kamangir

RE: Natalia imposter

Would you please pick another name? Natalia was both my maternal and paternal grandmothers name (they have both past away, all I have left is their name). Please, a little respect.

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Natalia

Ozre bad tar az gonah!!

This expression in Farsi means: giving an excuse or a reason to justify a flaw, which is more incriminating than the flaw itself. If he lives in Europe and has such a flawed understanding of the European monarchical democracies, then he is not forgiven!

Anglophile.....

I believe that Mr. Madadi lives in Europe and not North America.

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Natalia

What he says...

What is really in Reza Pahlavi's heart?

I do not know.

 But as far as what he says, I can respect him.

He believes constitutional monarchy is a good form of government for Iran.You may think a federal republic is best, and I dream of a Stalinist socialist Iran. Last, but not least,Faribors Amirnasri, M.D., believes Islamic Republic is the best!

Some day, in a free Iran,we'll have a period of three months of free propaganda.

We all tell people why what we think, would be best.

 Then we'll have a referandum.

If people like a Stalinist socialist form of government, so be it.

You see, the problem is not really the form of government; it is people respecting the vote of majority- of course with certain protections for the minority and civil liberties- and not raising hell, because they didn't get their way.

Reza Pahlavi, at least verbally, has committed to this.

 Anyone who does, and I don't have any reason to doubt them, has my respect, and vote of confidence. 

I believe there are many who have good memories of the Pahlavi era, and therefore are monarchists. Are they the majority? I doubt it. But if there is a day, where the majority of Iranians want monarchy, and Reza Pahlavi back, I, as a believer of democracy, could live with that.

Mr Madadi, with respect ...

you are talking nonsense. But you are forgiven as being an Iranian-American that you are, would instantly disqualify you from passing any serious or in-depth opinion on the role of modern monarchy in country's like Britain, Japan, and other European democracies such as Spain, Scandinavian countries, Holland and Belgium. Britain, being the oldest parliamentary democracy in the world has the best of all systems of governanace. In Britain, the monarch is a nonpolitical entity who represnts the interests of the nation when the two major politcal parties cannot reach an overriding agreement on matters to do with national interests. The parliament is the ultimate soveriegn. Compare this with the US system in which the President, the Congress, the Senate and the Supreme Court of Justice are all influenced by their political affiliations.

You are obviously so used to the Iranian kings being puppets of the foreign power that cannot belive that there are monarchies that are diferent.

Re: Ben Madadi

I don't think Kamangir was talking about monarchy as a "leadership mechanism" either, he was stressing its symbolic role.

As for good king vs. bad king, modern constitutional monarchies (which I presume is what we are talking about) are basically designed (through their constitution) in a way that allows a good king to have some positive contribution, while a bad king basically doesn't have enough power to do much harm.

There is basically no reason why we cannot have a similar arrangement in Iran in the future.

Re: Kamangir

Thanks for your reply! Where is your picture gone? I see a fish!

Having a king is not necessarily wrong if the king is good. The problem with monarchy is that more often the king is bad! Beside this there is another huge problem! In case we want at least some sort of justice and social equity, or at least ideally speaking, aspire to it, we also need to have a relatively just and fair system of leadership. This is where monarchy fails terribly, because anyone can say he wants to be the king! What can you say to him? Well, in case the king is nothing but a puppet, like the British monarchy, then they don't really matter. Though even in Britain if you ask me, they are none-sense and would better go! However the majority of the British actually want the monarchy to stay! But, as mentioned earlier, the British monarchy is not a leadership mechanism. 

Dear Natalia

His Imeprial Highness, Prince Reza Pahlavi is ALREADY a party activist. This is a party that he has founed alone. It is called: "Sittinng on the Fence" party. Basically, the members of this party, currently being one i.e. himself, believe that the best policy is to find a fence, sit on it and wait for the people to decide what they want you to be. If the people decide to appoint you as the next Shah, you support monarchy. If they want you to be a democratic president, then you support republicanism. If they want you to be a religious leader then, you support religious activities. If they want you to be a dictator, then you become a dictator.

Sitting on the Fence Party is the most ideal party for those who have no established opinion of themselves, hence sitting on the fence!

Dear Kamangir.........if?

If  a Monarchy was not re-established in Iran and instead there was a secular democratic parliamentary, what political party, do you think that Reza Pahlevi would belong to? I am trying to get a clearer picture of his political views.

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Natalia

To : Kamangir

Fair enough.

Very refreshing.

As long as you believe in democracy, we all belong to the same front.

To: Ben Madadi

Your question is very relevant. It's fair for you and others wonder why Iranian monarchists are in fact monarchists.  I am a monarchist for two reasons:

First: Iran is a monarchy by tradition. This started since Cyrus the great and continued (with interuptions) till 1979. Some kings were good some others better and some were bad. But Iran has a very old tradition of having a king as a figure and this goes hand in hand with our Persian traditions. The Pahlevis were liked and wanted by many Iranians and despised by many others (mainly the religious and the communists) Now, regardless of their faults or virtues, in my opinion, the pahlevis did a great job. Look at the Iran they got during Reza Shah and the Iran you had in 1978. On the other hand they were very much promoting the 'Persian' essence of Iran by purifying our Persian language and by revitilizing our Persian history and customs. This went along with Iran's modernization and progress. I could go on, but I've a personal respect and admiration towards the Pahlevis and am familiar with their opponents arguments and issues.

The second reason is that the Pahlevis, are the only known and well respected opposition entity. They are very much known around the world and there's a lot of respect towards them among the European and the American, and I've lived outside Iran for the last 23 years and am familiar with this issue. They represnt us as Iranians, as civilized and well educated culture.

That said, I am very flexible with what sort of government should Iran enjoy in the after IRI era. It doesn't have to be monarchy, it doesn't have to be Reza Pahlevi. Iranian people should choose what they want (and that's what Reza Pahlevi really asks for)

Iran is being doomed and we all need to unite and help our country.

Mr Kamangir

Hi! I asked Kadivar, he didn't answer (yet). I ask you too, why are you a monarchist, though I'm not sure you are :) Are you? If so, why?

Dear Kamangir..Sepaas!

I'm on my way out the door too. I will be at the auto shop most of the day. I will try to get back to this thread tonight.  

I will check with my local library to see if the book, I mentioned to you has arrived. I requested a copy of it.   

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Natalia

Dear Natalia As you can

Dear Natalia

As you can see some Iranians like 'Amirkabir' think that a figure like Reza Pahlavi should have gotten rid of the IRI by himself alone. He thinks that Reza Pahlavi begs for help (begging?)

However; responding to you question, very briefly now as I've to leave for work, on this clip, Reaz Pahlavi insists on his main points:

The West shouldn't be deceived by the IRI's double game of good and bad IRI (Khatami like liberals versus harliners like ahmadinejad) this was very relevant before Khatami's election and during his mediocre 'presidency' they are all the same, playing a game trying to fool Iranians.

Next point is, that the West, mainly Europe should give up its support for the IRI. The IRI has survived thanks and because of such support, mainly because of so much needed resources Iran has.

Next point is that Western confrontation with Iran, specailly the military one is a big mistake, the West should help Iranians to get rid of the regime by massive civil disobediance. He's in favor of serious sanctions that sofocate the regime (sanctions in the making right now, to amirkabir type's dissapointment)

I'll digg into his speech much more later.

Sepas

To Natalia Alvarado-Alvarez

Not to worry you have not missed anything.

The same comments been repeated in the last several years. Those who can not win over Iran, expect nation's general support, to back them and overthrow mullahs. In other words, the Iranian people should do his job for him. So typical of a monarch!

A true politician CREATS support not beg for it.

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The video was filmed in the Netherlands, correct? I noticed the year was 2007.

As I don't know Farsi, would you be so kind as to explain a little on the event?

Sepaas! I will check on your response. :o)

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Natalia