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Four questions relating to Iran's & Israel's nuclear programs.
01-Sep-2012
After the Apartheid government of South Africa collapsed, the new government declassified a series of documents signed by Shimon Peres of Israel and P.W. Botha of Apartheid South Africa that showed that Israel agreed to provide nuclear warheads "in three sizes" to Apartheid South Africa. The first picture is one of the contracting documents, and more of those documents can be found at this link. A flash over the Indian Ocean detected by an American satellite in September 1979 was suspected of being a nuclear test, possibly conducted by either Israel or South Africa, alone or in combination. In March 1993, President de Klerk declared that South Africa had previously developed a limited nuclear capability, which had been dismantled and destroyed before South Africa acceded to the NPT. The second picture is to remind people what apartheid was.
Four questions, among many, that color the background of the nuclear tension between Iran and Israel, and will not go away, are: 1. Do you trust Israel knowing that it contracted to proliferate nuclear weapons to an apartheid country? 2. Even if you accept that it was not a problem for Israel to contract with Apartheid South Africa for delivery of nuclear weapons and technology, can you accept that other people of the world find what Israel did to be problematic? 3. Is it acceptable for Israel to continue to avoid scrutiny of its nuclear program by refusing to confirm or deny the existence of its nuclear program? 4. Do you agree that other nations may take counter-measures in making military defense policy because of Israel's history of contracting to sell nuclear warheads to Apartheid South Africa, and UN inaction on that issue? More information on South Africa’s nuclear program and sources.
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by LoverOfLiberty on Sat Sep 08, 2012 09:31 AM PDTMaryamJoon : "Israel can fight maybe a 30-60 day war.
Iran has proven it will fight one for 8 years.
There will be no Tel Aviv left.
Quantity is also a quality. Do you know how many Persian speakers and non-Persian speaking regional allies Iran has?
Hundreds of millions.
Like I said: No more Tel Aviv."
Do you really think the West would let there be "no more Tel Aviv?"
The idea of Israel going to "war" with Iran is a joke
by MaryamJoon on Sat Sep 08, 2012 09:08 AM PDTIsrael can fight maybe a 30-60 day war.
Iran has proven it will fight one for 8 years.
There will be no Tel Aviv left.
Quantity is also a quality. Do you know how many Persian speakers and non-Persian speaking regional allies Iran has?
Hundreds of millions.
Like I said: No more Tel Aviv.
MaryamJoon
by LoverOfLiberty on Sat Sep 08, 2012 09:04 AM PDTMaryamJoon: "Then whatever Iran does is "voluntary" - NPT can be withdrawn"
Sure, Iran can withdraw from the NPT. But, I think that action would likely isolate Iran to an extent that no living human in Iran today has ever experienced. And I think the chances of war between Iran and the West or just Israel would be greatly increased.
But, until that day arrives, Iran is obligated-and required-to verify her adherence to non-proliferation and the pledge that she made when she joined the NPT...that being that Iran would not develop nuclear weapons nor assist other nations who seek to develop nuclear weapons.
Then whatever Iran does is "voluntary" - NPT can be withdrawn
by MaryamJoon on Sat Sep 08, 2012 08:20 AM PDT"The signing and ratification of the NPT by any nation is entirely voluntary. And Israel and South Africa made their deals outside the confines of the NPT and its associated obligations." - Lover of Liberty
The signing and
by LoverOfLiberty on Sat Sep 08, 2012 08:16 AM PDTThe signing and ratification of the NPT by any nation is entirely voluntary.
And Israel and South Africa made their deals outside the confines of the NPT and its associated obligations.
On the other hand, Iran has signed and ratified the NPT...effectively declaring to all the other member states of that treaty that it would not develop nuclear weapons nor assist other nations who seek to develop nuclear weapons.
And Iran has been found in the past to be in violation of her safeguards agreement...which are obligations verifying non-proliferation that Iran was required to meet being a signatory-state of the NPT. Those violations weren't necesarily violations of the NPT, per say. But those violations do raise the question of whether or not Iran has been sincere with regards to her declaration that she would not develop nuclear weapons nor assist other nations who seek to develop nuclear weapons.
So then, which country should be trusted with regards to minimizing or ending nuclear weapon proliferation?:
Nation A: The nation which never voluntarily joined the NPT and, as a result, never pledged that it would not develop nuclear weapons nor assist other nations who seek to develop nuclear weapons....but who was later found to be proliferating nuclear weapons and assisting another non-NPT nation's drive for nuclear weapons.
Or,
Nation B: The nation which voluntarily joined the NPT and, as a result, pledged that it would not develop nuclear weapons nor assist other nations who seek to develop nuclear weapons...but who was later found to be in a set of circumstances whereby the adherence to that pledge could not be verified?
If you ask me, if I am interested in attaining the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, I would tend to trust Nation B less than Nation A since Nation B appears to potentially be proliferating nuclear weapons...and Nation B's actions tend to undermine the strength and effectiveness of the NPT as well.
Nation A, on the other hand, has proliferated nuclear weapons. But, the strength and effectiveness of the NPT, at least in my mind, shouldn't be based on the fact that nuclear weapons have proliferated as a result of Nation A's actions. (Indeed, there probably wouldn't be an NPT if such circumstances didn't occur.) Instead, I think the strength and effectiveness of the NPT should be based on how well the member-states of the NPT actually adhere to their pledge that they would not develop nuclear weapons nor assist other nations who
seek to develop nuclear weapons. And, Nation A, being a non-NPT-state, would not part of that determination.
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Roozbeh_GilaniSun Sep 02, 2012 11:42 AM PDT
Glad to hear that the sex change operation went smoothly :)
Love the phototoshop collage WahidJoon
by Anonymous Observer on Sat Sep 01, 2012 07:38 PM PDTWelcome back Wahid ILoveIran! Will look forward to more of your Israel / Jew / Bahai related articles and videos. :-)
PS- I thought you said IC was a Zionist / Bahai scam site. Why are you back on it again? I think I'll have to reoprt this to the Center for Independent Media. :-)