Dr Sa'eed Khan on the Baha'is circa 1926

More on NUR ,believe it or not...

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/early-heartfelt-message-about-nima-wahid-azal-nur-old-friend

Haifan Baha'ism is now exposed and it is evident why...

//www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith

NUR is finally exposed, READ ALL ABOUT IT !

//iranian.com/main/blog/faryarm/source-watch-0

DETNUR

No shame...you answer first SAVAKi

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR - It is now clear that you are ashamed to answer these Qs

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR

Your answer has already been given

413

None of your business.

Now answer a few of mine,

1) Who are you and what is your real name?

2)  What creed or organization do you belong to?

3) What position do you occupy?

4) Are you now or have you ever worked on behalf of the Baha'i Internet Agency headed by Matthew Weinberg at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, occupied Palestine?

 5) Why do you see the need in hiding behind a pseudonym and masking your identity?

6) What are your goals to that end?

7) What is your primary motivation in ascertaining logistical information about my group?

8) Are you a sayanim and work for Mossad?

9) Is your organization attempting to manufacture consent through fictitious and exagerrated narratives about persecution in Iran?

10) What would you consider your motivation to that end?

11) Is your organization attempting to foment international discord and lobby for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran?

12) What is your position on the current policy of President Obama in wishing engagement with Iran?

13) Do you believe that Baha'ism should replace the national religion in Iran, and is your organization attempting to replace the mullah's theocracy with a Baha'i theocracy? 

Don't get frustrated. Just answer the questions. Looking in the mirror of your organizational duplicity and Stalinism can't be that bad. Or can it?

See Sourcewatch entry, Baha'i Faith.

NUR- Now that you are responding you can try answering next!

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling? How do you know?  Any references you can site?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

and finally...

12) Why don't you answer these basic questions? 

Even if you don't have a reference to cite, it would good to at least tell us the basis for the answers.

DETNUR

None of your business

Hope that answers your question... 

413

NUR = Ruhi Student....just answer the questions.

1) How many people in your group?

2) Are you a clergyman in this group?

3) How often do you meet?

4) Where do most of these people live?

5) Is this group growing in numbers or dwindling?

6) What are the goals of this group?

7) How does this group organize itself or does it have a community?

8) Is this group recognized by any organization or civil or international body?

9) Is this group persecuted in Iran or elsewhere? If so, can you reference any evidence to support this claim?

10) What would be considered an achievement for this group?

11) Could you tell us some of the principles of your Faith?

Don't get frustrated, just answer these questions.  Looking in the mirror can't be that bad.  (or is it?)

DETNUR

Ruhi graduate said it all...

Whether the anon poster had their tongue in their cheek or not, the attitude they exhibit in the post is very much the attitude of contemporary Baha'is to these questions. Once again, I quote Dr. Sa'eed Khan,

 From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

 "...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.

413

I am Ruhi Graduate

I am a Ruhi Graduate and what I have learned from Ruhi Books regarding Subh-i-Azal is that he was a very Bad Guy, He was always behind Baha'u'llah and due to him Baha'u'llah had to suffer to the greatest extent. He was a Covenant Breaker. We bahais have so many reasons to hate Azal, infact we are being taught to hate him. Thanks to Ruhi Books which opened my eyes.

Answer to the ahistorical Bahai arajif of pseudo-historian

Arajif number 1: If Baha'u'llah was so evil, why did the majority of the Babis turn to Him?

Answer: The majority of Babis did not turn or follow Husayn 'Ali Nari. This is a myth without foundation peddled by the Baha'is, like the myth and lie about the final remains of the Primal Point being in Haifa, Palestine, were they are not. Baha'i histories have fabricated a historical lie. Pray tell, and I have challenged you cultists many times on this point, name one by one all the early Babis who turned to Husayn 'Ali Nari, and also explain why Husayn 'Ali Nari had Letters of the Living like Mulla Rajab 'Ali Qahir and his brother Siraj  and similar assassinated for rejecting him?

Arajif #2: If Azal, and later those who followed him, were the true carriers of the Divine Message, why have they sunk into relative oblivion?

Arajif #3: What really is Azal's legacy?

The Constitutional Revolution of Iran, whose founding fathers were Mirza Aqa Khan Kirmani and Shaykh Ahmad Ruhi, both sons-in-law of Azal; Sadiqa Dawlatabadi, the first modern Iranian feminist, and the rest of the Dawlatabadi family. And if you are talking about a literary legacy, Subh-i-Azal had twice more literary output than your Husayn 'Ali Nari and his son Abbas the Khanas combined, i.e. 101 to 121 individual works the majority of which exceed 200 pages +. But let me ask you this: what is Husayn 'Ali Nari's real legacy beyond the European Colonial powers that made it for him?
 

Arajif #4: Where are the fruits of his message?

The movement for freedom and democracy in Iran that your Abbas Effendi publically decided not to support with his Risalih-i-Siasiya, and you Baha'is have never supported ever since. And where are the fruits of your message beyond support for the Shah's SAVAK; beyond your organization's friendship with Idi Amin; beyond your organization's service in Augusto Pinochet's Chilean junta cabinet; beyond your support for the invasion of Iraq and the destruction of that nation, i.e. Dr David Kelly and Mia Pederson? What are your fruits beyond being lackies of Zionism andc its global agenda?  What is your fruits beyond peddling lies and cavorting with blood-thirsty criminal fascists and European Imperial powers?

Arajif #5: Why did he die without any recognition?

Arajif #6: Why did Azal sink so low as to request a stipend from the British in Cyprus?

He didn't. Once the British took over Cyprus from the Turks, the stipend for basic sustenance He was previously given by the Ottomans was now given by the British occupiers. This, so unlike your prophet, Subh-i-Azal did not live a lavish lifestyle in Palestinian Ottoman palaces while lamenting his condition and pathetically claiming to be the wronged one of the worlds, i.e. mazlum nama'i!

Arajif #7: Why if he had the claim as a Prophet, when he died was he buried as a Muslim, and not a Babi, leader?

His Holiness the Pre-Eternal Fruit (thamara azaliya), arwahina ma siwa fada'hu, never claimed to be a prophet. His claim, per the Will and Testament of the Primal Point nominating Him His successor, was as Mirror of the Bayan and successor to the Primal Point. 

Arajif #8: Why did even his chosen successor abandon him?

Who was his chosen successor? If you are talking about Hajji Muhammad Hadi Dowlatabadi, he died in 1908/08, three years before Subh-i-Azal. Yahya Dawlatabadi was not the successor of Subh-i-Azal, and Subh-i-Azal did not leave a successor. Nor did Yahya Dawlatabadi abandon the Bayan, contrary to what you Baha'is say.

Arajif #9: it seems that history will not be so kind to him..

Arajif #10: by all accounts, why was Azal in hiding most of his life?

He was not hiding. The Command of the Primal Point to Him in His Will and Testament to Azal was to preserve Himself no matter what. He also Commanded your so-called prophet, under the number 238 (abjad = Husayn 'Ali), to take the best possible care of Subh-i-Azal and to keep Him away from the public! 

Arajif #11: Why did Azal wear disguises?

He didn't. But why did Husayn 'Ali Nari hide in the Russian embassy after the botched assassination attempt on Nasiruddin Shah, and why have your histories blamed Shaykh 'Azim Turshizi for the plot against the Shah's life that your so-called prophet actually was responsible for hatching?

Arajif #12: why did he follow Baha'u'llah into exile?

Actually, he didn't. Subh-i-Azal's flight from Mazandaran to Baghdad following the uprising in Takur preceded Husayn 'Ali's departure for Iraq. Subh-i-Azal arrived in Baghdad while your prophet apparently was being imprisoned in some water reservoir (ab anbar) you have called siyah-chal receiving "revelations". Your Baha'i histories have lied and falsified history by claiming Subh-i-Azal followed his older brother into exile. As for the departure from Baghdad to Edirne, once again, Subh-i-Azal had already left Baghdad and was in Anatolia when your prophet was apparently declaring his mission to the trees and leaves Aqa Jan Khadimullah had gathered for him.

Arajif #13: why did he not remain in Iran to inspire and lead the Babis? after all was not the order for exile for Baha'u'llah and his immediate family?

The Royal Edict following the assassination attempt on Nasiruddin Shah was for the entire Nuri clan and for the execution of Subh-i-Azal and his brother on site. The first name on the list was that of Subh-i-Azal, not Husayn 'Ali Nari. And historian Abbas Amanat has published a facsimile of the edict (farman) in his book on Nasiruddin Shah. If you were any historian worth your salt, and not a glaze-eyed cultist, you would know this.  

Arajif #14: There too many Whys about Azal.

There are far, far more whys and questions about your so-called prophet. Beginning with this, 

 //bayanic.com/notes/bahaTest/BahaTestament.html

“In truth god has decreed in the Book, after the Reminder [i.e. the Primal Point], to turn [refer] to the Face of god [i.e. Subh-i-Azal] in these days whoso turns aside from the injunction of his lord has in fact turned his back in the path of god … the Reminder [i.e. the Primal Point] rest upon you and upon those who prostrate themselves before the Face of god [i.e. Subh-i-Azal]."

“……. Hear the call of the Holy Leaf [i.e. Subh-i Azal] ………… speaking unto you from behind the veils [Subh-i Azal lived in seclusion in accordance with the Point’s instructions] ………… He [i.e. Subh-i Azal] is the One whom god [i.e. the Point] hath appointed as Qayyum [self-existent, title by which Subh-i Azal is addressed by the Point in the nomination document in page 1 of the Collection entitled the Epistles of the Point and His amanuensis Sayyid Husayn] “unto …. He is the Eternal [Azaliyya ازلیّه] luminary ……… whomsoever turns aside from him doth perish …… He is the White Hand [alluding to the miracle of Moses] in the Mount …. For Israel of the Bayan …… There is no god but He, the Living, [Al-Hayy, title conferred on Subh-i Azal by the Point, see the definitions], the powerful, the self-Existent [al-Qayyum, see Qayyum al-Asma]. …. God has ordained in the Book that after the Remainder [Az-Zikr, the name by which the Point calls himself in the nomination document, see the Primal Point's Testamentary Disposition] one should turn himself to the Quibble of the Cause [i.e. authority is to vest in Subh-i Azal as dictated in the nomination document ….. ‘O People of the Bayan, can anyone produce verses like unto those revealed in the Book [of Bayan]? ….. Verily the Remnant of god [Baqiyyatullah, one of the titles of the absent Imam, see Remnants of God; this title was assumed by the Point] in these days is the Apparition of light [Tal’at-an Nur طلعت نور].

 The rest of your pseudo-historical Bahai araajif has already been answered elsewhere on iranian.com. And as countless historians have pointed out, your Bahai pseudo-historiography of Subh-i-Azal are all lies, falsified histories and whitewash. If you wish, I'll quote you from E.G. Browne himself and point out some of the far from flattering things he says about your so-called prophet and you Baha'is. But, tell me, why didn't 'Abbas Effendi ever answer this?

la'ant'ullah ala qawm al-zalimin fi kulli hin wa qabla hin wa ba'da hin, Ya Haqq Amin! 

413

To Mr. religulous

Brother,
to let you know,
Mr.azal and I share mutual respect toward one to another ,and share same background and common goal (defeating the 5 ft tall long black died heir beast of (Bahaem) self called essence of GOD "Zate Khoda" ) and we also share patriotism from to different belief point of view,how ever ,I do believe,once GOD almighty opened someone eyes on his true light ,he or she would see the true face and darkened heart of these Bahaem evils and traders ,and they would realize Satan did lived up to his promise, he couldn't catch victim better than this, therefor, I DO believe,Bahaullah is descended from up-there, not heaven,yet of course, where is Satan lives, and I DO BELIVE he is Satan himself(with prof),
I do not share mr.Azal view of Babism, and I am no one but servant (Bandeh) of GOD, and I do wetness that Mohammad(pbuh) is LAST MESSENGER(nabi) of Almighty ALLAH (T),although I dont believe he was last Rasol(ferestadeh),
that would contradict with Quran, we can not ignore Q3:7 how ever, if we look throw Quran, we see Rasol who didn't have message where not (Ul-al-AZM) THEY JUST will COME TO EXPLAIN the verses of Quran(and they are not bringing another message or book ) which need to be reveal ,But any one come and climes the Quran revealed that they are another messenger,well,there is no solid foundation and evidence of such order,therefor,they are subtle deceivers, whom like to take advantage of ordinaries.
brother,I owe you and apology for taking you as A Bahai messenger shooter.and I do share view with you that ,we all have to rely on evidences, which, unfortunately 98 % time Bahai subtle messenger shooters manipulate and delude all evidence that surfs and use cowered tactics to run over the revelers.they dont know they are comming to their ENDS.
Peace Reza

REZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 41

Mordam az khandeh

jenabe aghaye IR

jenabe aghaye IR detector,religulous khan,
Although I NEVER said I'm Doctor or PHD ,I really thank you for your rating.you flatter me, because ,to be honest with you I dont think I'm much of any thing at all there is lot more to learn, not like bunch of self called "doctors" on Baha'i TV and radio propaganda program against Iran and Islam and Irani , which their sound more like a patient than the doctor, (patient whom need doctors).
how ever, for some one who dont claim to be any thing, rating number 2 or 3 out of 20 ? wow.. great,thanks my friend.
now, as far as my vocabulary mistakes ?
Brother, those are implanted ,to catch Bahai PHD detectors , I'm surprise, it only detect and caught your , I had implanted more in my past comments, in on Mr.Alborz blog, hoping catch messenger shooter:(to help you ,one of the word is "sincere" 1,2,3)

//iranian.com/main/blog/alborz/why-do-bah...

now,I completely agree , it sound stupid when some one talk about important materials with different language than his mother tongue, not even knowing well enugh its grammar or vocabulary of the that language and talk with it, specially that person claims his grade to be 20 out 20, and claims he is "20" himself, than in action, he makes lots of stupidest mistake.(and Bahai institute dont even Dar talk about them and point them)
here: I'll show you a sample, since you are good stupid detector,this is one many many mistake I'm going to display here, you guess it who is this stupid self called god is ?
Aghdas page 2:we read
انّا امرناكم بكسر حدودات النّفس
والهوى لا ما رقم من القلم الاعلى انّه
لروح الحيوان لمن في الامكان

you must have noticed the word حدودات but this word does NOT exist in Arabic. he is trying to form a plural of the word حد but the right plural is حدود NOT حدودات .
pleas stop laughing, there is more .. just if you ask for it I'll show .
brother ,in whole Quran,you do not find even 1 stupid or any mistake like this , why is your self called "mgham-e-nafs Allah" doesn't even know Arabic language, why didn't he brought in Arabic in first place, didn't he read Quran that GOD has said his word it would be with local tongueQ14:4 ,41:43 16:103 ??? now brother, go back to your detection job and be "carefool" not get detected yourself .
peace Reza

Reaz 41

Your level of understanding is 2 out of 20. Your level of writing is 3 out of 20. You overall level of education is below 9th grade. Now, don't tell me you in fact have a PhD from Oxford. Be farsi migam ke hesabi halit besheh:

Khejalat nemikeshi in arajeef cheieh minvisi. Aberoyeh harche moslamoneh ro ke to bordi. Aghalan ye kami vaght bezar motaleh bekon ke aberoot nareh.

Read what you wrote I repeat it for you:

"I may not like Imam Khomaini(r), Dr.Fatemi, Ahmadi nejad, or Ayatollah kashani, beloved Amirkabir(r) Bazargan,Ayatollah KHamenei,Frohars,which they all have one thing incomment,love for their country more than western world I may not like any of them, But Im proud of all of them and ,when it come to facing traders like Mirza Agha KHan Nuri(1)A like and Reza Shah ,his son and his team including some of fools like "HOJATTIEH "Group ,But,I am proud of each of every one,which how they shows their loyalty" Vafadari" and gratituds to his or her countries,one thing we all should be united if is not our Faith should be our beloved country ,yes brother, I'M NOT surprise you a like come by name religulous and do all you can hurt religion ,and help to denigrating face of your country man and women, I think Mr.Nur (GOD bless him) should be proud of himself ,"IF" he is helping IRI,at least, he is not accused of being SIS,or CIA, or Mossad's agent."

I thought NUR has been accused of being the IR agent!!!! Where did you get that idea?

NUR

Take it easy NUR you may have a heart attack. You are nothing absolutely nothing as far as I am concern. You may think you are somebody and doing some goods for your beloved IR (not Iran) but believe me you have made yourself the joke of the Iranian.com. There have been so many hate mongers and liars way bigger--I mean way bigger-- than you and could not succeed to put off this everlasting flame. NUR, when you get the chance please take it easy and like a good boy with absolute kindness answer all the questions asked by Historian below one by one with your own words. Please do not cut and paste garbage articles from the other hate mongers.

The Annual HOJJATIYEH award goes to....

This hateful dark cloud, whose business is to obscure the truth, has much in common with the HOJJATIYEH's principles and aims.
He, by his blogs demonstrates a level of hate ,rage and poison, difficult for the average healthy human to contain; if he is human he must be slowly self destructing under the weight of his own rage, a wounded snake is perhaps more apt?

He says: "As such it is the conscientious and spiritual duty of people such as myself to combat and expose it to the bitter end." well, i have questions to ask of him;

Lets say that Bahais have made absolutely no positive contribution to the world in the last 160 years..that most people in iran and everywhere know them as bad people.. If that is the case , why have they attracted millions from every race and religion?

If Baha'u'llah was so evil, why did the majority of the Babis turn to Him instead of Azal?

If Azal, and later those who followed him, were the true carriers of the Divine Message, why have they sunk into relative oblivion?
What really is Azal's legacy?
Where are the fruits of his message?
Why did he die without any recognition?
Why did Azal sink so low as to request a stipend from the British in Cyprus?
Why if he had the claim as a Prophet, when he died was he buried as a Muslim, and not a Babi, leader?

Why did even his chosen successor abandon him?

it seems that history will not be so kind to him..
by all accounts, why was Azal in hiding most of his life?
Why did Azal wear disguises?
why did he follow Baha'u'llah into exile?
why did he not remain in Iran to inspire and lead the Babis? after all was not the order for exile for Baha'u'llah and his immediate family?

There too many Whys about Azal.

It does not take much to recognize the difference between
two prisoners in exile and how they were each viewed in the eyes their enemies and captors.

Professor Edward Browne , one of Azal's greatest supporters has written this about his visit with Baha'u'llah in 1890:

".... The face of him on whom I gazed I can never forget, though I cannot describe it. Those piercing eyes seemed to read one's very soul; power and authority sat on that ample brow; while the deep lines on the forehead and face implied an age which the jet-black hair and beard flowing down in indistinguishable luxuriance almost to the waist seemed to belie. No need to ask in whose presence I stood, as I bowed myself before Wa

A mild dignified voice bade me be seated, and then continued: -- "Praise be to God that thou has attained! ... Thou has come to see a prisoner and an exile. ... We desire but the good of the world and happiness of the nations; yet they deem us a stirrer up of strife and sedition worthy of bondage and banishment. ... That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled -- what harm is there in this? ... Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the `Most Great Peace' shall come. ... Do not you in Europe need this also? Is not this that which Christ foretold? ... Yet do we see your kings and rulers lavishing their treasures more freely on means for the destruction of the human race than on that which would conduce to the happiness of mankind. ... These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family. ... Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind. ..."

Such, so far as I can recall them, were the words which, besides many others, I heard from Beha. Let those who read them consider well with themselves whether such doctrines merit death and bonds, and whether the world is more likely gain or lose by their diffusion."

Did Azal's most famous supporter ever describe Azal in the same manner as Baha'u'llah?

".... the object of a devotion and love which kings might envy and emperors sigh for in vain! "

Have Azal's life and teachings inspire the same "devotion and love"

What does NUR's actions, thoughts and hateful rage say about his beliefs in what he likes to call "bayanic".

In the end, such was Azal's life:

"Mirza Yahya remained a recluse in Famagusta - there are no reports of him going to the mosque or to coffee-shops. The inhabitants of Famagusta appear to have regarded him as Muslim holy man and Mirza Yahya went along with this. When people called to greet on Muslim feasts like Bayram (it being customary to visit a holy man on such occasions), he accepted this. There was no attempt to teach the local people the Babi or Azali religious beliefs.

Although freed from the conditions of his exile in 1881 after the British occupation of Cyprus Mirza Yahya preferred to remain in Famagusta as a pensioner of the British Government. Mirza Yahya died on 29 April 1912 at the age of about 80. According to the account by his son, Ridvan-`Ali, who had by this time become a Christian and taken the name Constantine the Persian, no "witnesses to the Bayan" (i.e. Babis) could be found to carry out the funeral ceremony and so it was carried out by the Imam-Jum`a of Famagusta and other Muslim clerics.[*25]

All of Mirza Yahya's family in Cyprus maintained an outward appearance of being Muslims. The people of Famagusta used to call them sun-worshippers because of their custom of leaving the city at sunrise to go to Mirza Yahya's grave to pray. Mirza Yahya's descendants at the present time appear to know little about their family history or religious past and can for all practical purposes be regarded as Turks and Muslims. Riza Ezel, the caretaker of Mirza Yahya's grave at present, told us that his grand-father was a Muslim holy man. Since Jalal Azal's death, his widow `Ismat has put an annual notice in the newspapers on the anniversary of his death inviting people to a Mevlid recital and Qur'an reading in his memory (this being the traditional Turkish Muslim custom)

*25. Browne, Materials for the Study of the Babi Religion, p. 312

The unnuanced stupidity of ' bahai religulous' answered

The bahai religulous claimed that I have said: 

 1.The IRI government has never prosecuted bahais...

Do you mind pointing out where and when I have said this? I have said the Bahais have exagerrated their claims. Not that they haven't been prosecuted (or, did you mean persecuted?)

2.The IRI has never prosecuted mojahedin e khalq

Yes, they have. Where you blind (or just gratuitously stupid) when I said on another blog here that the regime has killed in excess of 300,000 leftists (the MKO included) but the Baha'is make the most noise about a measley 200 people - who were not executed for their beliefs, in any case, but for various economic corruptions under the Shah.

3.the IRI HAS NEVER PROSECUTED Any student group (university) ethnic group(Kurds and Azeris)

You are stupid. I am on record far and wide for taking the Baha'is to task for not once ever advocating for the human rights of any person other than their own, and not getting involved with the Student Movement from 1999-2003. Absolutely the regime has prosecuted the student groups. I was part of one student group from overseas. Where were the Baha'is advocating for them? In fact, where were the Baha'is when Zahra Kazemi was brutally murdered by the regime? Or where were the Baha'is advocating for Batebi? Answer that one, if you can...

4.your religion is the devine religion and the only religious minority prosecuted by IRI

My religion is not persecuted in Iran because a) the Bayanis don't wear their religion gratuitously on their sleeves or reveal themselves because they practice taqiyya, and so the mullahs don't know who we are over there, and b) the Bayanis are not fifth columnist agents of foreign powers, such as for IsraHELL and the British, as the Baha'is are. But for your information there were quite a few Bayanis that were and still are active in the Student Movement ! Where the heck were the Baha'is again during that whole period? Oh, yes, with their tales between their legs doing nothing, as usual, but trying to claim credit for the struggles of other people when they haven't contributed anything to it, nada!

BTW I am a Bayani, not a Muslim, so you and I are nothing alike. And the word persecute is a different word than the word prosecute. Educate yourself a little and learn the difference. Sorry, but from your post, you sound like a total idiot, not to mention a Bahai trying to play at something else!

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a plea bargain and a teer kamoon for hire

desperate times call for desperate tactics.
after 150 years of using all kinds of methods to no avail to assail the the truth they have gone back to the old tricks.
NUR is one of the few with a plea bargain to go undercover, taghi-ah, to do the dirty work.
A delusive manifesto, a fabricated division and a substantial amount of hate mongering and agitation. The hallmark of the fear stricken extremest whose very identity is becoming progressively irrelevant and illegitimate even in the eye of their own supporters and sympathizers.
The employed methods here are the same used by the early muslims to annihilate the numerous sprawling sects within the Islamic world.
little they know that this is no longer chasing after the shaykhee or hassani or hosseinee.
the world has contracted into a potentially more manageable community and these teer kamoons for hire still have their heads under the snow.

the agitation in Iran will continue at the hands of the bigots until there is not left a single soul who would not loath the hate mongers who are blind to beauty as a bat is to light.
what a disgrace and what a tragic final course.
has it been Written!?

Wahid Answer this

So Wahid According to your posts and Bold Punch points that lets face it must be true because as a prophet you wouldn't lie!!!
1.The IRI government has never prosecuted bahais...
2.The IRI has never prosecuted mojahedin e khalq
3.the IRI HAS NEVER PROSECUTED Any student group (university) ethnic group(Kurds and Azeris)
4.your religion is the devine religion and the only religious minority prosecuted by IRI
5.any one speaks against these claims is either a bahai, IRI hezbollahi or Mojahed....
you keep bringing up these unfounded unproven documents of the past that has no relevant to the truth of what is going on in Iran at the moment and disguise it as your vehicle to push yet another worthless religion.
I doubt any bahai would be stupid enough to put that religion down as much as I do and proud of it .
your argument with calling me a member of any religion is getting old
you have not shown any new reason for bashing the most politically insignificant religion such as Bahais and for some reason come up with the same answers...we get it , they are dangerous because they are devious and all that (right from the mouth of my grand father)!!
however what makes your religion any less dangerous?the biggest threat to humanity has been from Christianity and Islam and their subsequent branches such as your religion and history is there to prove it.
you see we seem to have had the same up bringing but came to a different point of view , I dismissed my grand fathers and so many other older relatives nasihats as a bunch of old folk charto part and decided to befriens people from all walks and religious back grounds and even I dont agree with many of their believes I dont see the deviousness you speak of...you in the other hand took all that bull and added your own flavor and started to prosecute them with your writings and of course please tell me you are smart enough to know that IRI and bahais are not in bed together...I mean there are conspiracy theories and then this one...we all need a laugh but please....one must question your sanity ..

Bahai Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1) Dr Sa'eed Khan was not a Christian missionary.

2) B, Bab is an Arabic word meaning 'gate' or 'threshold', and in transliteration it is spelled with an 'a' not an 'o'. 

3) The original scan of the picture of the Bayani community is with me.

4) People should note that the attack tactics of the Baha'is is not too different from the attack tactics of the Mujahideen-i-Khalq (MKO/MEK) cultists or the hezbollai agents of the Islamic Republic.

5) Baha'ism is a dangerous New World Order Stalinist cult and as such has no redeeming quality or goodness integrally inherent in it. As such it is the conscientious and spiritual duty of people such as myself to combat and expose it to the bitter end.

 CAUTION NON-BAHAIS: PSYCHOLOGICAL WAR ZONE

See,
Baha'is In My Backyard
//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

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Also see,
Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is (OBF = Orthodox Baha'i Faith), and the suit brought by the Haifan Bahaim organization against them:
//trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
and
//www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf  (judge's actual
decision)
Note particularly,
//www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel, Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite, Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence, Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

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Also see S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4, 1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2, 1914-1915.
at,
//wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29

And, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH,
//bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

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Mr Reza 41

I love this...I am being called a Bahai , Jew, IRI agent and everything in the book by the closed minded bunch...first of all any one that read my comments should know by now how much I condemn religion and its founders and the stupidity of its followers, this includes Bahaism and their mumbo jumbo of religion as well...what I can not stand and will oppose in any shape or form is selecting one group of people whether it is religious or political and leave hateful comments about them for the sake of propaganda that is in line with IRIs bull and use fantasized and made up articles to present to the uninformed as facts to push IRIs or Islamic Agenda and for that I will not be relentless...if my comments are offensive to you then dont read them as truth can be very offensive to most with hidden agenda .

the language I use is the one the religious idiots have used to push their agenda and I will give them a taste of their own...
do not mistake making up a new religion or following an old one just because they are middle eastern or Iranian as a sign of patriotism...this is the first mistake our nation made in destruction of our culture
you may believe in MR NURs religion and practice what ever star or moon or some UFO you like or some made up GOD and some written man made book or some commandments but you may not hate monger a group of people because they have a different believe system than you do when there is no solid proof or historical fact to back you up
and I will take a stand against you and hope anyone with some shred of decency would do the same

Mr Wahid Azal and your self are more than welcome to grace us with information you have received from your god or alien contacts or whatever and by all means tell us its advantages over all other religions since every religion or cult boasts its superiority over other ones for us brain dead human beings to know how to live a descent life however when you hate monger expect to hear voices of opposition

Show your own goodness instead of criticising others!

 There are  2 ways to be outstanding : 1 by your own merrits, and 2 by pulling others down!

Bahai teachings are wonderful!They teach us not to criticize others and to always look at the good side of things and people.

If my amigos were a bit more respectful and truthful, they would try to instead of fomenting lies and pulling others down, they would teach their own goodness.

A Case of Frustrated Missionary..

The tone and bias in the Work of this Christian Clergyman is of no surprise.

In short, Christian missionaries with all their resources and diplomatic influence, in all the years they spent in Iran, trying to convert Muslims to christianity, suddenly found themselves amidst a new Persian born Spiritual revolution, a new faith that saw different religions as successive chapters in the spiritual evolution of mankind.

Christian missionaries could not understand why so many iranians from every class and background would in face of brutal persecution become Bahais in their hundreds and thousands , when in comparison their efforts of conversion that often included with it, material enticements, would count to a fraction of the number.

Unfortunately, Miller resorted to the same kind of opposition as his Shia Mullah counterpart by writing Raddiyeh; one that in the west became the standard text book by the enemies of the Bahais in their attacks.

religulous pleas dont be ridiculous

Dear Mr. religulous pleas dont be realjuce or realjealous
pleas have comment on comment itself, like, ask, where is this info came from or such, dont attack the poster of this comment ,that is a point of weakness otherwise.
you are accusation of Mr.Nur of being IRI agent??dont look far brother,
I'm not really surprise if any patriots speaks his or her mind in sign of loyalty to his or her country,and blow up some covers, Bahais like you, calling them IRI agent or what ever, since we know patriotism is "forbidden and condemned" in Bahai faith, I guess you Bahaies, all programed and belived, individuals always are commanded by their UHJ or to show their solidarity to land that gave birth to them ? this is what happened when conscience "GHYRAT" of an individual gets hijacked and confiscated by subtle traders . I may or may not like Mr.Nur creed ,I may not like ,Mosadegh personality, I may not like Imam Khomaini(r), Dr.Fatemi, Ahmadi nejad, or Ayatollah kashani, beloved Amirkabir(r) Bazargan,Ayatollah KHamenei,Frohars,which they all have one thing incomment,love for their country more than western world I may not like any of them, But Im proud of all of them and ,when it come to facing traders like Mirza Agha KHan Nuri(1)A like and Reza Shah ,his son and his team including some of fools like "HOJATTIEH "Group ,But,I am proud of each of every one,which how they shows their loyalty" Vafadari" and gratituds to his or her countries,one thing we all should be united if is not our Faith should be our beloved country ,yes brother, I'M NOT surprise you a like come by name religulous and do all you can hurt religion ,and help to denigrating face of your country man and women, I think Mr.Nur (GOD bless him) should be proud of himself ,"IF" he is helping IRI,at least, he is not accused of being SIS,or CIA, or Mossad's agent ,
please, if you dont mind ,do me a favor accuse me a little bit of being IRI agent as well,I Really enjoy,loyalty and loving my beloved country my religion(beloved Islam), my people ,I like and hope, some day I die for them .just for sake of them and not die as A trader to them.
peace Reza

1)Mirza Agha khan e Nori ,British agent and succeed prime minister chair after British machinations and conspiracy killing Amir kabir(mirza taghi khan), he was relative of mirza hossin Ali Nari (Bahaullah) who was self admitted servant of British, and #1 enemy of Amir kabir, whom , was very close to divorced mother of Nasseredin shah which influenced Shah greatly to kill her son in law(Amir kabir). Iran Never had been so much under rule of enemy of the country as while was under Mirza Agha "NARI" incumbency,he had took away our beloved and our hero "Amirkabir"(peace be upon his sole) and let "Hossin Ali Nari" Bahaullah attempt assassinate Nasereddin shah in matter of few months apart in the same year of 1852 .GOD bless ALL patriots and down to all traders,and puppets .

Light

Do as I say not as I do? Why do you have to bad mouth in order to show the goods?! Did Bahaullah have one wife?

Qajar dynasty was all about collection of wives and Azal and Bahaullah were both from the same timeframe.

Naseredin Shah has the most wives. Ahmad Shah whose shash had not kaf yet had wives. That's all you have to say that Azal was a womanizer? What about Bab who approved Azal his older son as his successor?

Now given they were step-brothers and things could have easily gotten ugly, but Bahaullah is no more saint than other saints if that is what you mean.

Why do you have to bad mouth bahis if you want to promote Azalis

I was thinking about your blogs they are all full of hate and negative propaganda against Bahais. If I am right ,if I have something worthwhile to say , I do not have to bad mouth another person to show how right and true my belief is.
Why don't you instead of bad mouthing Bahais just show us the goods !! show us the money as Tom Hanks says!! let people judge.
For example tell us the principles that Azal brought to humanity , other than being a womanizer, and love of marrying lots of widows.
we do not have to work hard to show the power of sun, can anyone deny that there is a sun in the sky, ok .And do not hid under all these female names, just like Azal who dressed as a woman to escape.

NUR one more question

Do you have a link to a larger size photo you posted about Bayani community in your blog?

Farzaneh9

shame shame