Iranian Liberal Democrat

این جا جای مشاعره نیست

Farah Rusta
Sat Nov 28, 2009 06:38 AM PST

نه کاظمزاده از شعرو شاعری چیزی میفهمه و نه بتی که برای خودش ساخته چیزی می‌‌فهمید. 

هر سخن جایی و هر نکته مکانی دارد

FR

من ساده دل

فغان
Sat Nov 28, 2009 06:26 AM PST

 

آنچه تو گوئی، منهم دارم

در نهان و آشکار پیوسته در پیکارم

دردیست غریب، جگر سوز مرا

در نزد محرمان،"فرح"ش میخوانم

 

من تازه داشتم اون آبروریزی سر قبر "حافظ" ت رو فراموش میکردم که یه
دفه نا غافل مچت رو با یه شازده مطبخی اونم کجا، توی محله مصدق باید
بگیرم. بذار می‌خوام با دردم یه مدّت تنها باشم.

The Pahlavis and all mullahs must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.

جناب باده گلگون عزیز

Farah Rusta
Sat Nov 28, 2009 05:51 AM PST

اولا نام انتخابی شما بقدری زیباست که واژه ‌ها و ترکیبات متعددی را می‌‌توان بدان اختصاص داد و هریک به نوع خود از زیبائی خاصی‌ بهره مند است. لذا امیدوارم  اگر هر بار شما را به اسمی دیگر خطاب میکنم بر من خرده مگیری

ای دل آن‌گه كه خراب از می گلگون باشی
بی زر و گنج به صـد حشمت قارون باشـی

ثانیا این بابا فغان را به بزرگی خودتان ببخشید اگر گاهی‌ اساعه ادب میکنه تقصیر نداره بقول شاعر:
طبع ش  به گنه کرده عادت چه کند 

ای فغان

Farah Rusta
Sat Nov 28, 2009 03:44 AM PST

 

 

از دستت فغان، فغان دارم

قلب خون چکان، چکان دارم

فرحتم را نديده بهاری

من بنالم چو بلبل زاری

صد تير عشق تو ای دلبر

من به دل نهان، نهان دارم

ای پری رو تو بشنو فغانم

گر چه پيرم به عشقت جوانم

صد تير عشق تو ای دلبر

من به دل نهان، نهان دارم

از دستت فغان، فغان دارم

قلب خون چکان، چکان دارم            

 

 

 

فغان

Red Wine
Sat Nov 28, 2009 01:47 AM PST

این شما هستید که دستی‌ متبحر در دادن فتوا دارید،بنده آن چیزی را عرض کردم که به نظرم آمد و به کسی‌ بی‌ احترامی نکردم.

کاش یاد می گرفتیم در مباحثه ادب را حاکم قرار دهیم. 

موفق باشید.

 

Prince of vinegar & his fiancee sign a prenuptial decree!!

by فغان on Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:52 AM PST

ببین شازده جون چی‌ میگم، بالا غیرتاً یه فرمان همایونی صادر کن
که هم خودت راحت شی‌، هم این ده دوازده تا خواننده این بلاگ. پیش لوطی و
ملّق بازی مرد حسابی‌؟ این روحیه دمکرات منشی و ارجاع به افکار عمومی‌ که
الان ازش صحبت میکنی‌ پدر جون، نمیدونم از لحاظ ژنیتیکی کجا  گیر کرده بود
که یه دفعه با صد، صدو پنجاه سال تاخیر توی این به قول خودت "خیابان"های
فرنگ سر دراورد. 

درموندگی "پهلوی" چی‌‌ها در ایجاد وجهه‌ برای "رضا" ی بی‌ خاصیّت، این
جماعت رو به خلق سناریوی شازده قاجار و رضایت معظّم له بر ارجاع "رضا" بر
تخت طاووس واداشته. من فکر می‌کنم شازده شراب واسه اینکه تبدیل به شازده
خراب نشه، بهتره هر چی‌ زود تر تشکیل سلسله مشترک
قاجار‌پهلوی رو اعلام کنه و بعدشم مراسم شیرینی‌ خوری با "روستا" و شرکأ.

The Pahlavis and all mullahs must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.

Farah Rusta

by Red Wine on Fri Nov 27, 2009 05:13 PM PST

 

شنبه شب شما به خیر ...

بنده عرض کردم که با قسمتی‌ از فرمایشات شما موافق هستم... در مطالب دیگری که نوشتید بحثی‌ نمیکنم چون حرف حساب جواب ندارد و فقط این را اضافه کنم که بنده با آنکه از خاندان تاج و تخت میایم و درس سیاست را خوانده ام، به سختی وارد نظر دادن در مورد سیاست ایران  میشوم،به نظر بنده بالای ۹۰% افرادی که در این سایت نظر سیاسی میدهند،هدف خاصی‌ را دنبال نمیکنند و بیشتر مطالبشان خیابانی است و خارج از چارچوب یک بحث درست،آنجور که باید باشد.

با این حال همانجور که عرض شد، تمام این مسأل با یک عدد رفراندوم،حل خواهد شد... اگر مردم واقعا سلطنت میخواهند،پس حتما رای خواهند داد و تمام.

فغان

Red Wine
Fri Nov 27, 2009 05:06 PM PST

خدمت شما عرض شد که ما هم موافق به این امر نیستیم ولی‌ مجبوریم قبول کنیم که چند درصد از مردم ایران،طرفدار آقای رضا پهلوی هستند و باید به این جریان احترام گذاشت !

اگر شما میفرمأید که ایشان طرفدار ندارند،پس علت ترس چیست !؟ جمهوریت برنده این رفراندم خواهد شد و بس !

 

Royal Hermaphrodite.....CC: Shazdeh Red Wine

by فغان on Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:54 PM PST

Farah Rusta's kindness to me is an old news item to everybody; she is well aware of my shortcomings in English. however, his/her writing in English is an obligatory task. You see, the same people who recently sent her to "Martha Stewart School For Blog Mannerism", want her to be a ubiquitous commentator. I do enjoy reading her/his comments only to be awed by the amount of prejudice in them; every single of them. 

I, personally, have no problem with a "constitutional monarchy", where the king is nothing more than a symbol of constitutional democracy and sacred sovereignty; nothing more, nothing less. The Pahlavis did never fit nor did they try to fit that role. Shah became the law of the land instead of guardian of the law. His family, the whole shebang of the Pahlavis benefited from a corrupt Royal court; His sister Ashraf Pahlavi, Reza jan's dear aunt, for instance had her grip on the judicial system which helped her son "Shahram" to become one of the wealthiest people during that period. That's why I consider "Reza" as a bubble boy who has never criticized his father for His dictatorship, corruption and mismanagement. The Pahlavis are a bunch of wounded wolves who have big score to settle with a huge majority of us.

It's a good thing to know that Farah considers the nation of Iran unworthy of that kind of monarchy.

The Pahlavis and all mullahs must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.

Dear Red Wine!

by Farah Rusta on Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:08 AM PST

First, apologies for writing in English in my response to your Persian comments. This is for the benefit of our mutual 'friend' Faghan (also known as Afghan among his royalist friends) who is more comfortable with the tongue of his adopted country particularly after a couple of shots of Gin and T.   

To be honest with you, and this may come as a surpirse to you, I am not so very keen to see the monarchy returned to Iran either. Iranians are not a nation worthy of such honor. Througout their two and half millennia of monarchical rule, they have never held their kings in the high esteem that other Eastern nations such as Japan, for example have done. Since the earliest days of our "glorious history" we have cheated, betrayed or killed our kings: from Darius to Yazdegerd, from Karim Khan to Agha Mohammad Khan (even though he was a eunuch, his facial contours resembled one of his great grandsons we know only too well!!) and recently the two Pahlavi kings. And there are many other examples. We have been an nation of traitors and quislings. Now, do I really want to see Pahlavi the third to follow the same path that his ancesters went through? Never!  Besides, I can't imagine if he wants it either. The only reason that I take a stand against likes of Mr Kazemzadeh is that they do precisely what they accuse other of doing: distortion of historic facts.

Let me reassure you that monrchy is most unlikely to return to Iran. We have had enough monarchs who interpret the laws in their own way and call it "emergency necessities" (re: 1952-53 premiership). But then again, who could imagine that one day Iran would be ruled by the clergy - no thanks to the grand treachery of Jebhe Melli.

With respect,

FR

ps - Afgan, fix me a cocktail silly :)

شازده "شراب قرمز"

فغان
Fri Nov 27, 2009 03:24 PM PST

من نیز به لزوم "همه شمولی" یک حکومت ایده آلی‌ اعتقاد دارم. منتها
توجه داشته باشید که معادلات سیاسی و ژئوپلیتیکی دنیا پس از فروپاشی بلوک
شرق مانند سی‌ سال قبل نیست. تا من و شمای نوعی بیاییم بر سر مواد و
تبصره‌های رفراندوم چک و چانه بزنیم، اهواز را با "ح" خواهند نوشت  و بقیه
قضایا. این پسره ، نوه رضا میر پنج، کسی‌ نیست که بتواند بدون ملعبه دست
اسرائیل و آمریکا، یا هر دولت خارجی، شدن  از پس حفظ تمامیت ارضی
ایران بدون تشبّث به دیکتاتوری، این بار بد تر از اون باباش، برآید. سلطنت طلبهای ساکن این سایت هم بخوبی از "ملیجک صفتی" او
آگاهند و روی آن سرمایه‌ گذاری و برنامه ریزی کرده‌اند....

The Pahlavis and all mullahs must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.

responses

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Thu Nov 26, 2009 03:05 PM PST

Foghan jaan,

Sepaas gozaram,

Masoud

　

　

　

Dear Kaveh Ahangar,

You are most welcomed, and thank YOU.

Masoud

　

　

　

Red Wine gerami,

Thanks for your kind words.

Masoud

فغان

Red Wine
Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:16 AM PST

فغان عزیز .

بنده هم خواستار یک جمهوری ساده هستم، جمهوری ایران.

ولی‌ توجه داشته باشید که باید به نظر و فکر دیگر هم وطنان احترام گذاشت.حالا سلطنت طلب باشد و یا کمونیست !

اول باید متحد شد و ملایان را به بیرون انداخت و بعدا با یک رفراندوم،میتوانیم حکومت آینده مملکت خود را تعیین کنیم.

موفق باشید.

 

خانوم روستا

Red Wine
Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:12 AM PST

خانوم روستا .

با آنکه از طایفه و دسته شازدگان آبی پوش هستم،ولی‌ سلطنت طلب نیستم، خوش نمیبینم که سلطنت بار دیگر بر ایران سایه افکند ، چون در طول ۲۰۰ سال تاج و تخت،ایران سختی بسیار کشیده است و دیگر بس بینم عذاب مجدد را !

در کنار این جریان،با بقیه احضارات حضرت عالی‌ کاملاً موافق هستیم و دست شما راا میفشاریم.

روز‌های خوشی‌ را برایتان آرزو می‌کنم.

 

آقای کاظم زاده

Red Wine
Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:04 AM PST

آقای کاظم زاده.

من مطالب شما را با دقت میخوانم و استفاده می‌کنم.شما بسیار خوش دستید در تاریخ نویسی و ما به شما ارادت داریم.

منتهی مراتب انگاری گفتن از مصدق السلطنه و غیره فایده دیگر بر تصمیم امروزیان در مورد سرنوشت ایران ندارد !

ما ایرانیان افرادی عجیب هستیم که تنها خود، به خود شبیهیم و دیگر هیچ !

جاوید و پیروز باشید .

 

Dear Mr. Kazemzadeh

by Kaveh_Ahangar on Wed Nov 25, 2009 07:16 PM PST

Thank you so much for your posts about Dr. Mossadegh's position towards the Bahais and women's right to vote. 

I guess if one is a staunch supporter of an incapable king who handed the whole country to a bunch of lowly Islamists, and worked hand in hand with them to bring down the only democratically elected prime minister of this country, he or she has to resort to all sorts of nonsense targeting late Drs. Mossadegh and Fatemi, and all the elite and "nokhbegaan".  As Iraj says:

Baa in "OLAMA" hanooz mardom          Az ronaghe molk naomidand.

It looks like we need to extend the defintion of Olama to include Shaholaahis as well!

 

An angel?...Farah Rusta

by فغان on Wed Nov 25, 2009 05:37 PM PST

"Have I used any abusive words in my latest comments?"

من هم میل دارم به سهم خودم از تلطیف لحنتان  که اخیرا در
نوشتارهای انگلیسی‌، و نه در فارسی‌، مشهود است ابراز تعجب کنم. حال خدای
شاه و مصدق میداند که چه طوفانی پشت این آرامش است.

به هر حال هرچه که باعث این انقلاب درونی‌ شده است را من شخصاً پاس
میدارم، چه دوا و درمان پزشکی باشد‌، چه دستور  رئیس و سفارش  همکاران، چه
کلاس شبانه و غیره.

یه دفعه هم دیدید اینهم یکی‌ از علائم ظهور آقاست.

 

مطمئن باشید که با ادامه این رویه به زودی تعداد طرفداران رضا جان را به حد نصاب ۱۷ نفر خواهید رساند.

//iranian.com/main/2009/nov/emam-zaman-si...

The Pahlavis and all mullahs must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.

Is the truth so harsh?

by Farah Rusta on Wed Nov 25, 2009 04:38 PM PST

Have I used any abusive words in my latest comments? Compared to what is written about the Pahlavi kings on this site, from allegations of financial corruptions to charges of sexual perversion, I am still behaving like an angel. MK has nothing to offer in defence of Mossadegh when it comes to the charges of Mossadegh's complicity with the darkest forces of reaction, meaning the clregy and their supporters in his own cabinet. Instead he hides behind some misused and irrelevant proverbs that if anything are very much applicable to himself. If  what I allege is nonsense then why do you feel compelled to offer a rebuttal?

 

 

FR

Red Wine...

by فغان on Wed Nov 25, 2009 03:52 PM PST

شرائط مجازی حاکم بر این سایت را نه میتوانیم و نه باید بر شرائط
واقعی‌ جامعه ایران  تسرّی داد. جوانان داخل ایران نه چشم امید به
استخوانهای پوسیده مصدّق دارند و نه نواده بی‌ خاصیت رضا میرپنج را به
رسمیّت میشناسند. . مبادا مشغولیت‌های روزانه ما در این سایت و یا
سایت‌های مشابه، من و شمای نوعئ را متوهّم کند. ملت ایران، خواهان جمهوری
ایرانیست و بس.

The Pahlavis and all mullahs must disclose the source and the amount of their wealth.

 

:-)

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 03:42 PM PST

Hola Natalia jaan,

I am glad you liked it.

:-)

 

Masoud

 

جناب می‌‌گلی عزیز

Farah Rusta
Wed Nov 25, 2009 03:20 PM PST

مشکل اینجا است که گذشته هنوز نگذشته. ما نسل‌های پسا ۲۸ مردادی  تا به امروز قربانیان جهل و خطا کاری پیشینیان خود بوده ایم. تنها راه نجات همانا علت یابی‌ اشتباهات گذشته است. ولی بعضی‌ مثل کاظم زاده‌ها نمی‌‌خواهند از جهل خویش بیرون آیند. باور کنید نه شاه مقصر بود و نه مصدق و نه خمینی. مشکل بزرگ ما خود ما ملت ناشریف ایران هستیم که نه شاه پرستیم، نه مصدق پرست و نه خمینی پرست. بالا تر از همه چیز خود پرستیم. والسلام نامه تمام!

 

 

FR

Flat earth society.....lol

by Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez on Wed Nov 25, 2009 02:31 PM PST

hahaha

It was so funny......I am so adding that to my list. :o)

Sepaas Dr. K 

responses

by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 02:21 PM PST

Dear hamfekr,

　

Since 1953, the two regimes that have ruled Iran (despotically and brutally) have tried very hard to spread lies about Dr. Mossadegh. Both the monarchy and fundamentalist regimes have had huuuuuuuuuge amount of money and both devoted huge sums for propaganda. They have failed. In the past 60 or so years, those Iranians who love Iran, freedom, democracy, and human rights have upheld the memory of Dr. Mossadegh’s brave struggles for freedom and democracy.

I am not doing much. Just cutting-and-pasting the publications of some of the top scholars of Iran. These are very small steps to share the historical scholarship with a wider audience.

　

Best,

MK

　

==============================

 

Ali jaan,

Actually earlier, before he became prime minister, in 1949 Dr. Mossadegh introduced a bill that would give women the vote. Parvin Paidar writes:

"In 1949, Mossaddeq attempted to draft an electoral bill and proposed to include female enfranchisement on the grounds that the constitution specified equality of all citizens before the law."

Parvin Paidar, Women and the Political Process in Twentieth-Century Iran (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1995), p. 132.

 

　

The 1952 cabinet bill is well-known. Here is a reference to it:

Fakhreddin Azimi, The Quest for Democracy in Iran (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2008), p. 173.

//www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/AZIQUE.html

 

//books.google.com/books?id=Gt-Gwo1w_AkC&pg=PT191&lpg=PT191&dq=iran+female+franchise+mosaddeq&source=bl&ots=Jkt2FPzFsI&sig=Uihjpvl2R6e3V1ZpifWguCHkV80&hl=en&ei=MqUNS__2Jc29lAeB_omeBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=&f=false

　

　

　

Women’s vote was not the only progressive issue Dr. Mossadegh pursued. The first land reform was also pursued by Dr. Mossadegh.

　

Best,

Masoud

　

=======================================

 

FR,

Your attitude is like those in a cult. No amount of scholarship is able to change YOUR dogma. You repeat the same nonsense again and again and again. Presenting evidence to you is like presenting evidence to the members of the Flat Earth Society. Your attitude to those who present evidence contrary to your dogma is that of insults. You have done this to eminent scholars such as professors Katouzian and Abrahamian, as well as the late Dr. Amini.

Using vulgarities and insults instead of evidence is like throwing mud at diamonds. That is what you do. Mud is mud, and diamond remains a diamond.

Americans have a saying, "you can bring a horse to water, but you cannot make the horse to drink the water." That is all I can do: bring water.

MK

　

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Red Wine jaan,

If you read these history lessons carefully, you will find out that they present what the fundamentalist regime does NOT want the people to know.

What I have posted is not new. Top scholars have published these many years ago. It comes as surprise because the fundamentalist regime does not want the reactionary nature of their politics and their close cooperation with the Shah and the role in the 1953 coup be known.

I am simply making available to a wider audience what scholars have already published.

Best,

MK

　

 

 

...

by Red Wine on Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:27 AM PST

سالها از وفات مصدق السلطنه گذشته است و هنوز شک داریم که آیا ایشان وطن پرست بوده است و آیا مملکت به خارجی‌ فروخته است و آیا، آیا ... !

حالا باید چه کرد ؟ ایشان که رفته اند، تکلیف زنده‌ها چیست !!؟؟ چه کسی‌ رهبری مردم ایران را به دست گیرد تا بر علیه آخوند‌ها و طرفدارانشان بجنگند ؟!

حرف از حال و اکنون زنید که گذشته را خاک کردیم و تمام !

 

The same Mossadegh who freed Razm Ara's assasin?

by Farah Rusta on Wed Nov 25, 2009 02:00 PM PST

Mr Kazemzadeh I am sorry that I have to give you such agony by reminding the readers of the double (if not triple) standards of your idol Mossadegh, but the trouble with you and almost all of your so called "scholarly" sources whom you keep quoting is that you people have not even examined the works of such authors as Mirfertros, Matini, Foad Rouhani or Movahed. Your style is devoid of academic objectivity and integrity. Ebrahamian's work  or that of another darling of JM junkies, Kinzer, are not even considered worthy of historic value by Iranian-based researchers and scholars as these "western" authors have had no access to the real players in the field. There are still many people alive and living who not only lived in those heady days but formed and shaped the event. .

In his interview with talash journal, Mirfetros clearly shows the duplicitous nature of Mossadegh who was prepared to do dealing and wheeling with ALL sides (clergy, communists, monarchists) just to remain in power. His "interpretation" of the constitution, and not the very text of the  of the constitution was the basis of his moves. . If it was good for him to go against the constitution because he interpreted it the way that suited him, then why was it bad for the Shah to do the same? You and the people much bigger than you have nothing to answer to these damning allegations except repeating your meaningless mantras.

It is interesting that you chose one of the less significant parts of Mirfetros's interview and remained silent about the rest. Is your Mossadegh who supposed to have drafted a bill in support of women's right the same Mossadegh who:

• signed a copy of Quran and sent to it the Shah and pledged to remain loyal to the Constitution and the Monarchy whilst  appointed Fatemi,as his adviser and later foreign minister - the same Fatemi who was a journalist in his newspaper Bakhtar Emrooz, used to call for the violent removal of the monarchical state and replacing it by a republican regime (not to mention the abusive and offensive literature used in the same paper). The same Fatemi who called for the confication of the royal properties and sealed the royla residences immidiately after the Shah left the contry?
• pretended to be secular while (i) invited Kashani to become the Speaker of a Jebhe Melli-dominated Majles (ii) freed the killer of his predecessor General Razm Ara as a gift to Kashani and later the same year freed the head of the Islamic terrorist group (Fadaeeyan Eslam)  Navab Safavi as a further gesture of appeasement to Kashani (iii) appointed Mohammad Ali Lotfi, a religious fanatic, as minister of Justice, who tried and failed to dissolve the Iran's Supreme Court of Justice (again to appease the clergy after Reza Shah's great achievement in secularizing the justice system) (iv) appointing Kazemi (another religious fanatic) as his first foreign minister and (v) Bazaragn (the ultimate shiekh) at the head of th "khale yad" (decommissioning committee), and (vi) Dr Mehdi Azar as his culture minister to close down the mixed sex schools - again to appease the clerics of Qom and Kashani?
• as a prime minster who had sworn to remain loyal to the Constitution, called the Majes in which he had no longer a majority, a club of traitors, and wenr ahead to unconstitutionally dissolve it through a made-up referendum - a move that he was warned against by both Sadighi and even another religious fanatic like Sanjabi?

The list can continue but perhaps at a later time. I don't know what you may call such a person but in most cultures, he is called a Charlatan.

ps - I told you we will meet again and I give you further opportunities to come up with your mumbo jumbo :)

 

 

FR

Massoud jaan

by Ali P. on Wed Nov 25, 2009 06:01 AM PST

With all due respect, it seems a little odd, don't you think?

Amid all the problems Dr. Mossadegh had with the Shah and the British,
and the Islamists and the communists, and the Army, and the economy, and
when he is issuing a referendum to dissolve Parliament- a historic and
unprecedented and controversial and arguably unconstitutional move to dissolve one branch
of government by another- why would he draft a bill for women's right? ( Kam gereftaaree daasht?)

From what we read about the era, women's enfranchising, was just not a priority to the major political players of the time, including Dr. Mossadegh.

Another citation would deeply be appreciated.

 

Yours,

Ali P.

Mossadeq, the national hero Vs. Shah the traitor

by hamfekr on Wed Nov 25, 2009 03:20 AM PST

آقای کاظم زده

لطفا روشنگری‌های خود را در مورد روابط دکتر مصدق،روحانیون و دربار
پهلوی با جدیّت ادامه دهید. جناح طرفدار رضا پهلوی در این سایت از هیچگونه
تلاشی برای مخدوش کردن چهره "یگانه قهرمان ملی‌ معاصر" ایران دریغ
نمیورزند.