Iranian Liberal Democrat

Withers & Goebbles, Correction:

These are the Whithers and Goebbles of IR. Even worse! I don't think Withers and Goebels were ashamed of their jobs. I believe the same can be said about IR agents on this site!

G Rahmanian

Who are IR agents on this site? Please provide names and proof or withdraw you accusations. 

Democracy my foot

After all the attacks and insults people still talk about democracy. The first steps in democracy are:

• Respect for other opinions.
• Not making threats against them. 
• Not making unfounded accusations.
• Permitting free speech even if we do not like it.
• In addition we should not give a free pass to crime. No one on IC has committed a crime as far as I know. So why blame each other?
• I don't have any evidence of anyone here being an "agent" of anything other than their own mind.

Drop the ***. 

Withers & Goebbles!

These are the Whithers and Goebbles of IR. Even worse! In the case of Goebbels, he was not ashamed of his job. I don't think the same can be said about IR agents on this site!

Briefly

The point of this blog is what ?

Even for an accidental tourist I know more about who is on board, and who is not.   

Agents and Agenda of IRI

Soosan khanoom:  Everyone is using internet these days to feed their rubbish agendas to the others why not IRI?

so what?

MK: Yes, the IRI is feeding their agenda. There is a struggle between those of us who want democracy and the IRI. So there are two questions:

1. WHO in this site are agents of IRI who are attacking us. Yes it is their job to attack us. And it is the job of the pro-democracy activists (and other opposition groups and posters) to expose them.

2. WHAT is the agenda of the IRI? In other words, what POLICIES the IRI promotes? By identifying their agenda, we might be able to have policies which could defeat them and help us bring democracy to Iran.

Masoud

Roozbeh

You don't know what, he just might be! He's an ex-Toudeyi.

Kind Mehrban

Dear Mehrban,

You are too kind. I am most grateful for your generous comments.

What I do is nothing compared to all the sacrifices our young men and women do inside our beloved Iran. They endure sooooooooooo much oppression and repression. Each one of us does what we can. Like the saying ghatreh ghatreh jam gardad, vangahi darya shavad. You and I and all others who do what each could is helping this process. Lets hope we will soon see the dawn of freedom in Iran.

Please call me "Masoud."

Best regards,

Masoud

Dear Tabarzin

I believe either God or UFOs should immediately come and intervene on this planet against the human race

My friend religion *was* brought to us by UFO aliens. In order to prevent us from advancing. How do you think they came up with the "burning bush"? Why do you think Khomeini suddenly changed from a "democrat" to a maniac. Have you noticed how G.W. Bush became incoherent after being appointed President. It is *them*! They are taking over our bodies and keeping us backwards. The only words that work against them are "klaatu barada nikto". Remember that for it may save you one day.

Parham , so long as the person close to you,,,

is not KGB trained, you are fine.

In my case, I did thorough background checks, I think.....

Take care. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Masoud

Yes, I remember Meysam. I don't remember those developments since I had to leave after a while, but I do remember the case of the university in England where you had all these posters.

If I may, somehow I used to think the poster Hamvatan (or was it Ham Mihan?) was also there to get people disgusted at JM while actually posting anti-IRI. His excesses were to such a degree that I remember thinking if this is a pro-democracy person, we're in deep mud!

حزب‌الله سایبر در ایران٬ گروهی تازه برای مقابله با «جنگ نرم»

//www.iran-emrooz.net/index.php?/news2/30726/

سوالات بعدی فرم به این شرح هستند: آیا در وبلاگ یا وب‌سایت خود مطلب یا محتوایی پیرامون مقابله با جنگ نرم دارید؟ روش و راه‌کارهایی را برای مقابله با جنگ نرم پیشنهاد می‌کنید؟... آیا تمایلی به شرکت در کلاس‌های جنگ نرم در فضای سایبر دارید؟
در منوی سایت نیز بخشی مخصوص دوره‌هاست. البته این بخش مثل بیشتر بخش‌های دیگر سایت ناکامل و خالی از اطلاعات است و مشخص نیست که چه دوره‌هایی قرار است در رابطه با جنگ نرم یا در کل توسط حزب‌الله سایبر برگزار شود.

Dear Roozbeh

How interesting! I just thought of someone very close to me who has been using that technique for ages without me picking up on it!

Dear Masoud

That's one of the reasons I actually think "reformists" are a lot more dangerous (at least intellectually speaking) than hardliners for the "mass" (no negative connotation meant there). If you think about it, that's exactly how they operate. They talk of freedom but when it comes to it at the crucial moment, they actually support the tyranny. They have a lot of people fooled that way, people who are also glad to pick up and repeat their lines from what I see!
I would imagine you see NIAC that way as well, right? I'd say you have a point if you do. Take that wanting to get the IRGC unlisted, for example (without even thinking about the MKO case). I still haven't seen one good argument as to why they would want the IRGC unlisted.

Dear Dr. Kazemzadeh

I salute your moral fortitude and persistence.  You are a natural teacher, I do detect that even in this humorous blog you are trying to teach many principals of democracy and democratic thinking.   You, are a valuable member of this community.

To have the courage to speak with such frankness while writing under your real name is impressive.  Be well.

Parham

Dear Parham,

Let me share some information from the old JM bb. We know that many posted from Iran and their IP addresses were from the IP addresses of the Iranian GOVERNMENT.

Something strange happened afterwards: we saw many IP addresses from a university in England that many pro-IRI posters were posting from. The Iranian government had a contract with that university.

Some posters from Iran were honest and said they were pro-IRI.  Several were actually from the Ministry of Intellience (one dude was very high up with the name Meysam), one top member from Ansare Hezbollah, among others.  

Some posters from Iran were DISHONEST and pretended they were against the regime and but in reality they were not.  The IRI did have agents pretending to be something else.  These soon left. 

Best,

Masoud

The Double-Standards of Dr. Kazemzadeh

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Tue Aug 23, 2011 05:29 PM PDT It is possible for a person who is not an agent provocateur to also honestly hold a view which happens to be in the interests of the terrorist regime. ... In my opinion, we should share our suspicions and opinions, and guesses. ..., Masoud  

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"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 04:18 PM PDT They probably would continue to make these libelous LIES again and again and again. ... Also my personality is that if someone attacked me, then I will attack them back 10 fold to give them a lesson. That is me. I use different means but I do not turn the other cheek. Best, Masoud"

Parham

This is an old counter intelligence technic which I read about in a book written by some ex KGB defector to west a while back. Then I also read on an internet site (I think roshangari) that the "ministry" is now applying this technic on internet sites. I'll try to dig out the link and post it.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Anonymous Christians & Sufi Dancers

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If there was any significance to "writing anonymously" it would lead to the false conclusion that hundreds of millions of people on the internet are "IRI agents."  However, people often forget that some people write anonymously because there are terrorist groups like PMOI/MEK, individuals that write apologetic statements about them, and individuals that go around saying things like "I will attack ...I do not turn the other cheek."  

The quotes sound familiar?  

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"by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Aug 22, 2011 04:18 PM PDT They probably would continue to make these libelous LIES again and again and again. ... Also my personality is that if someone attacked me, then I will attack them back 10 fold to give them a lesson. That is me. I use different means but I do not turn the other cheek. Best, Masoud"

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 "by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Sun Aug 21, 2011 03:03 PM PDT I believe that the PMOI is not a terrorist entity"  

Tabarzin

I guess we had almost every possible kind of ideology on iC but an Anarchist...    Welcome to our drunken crowd ... we certainly need more chaos !!   LOL      

Anahid and Parham

Anahid,

You are welcomed.

Best,

Masoud

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Dear Parham,

It was a combination of opinion, guess, and humor.

The truthful IRI supporters Iran Military Forum and No Fear honestly express their opinions. We disagree with them and oppose them. But the fact that they are HONEST and share the views of the IRI is a valuable service to all who want to learn the IRI perspective. I read their blogs and learn.

The problem is with those who are dishonest, who are what you called "suck puppet." The use of this tactic is old. They are called agent provocateur. These are agents (for example from MOI) pretending to be monarchists or nationalist or socialist, and as Roozbeh said, use 80% or so of their posts against the IRI in order to gain credibility. Then, on crucial issues that really matter to the IRI, they promote what is in the vf regime’s interests.

We could have our opinions and guess who is doing this. We might be right or wrong. I think it is useful to see who promotes the policies that benefit the vf regime. It is possible for a person who is not an agent provocateur to also honestly hold a view which happens to be in the interests of the terrorist regime. If it is one or two or three things, it is normal. The question is when whether or not a patten exists. In my opinion, we should share our suspicions and opinions, and guesses.

My 2 cents,

Masoud

MK

Everyone is using internet these days to feed their rubbish agendas to the others why not IRI?   

so what? 

The "Basij Cyber Army"

I'm sure when they publicized that, they greatly exaggerated their numbers, but I'm sure they're out there. Also very interesting to know they're anonymous, although faking an identity on most Internet forums should be easy.

Masoud, you probably remember this -- on the old JM BB we used to get a few of them and as in those days it was possible to check IP addresses, it was discovered that most posted from a certain college in England. That's how everyone found out the different IDs should be mostly one or two people; and I believe someone wrote to that college; although I'm not sure what happened after that.

Roozbeh

No, I hadn't heard of that. How interesting. Out of curiosity, how did you learn about it?

IRGC Basij Cyber Army To Attack Opponents

//blogs.law.harvard.edu/idblog/2009/01/08/irans-revolutionary-guards-take-on-the-internet/

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) at the end of 2008 made a historic announcement: a project to launch 10,000 blogs for the paramilitary Basij forces. (1)

IRGC’s official press organ, Sobh Sadegh, writes that it considered the Internet and other digital devices including SMS as a threat to be controlled. It announced that the 10,000 blogs will promote revolutionary ideas. IRGC considers the Internet as an instrument for a "velvet revolution" and warned that foreign countries have invested in this tool to topple the Islamic Regime.

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According to Harvard University’s Berkman Center study, a very significant number of Islamist bloggers who support the Islamic Republic write anonymously.(6) The main reason is that red lines are not defined in the Islamic Republic. These same ill-defined red lines will restrain any free action and thought in mass-produced blogs. They are an invisible border that makes people shut up and be censored.

Per VPK's suggestion

I am an Anarchist and the author of my own political theory.

* I believe every government and form of political, institutional and corporate authority on this planet, from one end to the other, is illegitimate, corrupt and oppressive;

* All forms of government should be disbanded because every form of government caters specifically for an entrenched elite who will disenfranchise the majority and enfranchise a minority;

* As Aristotle pointed out in his Politics, democracy is not the best form of government because democracy always eventually descends into demagoguery which then itself transforms into tyranny;

* I have at one time been a member of a state chapter of the Green Party in the USA;

* I am a radical environmentalist and believe industry is the tool of Satan and those who log and despoil the natural world are criminals who should be lynched;

* I am against the regime in Iran and have spent 20 years, in one form or another, agitating against it from abroad;

* I believe either God or UFOs should immediately come and intervene on this planet against the human race, and reset the evolutionary button, because the human race at this time generally consist of out of control crazy lunatics no longer deserving to be custodians of a planet they are destroying from one end to the other with their dumb ideologies, conflicts, governments, greed and stupidity.

ET phone home!

Parham have you heard of "20-80 rule?"

It goes like this:

You get assigned by say islamist regime  to internet sites and pose as an opposition supporter, trashing islamist regime 80% of the time (statsitical average), calling khamenei names, etc. in order to gain acceptance and credebility. Then on key , "red line" issues  to regime (say nuclear  or Israel issue) you'd follow the regime line to the letter, from an "opposition" perspective.(20%)

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

 Since no one is paying

 Since no one is paying attention to any other threads, I have to post this here. I got this email from Iran. And I think it's important piece of info:

by vildemose on Tue Aug 23, 2011 03:13 PM PDT

یک خبر خیلی مهم: از تاریخ 20 مهرماه به بعد به تمام

کسانی که از... یاهو در ایران استفاده می کنند یک ایمیل میزنه، عنوان

ایمیل هست: "کارت اینترنت مجانی" وقتی این ایمیل رو باز می کنی یک

...

KEY logger

بو از اون به بعد تمام چیزهایی که تایپ می کنید

هر 20 دقیقه به آدرس ایمیل

research@irantelecom.ir

فرستاده می شود و به این ترتیب از تمام مطالبی که تایپ می کنید باخبر می شوند.

این ایمیل رو برای همه بفرستید

We are all loose canons! We are Iranians! 'nuf said.

"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." Robert Browning in 'Ceuciaja'

over 2000 hits and the most read blog on IC, after only 2 days.

And it was not even featured :)

followed by a couple of featured, yet ignored sour grape, cursing at masoud blogs :) 

Looks like you can love Masoud or hate him, but you cant ignore the man. 

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Yes, we are VPK jaan

Have a look at Samsam's comment. Whilst you guys are killing each other in this thread, me and Samsam are having a bit of fun.

Maziar