nozarmahallati

Nozarmahallati

I am not sure what foreign opposition during the Shah you are talking
about. 

1974 is the year the shah, his head of court and personal surgion all received identical cancer via food they injested, radioactive.  Decision for Shahs removal was made i response to his aims of Industrializing Iran and building an independent and solely iranian owned Steel and Mining Industry, the USA/UK/France had many unfulfilled contracts to deliver one to iran but would never do it so the shah accepted the advances of the Russians, //www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTDORw_-ooo this was done with the full opposition of the west and was the key basis for his teams removal and the betrayal of the military pact with the shah that was never honored. 

Until 1973-1974 or so, before the Shah started having delusions
of grandure, everything and anything worthwhile in Iran came from the
West.

My Point exactly, concepts like megalomania, delusions of grandure, dictator, depsot a torturing savak were drummed up massively by Western interests to misinform the Iranian Public and their own.  These were totally lies, started by the west and seized upon by anti-monarchists within Iran.   There was no Need for the Shah to have any Delusions of Grandeur, he was from the stand point of the Truth in a Class of His Own, the most Majestic Leader in the entire World at his time and neither his team nor his government ever acted crimnally or unlawfully and used the minimum of violence, As an individual he was a generous, well grounded, highly principlalled honest leader. 

The last 5-6 years when intervention started were not the bulk of
his reign.

The technology to produce cars from the U.K.  Jet fighters from France
and the U.S.  Nuclear reactors, the U.S.  Infratructure and direct
production equipment for the Iranian National Oil and Gas company all
came from either U.S. or Germany or U.K. 

All Purchased Using Irans resources and based on many other agreement that had Irans not just Irans resources and economy, but also her strategic assets benefitting the west, while they all along were working on sending Iran to the stone ages by betraying the Shahs team, backing extremists, like Khomeini and not honoring their own pacts with the Government of the Shah/hence betrayal.

Beyound a shadow of doubt, MR Pahlavi's era was orders of magnitude
better than IRI.  But the number of mistakes he made and the fact he
allowed the dastmalkeshi of people around him go to his head and the
fact he did not get rid of Khomeini between 1974-1978 makes me not think
of him as a great leader;not even close to his father. 

You are entitled to your view as is everyone, just friendly advice to you out of respect, don't come across like the mediocre among Iranians who point the finger at the shah and say there is the person to blame for all our problems and faults.  We have an entire nation that made mistakes on a daily basis far larger than any the shah ever made as leader, chief among them to allow others to deceive them regarding simple concepts. 

The need to balance the pro's and the cons, on leaving khomeini alive when he knew and his team knew and had proof that khomeini was a threat to the entire country and the evolving system in place, this is really a question governments will struggle with over the ages and they don't have an answer for it now either in the exact same situation. Look at the democracy of greece they murdered Socrates out of their concerns on the degree of freedom one should have.  For me Killing enemies is not the correct answer, nor is being an enemy of islam or any religion no matter how corrupt and filthy the islamic authroities are and how many dishonest, ignorant intolerant people they can produce.  There are 2 extremes of leadership, One who creates so that he can destroy.... and one that destroys so that he can create.  Most have eleents of each, but no one pretends to have the aswer on a lot of these issues.  Iranians are wiser today than before, they are also experiencing what dictatorship, tyranny, despotism, torture, humiliation are, in the future I'm sure they will even be smarter, to not gosip and lie about such important issues in pursuit of personal gain, because sometimes things don't go as planned and you pay very dearly for your sick actions, words and thoughts. (I'm referring to the entire society who condemned him, not the lone shah who sought Irans Peace, Progress and Human Rights and gave more than most iranians who criticise him)  

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After the so called CIA coupe of 1952

And the the mish-mash of masjed and Aan-telectuals of yester year.....

They should outlaw Islam and close all the mosques.

 Maziar

Amirparvaz

I am not sure what foreign opposition during the Shah you are talking about.  Until 1973-1974 or so, before the Shah started having delusions of grandure, everything and anything worthwhile in Iran came from the West.  The last 5-6 years when intervention started were not the bulk of his reign.

The technology to produce cars from the U.K.  Jet fighters from France and the U.S.  Nuclear reactors, the U.S.  Infratructure and direct production equipment for the Iranian National Oil and Gas company all came from either U.S. or Germany or U.K.

Beyound a shadow of doubt, MR Pahlavi's era was orders of magnitude better than IRI.  But the number of mistakes he made and the fact he allowed the dastmalkeshi of people around him go to his head and the fact he did not get rid of Khomeini between 1974-1978 makes me not think of him as a great leader;not even close to his father. 

on the blog, lol you make it seem as if pahlavi's

were around for a long time, try less than 60 yrs.  Also you have to admit, that the only reason most iranians had any animosity towards the son of the first king was due to the massive opposition that was orchestrated by the rich in the first world against his successes in Iran.

He and his team helped create, the growth of literacy for Iran, a continuosly improving quality of life for a middlle class and with total western opposition they started industrialzation.  So with western opposition he and his team created the prerequisites for the institutions that can manage a democracy including starting to develop a good judiciary and news services.  These were not easy or given accomplishments, infact no other oil rich country has had these successes.  The Sons team accomplished this with out the entire country caving into foreign exploitation, which kings can help guard against far better than presidents of republics who can be purchased.  Calling the era Pahlavi Sht says more about the person saying it than the leader.

I remember MR Pahlavi leaving iran in 1979, where before the most common form of transport in the capital was by donkey when his father was king, to being the 9th largest economy in the world with an advanced and modern defense force that was the envy of major european powers. Upon Reflection it says alot about Iranians lack of appreciation in general.

One of Our new challenges,  on top of foreign interference, is our inability as a community to deceive another leader to serve us as good as the late shah did who we can't even respect, and so whats left are the real bastards that are in power as the good ones aren't dumb enough to be attracted to the gutless our mullahs produce effortlessly and there is no long line of decent people waiting to willingly lead such a people, because even compassion is not enough to inspire a good person for a people that can betray, misrepresent and swindle their good leaders.

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Good Blog, Vildemose Link is entirely factually accurate

and accepted by most, even the people taking part in the orchestration of 1979, do privately says so, brezingki says knocking off the shah was the wrong decision upon reflection and while it was far more lucrative in the short term, could eventually cost the USA far more dow the road.

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On helping Iranians gain awareness of the consequences of the wests action for the entire region, not just Iran.

FA, I guess 1/6 is a good start

Thank you FA for responding to 1 out of the 6 posed questions.

Good to know you do not endorse VF

Great post. The revolution

Great post. The revolution in Iran was wholly mnaufactured by foreign powers....

What really happened to Shah of Iran?

 //www.payvand.com/news/06/mar/1090.html

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

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This is where I stand and I'll leave it to you to break it in any alphabetical order:

The Revolution was a genuine, national phenomenon...........it was born in Bahman,22, 1357, and was abducted on Farvardin, 12, 1358...........Based on the tangible realities on the ground it can only be freed by "the Reform, within"..........Vf, is out of question........it has to go, my friend.......what are you talking about?............

Reform is a "multilayered" process which comes in different phases; it is not a single event...........I will not try to discredit, disapprove, or slaughter it just because I'm running out of patience, or because I find Karrubi or Musavi unacceptable............

Finally, admit the bitter fact my friend...........there's no other credible alternative .........

F.A., maybe you can

clarify a few things:

1) 33 years would be enough but 25 ( 33 - 8 ) is not?

2) What is your definition of reform?  For example, you'd be happy with a like of Mousavi or Karrubi at the Helm?  As a what?  President?  With Velaayat-e Fagheeh at the top?  Or a secular democary?  Or maybe a King or Queen with a couple houses of Parliments?

3) What do you think is a reasonable timeline for reform?

And finally, are the men between ages of 40-65 (I am excluding women and the younger people) capable of taking action and making the right decisions when it comes to reform? 

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Firstly, deduct 8 years of war........no matter legit or not...........no nation can rebuild within a war.................and secondly, please don't forget the stark reality: There's no viable alternative to "the reform"............

Hmmm....33 years was not enough time?

33 years not enough time for reform? from within or without?

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I think......sometimes I do that.............I think you have to calibrate your scale, and could you please convert it to pounds and ounces? :)..............the screwup thing didn't start with the late Aryamehr. Reza Shah himself started it............it's a sad, somehow shameful, historical fact that our nation uttered a sigh of relief when Reza Shah was sent to exile.......

Don't worry my dear hamvatan..........we'll fix everything through a substantial Reform within..............don't worry..................

I Totally AGREE With You

I understand your feeling because I have the same feeling./