. Some of us are lost and confused and been brainwashed by the leftist and Islamic propaganda machine. Majority of us are not like that.

IRANdokht, you said” There

IRANdokht, you said” There are a lot of anti-IRI articles on the internet too, would that be a proof of freedom of speech in Iran?”. Hows a blog posted OUTSIDE of Iran against the regime count as freedom of speech INSIDE of Iran?
The shows I mentioned are just of the few ones out of thousands of newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, blogs, websites, ……and yes, they are a sign of free speech. Please go ahead and read my initial posting again.
Again, first you guys say there is no free speech besides C Span and then you come around and mentions bunch of others shows, like Democracy now! (which I watch by the way) that illustrates, according to your own statement, free speech in the U.S. You guys are contradicting and discrediting yourselves, as always I might add! My initial objection too Qs posting was that she said C Spain is the only free speech outlet in the U.S. That statement comes out of pure hatred for this country. Even people like Bin Laden or Khomeini don’t agree with that!
I’m not happy with things work in the U.S. I am very dissatisfied wit the way Iraq war was handled, with gas prices, with health care issues, with government incompetence, with some of other things also…No country, in the course of history, has ever had a 100% of its population happy with the way things work. But I firmly believe, according to facts and figures, that U.S still is the greatest country and a beacon for the promotion of democratic ideas. Just look at all the money that the US taxpayer and government gives for disease cure, education, NGO support and other things, around the world. That’s also promotion of democracy, not only through wars! But that’s not our discussion. The biggest objection I have to you guys’ argument is the fact that, and I’m not saying you, lot of guys here apologize for the IRI, which I consider to be the root of all evil, not only for Iran, but for the whole world. (and a recent world opinion poll showed that the world public opinion agrees with this belief.) I have problem with some guys here connecting what IRI does to things like “free speech to the U.S’. I mean Q was saying that pretty much AIPAC controls the world, and U.S doesn’t have free speech, and the lady who came on C Span bashing AIPAC and apologizing for the IRI, is the only example of free speech in the U.S! What’s wrong with this mentality: 1- Blaming Israel on 30 years of brutal atrocities of the IRI. 2- Believing in the fiction that U.S, with its 6 million Jewish populations (close to half of them being anti Zionism), controlling every single thing that happens in the world.. 3- believing that free speech in the U.S, (Which globally ranks 12 by the way in democracy index), only exists in C span (which I watch a lot he time), 4- basically saying that the only way you tell the truth is if you apologize for the IRI. You see where I’m going with all this?

IRANdokht aziz, what you

IRANdokht aziz, what you just said, represents exactly what has been wrong with the world’s and minority of Iranians’ view on the IRI, an it reflects what I’ve been trying to say all along. Yes, I do give all the credit to the IRI because it deserves it. The IRI is the biggest source of instability in the world, by far. They’re ability to produce “fetneh” in other countries, specially Muslim countries, is I think close to limitless. Remember, the world didn’t understand Hitler’s threat till it was too late, either. Don’t look at Iran’s military or economic ability to figure out whether you should “give credit” to them or not. Iran uses an extremely smart and extremely hidden network of radical muslims around the world to further its agenda. About 50% of them, don’t even have ties to Iran, but they are after and inspired heavily, the Islamic government model that Khomeini presented. Did you know that Bin Laden himself has said that his idol is Khomeini? The other 50% like Hamas, Hezbollah, groups in Iraq, Afghanistan, Algeria, and elsehwhere, have direct links to Iran. And as far who give them wings, let me as clear as possible: some of us Iranians. We are the ones to blame. Who went to the streets? Who were the early basidjis and Sepahis ? Iranians, no one else. The ones who gave them wings were the Islamic Marxists, leftists and Islamic forces who all allied during the revolution to overthrow Shah. The average Iranian, like myself, wanted the demolition of monarchy,, badly, to be replaced with a democratic government. Khomeini and his allies wanted something else.

Q I just got this "Gem" from Fred

I think he just does a copy/paste job:

by Fred on Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:35 AM CDT

Engaging the Lefty-Anti-Semites, the strategic allies of the Islamists, in even a halfhearted discussion only legitimizes their warped worldview. Just like one does not give heroin to an addict, this mind set needs to be challenged on each and every one of their ad nauseam allegations. The burden of proof is on them not the other way around."

Fred thanks for giving us the high-ground you just prove time and again that you're a nasty piece of work with no arguments or anything worth listening to. Thanks...

yes Mr. Kashani AIPAC is ...

yes Mr. Kashani AIPAC is the root ... not only many of us say it, George Soros says it in the most explicit way:
George Soros says:
"I am not sufficiently engaged in Jewish affairs to be involved in the reform of AIPAC; but I must speak out in favor of the critical process that is at the heart of our open society. I believe that a much-needed self-examination of American policy in the Middle East has started in this country; but it can't make much headway as long as AIPAC retains powerful influence in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Some leaders of the Democratic Party have promised to bring about a change of direction but they cannot deliver on that promise until they are able to resist the dictates of AIPAC. Palestine is a place of critical importance where positive change is still possible. Iraq is largely beyond our control; but if we succeeded in settling the Palestinian problem we would be in a much better position to engage in negotiations with Iran and extricate ourselves from Iraq."

Kashani re: free speech

  even if for the sake of argument, I accept your views on blogs and internet, that in itself, is the greatest evidence of freedom of speech in the U.S.

There are a lot of anti-IRI articles on the internet too, would that be a proof of freedom of speech in Iran?

dear friend, you think a few very careful jokes and statements in two of the shows on comedy central is all a free country needs?  I watch them too and I watch every new episode, They're great pressure relief for people to let out some of the steam before they get too fed up. They are counting on you and people who are satisfied with the same level of free speech.

But I am going to help you here and since you don't seem to know about this, I'll make your argument for you: Free Speech TV and programs like Democracy Now! and INN report (also the new Grit TV) are much more significant and prove your point much better than the comedy central shows. You should watch them some time, then you'll see that what Colbert and Stewart say is about 1/100 of the real news.  

Beware once you start watching those programs you'll know a lot more about these topics, you'll see that in the country so proud of the first ammendment of the constitution, to have free speech people have to pay for it and amongst Dish Network channels, the free speech TV would have a place far far away (channel 9415) to make sure only the people who know about it and search for it, would ever be able to get the real information.  

Please don't get me wrong, I am very happy for you and every one else who thinks they are satisfied with the way things work, and all they are waiting for is for a foreign intervention to take the mullahs away and put someone else in their place. It's much harder for the rest of us who realize the obstacles Iranians have on their way to democracy, the great powers who would do anything to make sure Iran would not be a free and democratic country... people like me are afraid of the military attacks that seem so imminent and we hurt more thinking about the destruction of our nation.  But you're free to praise USA's freedom of speech and democracy spreading policies.

IRANdokht

Kashani you are stretching like there's no tomorrow...

Once again, the Zionist squad speaks on behalf of Iranians:

"Iranians have realized that the IRI is the root of all evil, not AIPAC, not the U.S, not even China or Russia, or anyone else"

What a load of unsubstantiated crap! I won't bother asking for proof, as was said before Zionists think their word is law.

Plain and simple!

I'm against the IRI, but if they are attacked, whatever their response, it will be considered as self-defence!

Any being or entity on this planet has the right of self-defence and if we say 'any' that includes the IRI.

Aghayeh Kashani

... the days that our country was butchered in the name of blind Anti Americanism and anti Zionism or anti Israel or anti Jew or anti whatever you wanna call it, is over, and you guys need to realize that. Iranians have realized that the IRI is the root of all evil, not AIPAC, not the U.S, not even China or Russia, or anyone else, and the silent majority has awakened. Live with it.

I think you are giving IRI way too much credit my friend.  Who gave wings to the mullahs? who brought them in power? and who is still supporting them by constantly pretending to threaten them? It's clear that the foreign pressures have kept IRI in power. Who has the ability and the will to meddle with other countries politics? Unlike you, I don't give the credit to a bunch of akhounds. I know better.

IRANdokht

Q, first of all, the only

Q, first of all, the only reason that you hear about the AIPAC alleged ability to cook up a war against Iran, only in the leftist and IRI apologists circles, is because that’s where it belongs! It is only you guys, and maybe a few confused followers around the world, who think AIPAC is cooking up a war because ”it hates Iran”, and it is also you guys that only think that AIPAC is some “ultra human organization that controls the world”. Most people around the world, although admit strong ties between Israel and the U.S, do not have confused ideological beliefs about it. That’s why you don’t hear about it too often. Second, you wanted one example, how about I give you three: Just this week Jon Stewart had a whole segment about why the U.S doesn’t criticize Israel the way it should, and Jimmy Carter writing a book heavily crisizing Israel, and the article that came out few months ago by 2 professors in the Chicago Tribune heavily criticizing Israel and AIPAC. IRANdokht, the days that our country was butchered in the name of blind Anti Americanism and anti Zionism or anti Israel or anti Jew or anti whatever you wanna call it, is over, and you guys need to realize that. Iranians have realized that the IRI is the root of all evil, not AIPAC, not the U.S, not even China or Russia, or anyone else, and the silent majority has awakened. Live with it.

Israeli aggression would spare no one!

American blood on Israeli hands:

//buchanan.org/blog/2008/06/uss-liberty-new-r...

Shabbas Goyim

These so-called anti-Islamists will assume the mantle of Islam the very second that Uncle Sam starts intensifying its support of fanatical anti-Iranian/anti-Shia Sunni Islamists, as it has already started doing in Iraq and Lebanon. You tried to come to power on the backs of Saddam's tanks in the 1980s, but you were expelled by the Iranian patriots who defended their homeland from that U.S.-backed Arab invasion of Iran. Meanwhile, they embarrass themselves with their slavish worship of all things Zionist. The Yiddish term for such mercenary lowlifes is "Shabbas Goyim"

IRANdokht, are you serious?

IRANdokht, are you serious? First of all, shows such as Colbets and Jon Stewart hosts some of the most highest politicians in the office. And the questions those politicians get asked on these shows are some of the most direct and serious questions, nothing “satirical” about it. Maybe you need to watch them more. You disagree with what Fox or CNN says, and thats fine, however, we’re talking about media in the United States being able to ask the highest position in power without fear of prosecution, i.e. freedom of speech.
And as far as the blogs and internet is concerned, first of all, I disagree with you, second of all, maybe you need to read the comment Mr or Ms. Q put on this article before attacking me. So, even if for the sake of argument, I accept your views on blogs and internet, that in itself, is the greatest evidence of freedom of speech in the U.S. It looks like you’re shooting yourself in the foot???
Which planet do you live in?

Stop the War Threats,

Stop the War Threats, Emphasize Diplomacy with Iran, Says Bob Barr
(source: Third Party Watch)
Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Editor's note: Barr represented the 7th District of Georgia in the U. S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003, where he served as a senior member of the Judiciary Committee, as Vice-Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and as a member of the Committee on Financial Services. Prior to his congressional career, Barr was appointed by President Reagan to serve as the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, and also served as an official with the CIA for eight years. He has graduate and undergraduate degrees in international relations and has lived in both Iran and Iraq.

Washington is filled with rumors of pending American or Israeli military action against Iran, says Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate for President. But “an attack on Iran would be unnecessary, counterproductive, costly and dangerous,” he warns.

Our own intelligence services tell us that Iran is not actively working to build a nuclear bomb and is years away from having nuclear weapons capability. “There is no imminent threat, and only an imminent threat can ever justify a preemptive strike,” insists Barr. “The tragedy in Iraq demonstrates the counterproductive consequences of initiating war without any compelling justification.”

Although Sen. John McCain claims to want diplomacy to work, he has joked about attacking Iran, singing “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” to the old Beach Boys’ tune Barbara Ann. Sen. Barack Obama has raised the issue of talking with hostile regimes essentially at any time and any place with any hostile regime, but nevertheless pointed to the possibility of military action when he spoke to AIPAC. “Neither Sen. McCain nor Sen. Obama can be trusted to keep the peace,” says Barr.

The potential consequences of war, Barr explains, “include attacks on our troops stationed in Iraq, threats to the Gulf oil trade, terrorist attacks around the world, subversion of friendly Arab and Muslim governments, destruction of the democracy movement within Iran, and enduring hostility towards America throughout much of the world.” To risk paying such a price without attempting to deal directly with the Iranian regime “would be counterproductive, costly, and dangerous. Even as our hand-picked and supported Prime Minister Maliki in Iraq talks with Iranian leaders, and even as the Olmert government in Israel talks with the Assad regime in Syria, the Bush Administration refuses to engage one of the largest and most important countries in that part of the world – Iran. This makes no sense.”

Moreover, notes Barr, a former House member, “the power to declare war on Iran lies with the Congress, not the president.” Unfortunately, presidents have routinely abused their role as commander-in-chief of the military. “The president is to direct any war, but the Constitution vests the power to decide if there will be a war in the legislative branch,” emphasizes Barr.

Defusing the confrontation with Iran will not be easy, notes Barr, “but any nonproliferation strategy must begin with diplomacy and include a willingness to address the other side.” In this way President George W. Bush has failed, and Sen. McCain is set to follow in his footsteps. Sen. Obama may be more inclined to try a new approach, but “he is a weather vane, pushed around by the lightest political breezes,” says Barr. “We need new leadership that is both strong and thoughtful to meet today’s many serious foreign policy challenges, such as Iran.”

Barr represented the 7th District of Georgia in the U. S. House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003, where he served as a senior member of the Judiciary Committee, as Vice-Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and as a member of the Committee on Financial Services. Prior to his congressional career, Barr was appointed by President Reagan to serve as the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, and also served as an official with the CIA for eight years. He has graduate and undergraduate degrees in international relations and has lived in both Iran and Iraq.

Since leaving Congress, Barr has been practicing law and has teamed up with groups ranging from the American Civil Liberties Union to the American Conservative Union to actively advocate every American citizens’ right to privacy and other civil liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. Along with this, Bob is committed to helping elect leaders who will strive for smaller government, lower taxes and abundant individual freedom.

read more here: //www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php

Anon7: Please read Jaleho's

Anon7:

Please read Jaleho's comments and see if there is no reason for Israel to be afraid:

//iranian.com/main/blog/mazloom-ast/what-...

Thanks Q

I watch CSPAN every morning and the great thing about the CSPAN is that the Right wing Grand Old Party can't claim it's a liberal (read democratic).

NOTE Imagine a party that thinks the word "liberal" is bad!!!

She makes sense. thanks for the post.

Rice warns Iran that world

Rice warns Iran that world has lost its patience

Rice warns Iran that putting off talks about nuclear program has cost the world's patience

ANNE GEARAN
AP News

Jun 11, 2008 15:31 EST

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned on Wednesday that the world has lost patience for Iranian foot-dragging regarding a possible return to bargaining over its nuclear program.
Traveling to Europe, where Iran is a central topic for President Bush's final trip there as president, Rice welcomed Europe's new willingness to consider additional coercive sanctions against Iran. She suggested European nations expect a quick answer from Iran once it receives a repackaged opening offer.

A European envoy was to deliver the offer — essentially a retooling of a two-year-old package of incentives for Iran to roll back its nuclear program — as soon as this weekend.

"I'm going to be attentive to it, and I think others will be attentive to any sense that Iran is trying to use this opportunity for them to stall, because I think that no one is of a mind to allow them to stall very much longer," Rice said.

The United States agreed last month to give Iran another chance to resume arms control talks by making small changes to the existing offer, but Iran has already rejected a demand that it shelve uranium enrichment before talks could begin.

Any new European sanctions would probably wait until nations have an answer, Rice suggested.

"People are looking to see whether the Iranians have a reasonable response, a forthcoming response," she said. "It's not as if proposals haven't been put forward to them before."

Rice welcomed support from German Chancellor Angela Merkel and others for possible additional sanctions on the oil-producing giant if it continues a drive for nuclear technology that the West fears could produce a bomb. New sanctions could target Iran's banking sector, where individual sanctions applied by the United States have apparently pinched Iran.

The United Nations Security Council has passed three rounds of weak sanctions against Iran that have the chief value of making uranium enrichment the international red line. Europe, with economic and diplomatic ties to Iran, has been slower than the United States to embrace separate financial punishments.
//www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Rice_warns_Ir...

tik tik tik tik

Tik tik tik, not much time left for Israel to have US support. It will be gone and let the game begin :)

hammer time

Thanks Fred, you have

Thanks Fred, you have wonderfully proved Q and I correct that you equate smearing and insulting your opponents with truth...your moral calculus is so warped that you belief you don't even need to provide arguments anymore since your position is so totally 'self-evident' that giving it a rational basis with such 'kooky' things as facts would be like debasing the proposition's very 'intrinsic' 'self-evidence' - obscurantist nonsense as per usual. Specious sophistry of course! And don't invoke the Holocaust you have no right, you degrade the memory of those who perished when you invoke the mass-murder of 6 million Jews by the mad man Hitler in a petty squabble like this. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Ba Arezu-ye Movafaghiat, Sadegh

there really is no reason for war

Granted that there are some extremists in our side and there are many extremist loose cannons in the Israeli side, I really don't see any reason for a war and I am not the first one saying that here. 2/3 of Israelis and 3/3 of Iranians aren't looking for a war. Look around you we are communicating with Zions, Hadasas,.. .... my friend (or my good enemy) Zion for example gets cranky here and there and blows a fuse or two but I rather argue with him than a fanatic Saudi .... a fanatic Saudi will give me an ultimatum in a few minutes! .... maybe IRI and the Jewish State should start talking, other countries have benefited enough from this nonsense:
--Russians selling Oil higher
--U.S oil companies showing record profits
--Indians extored the U.S to vote unfairly against Iran
--....
--....

Zionazis can dream as much as they want

The Zionazis must try to survive on their own. the time that my tax money goes to them are numbered. Sold Iranian and Israeli Zionazis should be place somewhere far in Alaska. We need peace and for that we need devils out of the human lives.
One Zionazi rock towards Iran will be the end of all the Zionazis in the world, Sold Iranians or Jews or Christians. You heard it here first folks.

Yes Fred, Truth is like a rotton tomatoe

"constant repackaging dated off-the-shelf lefty stock sentences along with citation also deserve the same treatment."

I love it! Your only defense is that it has been used before! I didn't realize truth goes stale like a rotton tomatoe. I was under the impression that truth is eternal.

I'm sorry that you Zionists need more entertainment before accepting facts. Next time we should put a naked woman in the background, so that you sleepy zionists don't get bored!

Please answer Farhad

Please answer Farhad Kashani??

Who started the artificial Israeli-Iranian conflict???

Israelis just want to be left alone. Stop antagozing Israelis and the US. Your fearmongering is getting old. The democrats to score political points have resort to this kind of sheninegans all the time. It's all for domestic consumption in the US.

True Jewish people are against Israeli Warmongers

everyone should watch what Zionists do to anyone they do not like. They do not respect free speech. They do not want people to know about true Jewish traditions.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY

long live Palestine. Long live the Jewish nation. Down with Israel.

Evangelicals not Jews...

A lot of people think the Jewish community is forcing US to start a war with Iran. Wrong. Minority Jews like AIPAC have taped into the almost majority evangelicals who want to threat and attack Iran. The evangelicals (Bushis) are more pro Israel than most Jews. Very much like Iranian Hezbollahis who are more pro Palestinian than Arabs. The crap these nut-head American evangelicals read in the Old Testament makes Israel more holy than Jesus’ sphincter.

When have you zionists provided "citations" for anything?

citations? That's for the lesser humans. YOUR word is law, there is no need to support it! Go ahead call me anything you want, everyone trusts the "chosen", no need to prove it!

Fred: Excellent. Their

Fred: Excellent. Their cliche-ridden recitation of anti-Israeli and anti-
Imperialism vitriolic have become quite stale! Yawn, indeed.

Islamists' pro bono defender

The Islamists' pro bono defender of this cyber world should know; when one faces malarkey one does the befitting thing.  Not all hogwash even the one with extensive citations deserve a counter argument. That is the game Islamist Republic and its offspring play, like their president denies the Holocaust and demands counter argument. BTW constant repackaging dated off-the-shelf lefty stock sentences along with citation also deserve the same treatment.

[yawn]

Not the same old mumbo jumbo again. This is getting so boring. Some creativity buddies.