Jahanshah Javid

esfand, i'm not against it.

esfand, i'm not against it. as i said, i think it'll be an interesting experiment. i think the point (or one of the points) that the admin is trying to make is if you think the admin is a dictator, let's see how you guys will behave if you have control.  will one dictator be replaced by many?  will some people censor others opinion just because they don't agee with it?  will the censored people make their own blogs just to respond to unfair censorship?  it'll be interesting to see the outcome whether i (you, they) like it or not.

however, whatever the result, it does not answer to some of the incosistencies in comment controls and bannings that happen from time to time with the one "dictator" scenario.

Hamsade jaan it's called freedom.

Right now individual freedoms are restricted because I can't prevent someone from hogging or trashing my blog, which is my house.  I don't care how others want to treat their blogs and administer it.  What I care about is that I have the "ability" to do things my way.  That's how it is in almost everywhere else in the blogsphere.

I'm sure some people will want to get into pissing contests "intentionally" and so will blog and encourage others to come in so they can have a go at it!  Good for them!

We're talking about average people who want to say something, whatever it may be, and don't want to be forced to listen to some jackass come in and give his/her two cents!  Especially if the commentator doesn't know the difference between two cents and a two rials!

It won't be donkey to donkey, it'll be people knowing their limits, or getting to know what their limits are. 

Everything is sacred

i think it'll be interesting

i think it'll be interesting to see how the comment control will work. we'll move from one admin and many standards to many people with many standards. it'll be donkey in donkey; nontheless, an interesting experiment.

Glad to hear it's all about memory

For a month now I've had trouble downloading IC pages. 

Started even thinking JJ was to be held personally responsible for taking away my freedom of expression on this Eyeranian site.

So, now it's all back in order. Or about to be. Good.

PS. we, elephants, have loooong memory. ;o))

Oh I see, but that's old style, I don't like that anymore.

Yes I see what you're saying now.  In some threads you can "reply" to a comment or to the article.  However, the "replies" to an original comment are hidden unless someone clicks and opens that thread.

I remember in the old days of chats online that's how it used to be.  But I wouldn't recommend it here, because first of all we don't have as many comments and that's one extra step to "click" to read something.

Besides in those threads you can "reply" to a "reply" to a comment and then you have to "drill down" to as many replies that has been made and it can get messy and too long.

Anyway, that can be done too but as I've said many times in the past and am a strong advocate of it, the only MAJOR change that'd make i.com different is comment control.  The rest can be talked about and improved but first thing is first.  I can't even envision anything beyond this first step! 

Everything is sacred

2 Commentary margins

Esfand Aashena:

Click on commentary on Huffington Post or Washington Post. There are 2 optoins. To post a comment about the actual topic, or to post a comment about another commentator, which  is indented.

It's very easy. It has nothing to do with being big companies - it's just a software that does that (what I've been told by tech-y friends.)  Go and look right now, on either of those sites. You either post your comment to the oirginal post, or you post a comment to a commentator.  I sincerely hope we can have this option here in the future, Jahanshah - differentiating between these two categories. 

Hafez jaan that's not true.

First of all comments on washingtonpost.com or cnn.com or huffingtonpost are in the THOUSANDS.  You can't go through all of them, especially with dozens of articles and blogs that keep getting added by the minute.

In those threads if you read them many of the comments are about few people discussing their comments.  Other people just make a sentence about the subject at hand as a comment and say something like "that's so sad" and there are hundreds of them on the same subject.

Second of all I have not seen anywhere where people comment about comments "separately"!  If you can please provide a link so we can see where you have seen such a thing.

So bottom line i.com will not be like huffington or cnn or others unless it is opened up to the public in Iran.  Meanwhile, I think it is ok to treat people's blogs as parties, I don't mind it in my blogs.

What I mind is some jackass who goes to blog after blog, getting into pissing contests with people just because s/he can.  Just because i.com allows such behavior.  This behavior also discourages other people to participate because of the presence of those jackasses.

So hopefully I can uninvite those unwanted guests from my blogs and keep my party going! 

Everything is sacred

2 Types of Comments

COMMENTARY:

Comments that are about the topic at hand.

Vs.

Comments that are about other comments. 

I really do hope the new "commentary" format becomes more streamlined with what's out there in much of mainstream media. By separating the two comentaries - via a new margin which is what most websites do - you can distinguish the real comments, from 2ndry discussions and comments on comments, that can very often completely change the original topic at hand. (Iranians are great at this, so even more important to have this tool.)

 If you look at Huffington Post, Washington Post - the comments that are about the topic at hand, are different from the comments that are about another comment. 

For example, I've seen people go on another person's post, and treat it like a mehmouni. Asking after each other, insulting each other - and completely ignoring the original post!! If the "comments about comments" could be in a separate margin, then I could easily spot that - and go straight to the "comments about the post." 

I can't wait for the software here to be able to do that... while it gets updated.

A proposal to make everybody happy

How about everyone having a personalized "front page" so as to choose which contributors to appear on their front page and who not to. :)

In that way, one can merrily surf with total comforting bliss of ignorance towards opposing ideas. No more tagging or flagging each other, no more insults, and no more wailing. After all, that is the perception of democracy most of us adhere to: freedom of expression as long as the speaker belongs to our sphere of truth:

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nice that IC is up

thanks for the explanation.

MG jaan

No. to uncle's life.

They say we can't... It is not doable...Now what you vaana do? go to local sherif? okay go... We see what you can do... we see how many man-capable are you (chand marde halajji) Okay?

In this iran. They say the same teeng. No lord. no pilgrime sir or ma,am. Vee don't geev you faster communicationzzz...only for beezeenezzes. You must beereeng a legal paper poorooving that.

BTW, It is also interesting to note, even if in the same household, if there happens to be an individual who happens to have a different status, if his or her name was not originally on the papers , they will not go ahead and upgrade the damn thing for you. SO you will be either stuck for a 6 month period, or if you wanna try another company, you will basically go to the back of the line waiting, for when they , the new company, will have services available in your area!!!!

And that , folks is how The internet thing is done in eeerraaan!!!

Me still tinks, you should put their rights on the palm of

of their hand.

I vas referign to Framarz' point on being genouros to de vaiters, de servers. They have a family to feed too. I had herd viscious romers and tings about you and servers; god willing it is cat.

Don't you just miss that high-speed, crunchy kapitalizme?

MG jaan

Your el questiones este No compreheble!!

I am not sure what you are asking me here bro.

On going nuts i was referring to the surge of complaints... already! as to why so and so's blogs and comments are deleted , unfeatured,... why the other guy gets to put up a million blogs per second... :)

It is real dillema here. Generally, residential customers are not ALLOWED! to have anything faster than the lowest available.which is 128mpbs...watching videos are a real pain in the butt, not to mention the occasional, outages and blockings and vpn's going out on you...and there i was in USA thinkig that 6 or even 10 kbps was slow and wanted to Pull Keshtake ATT over their heads...eye vazzz reeelly abuut two put their rights on the palm of their hands....:))

DM, and hov have you bein tereatting you servers?

I have heard tiengs about that !

Us eronies not going nuts over the whole thing, vat do you think vee are from : Seweden?

And yes, you is the "decider."

RG, "Death to" huh?

Good To know!!

Thanks for letting us know.

I really think some people need to put this commenting and blogging thing in a proper perspective and not go nuts over the whole thing.

Seriously thought that the guntlet was thrown big time and that the final verdict had been issued on IC yesterday by The big brother:)) and someone had decided that is it maaan. I am blocking this site for ever in iran...Given the ongoing shi... Internet situation in iran anything can be expected.

But thank god that was not the case.

think we should keep a close eye on faramarz though....

more explanation?

Jahanshah: Thank you, again. And glad the site is up and running again.

Can we have more explanation added to Blogging on the site? 

Blogs are posted at your discretion, I understand. What I don't understand is the logic behind it. We love to Blog, and also contribute to Iranian.com doing so - while personally, being grateful for being afforded the opportunity.

Today - of 16 Blogs - 5 were not posted to the front page. I do understand they can't all be posted and I have no choice in whether Hafez gets posted or not. But what I do understand is that 2 of the ommitted Blogs - the "Hafez Blog" and  "How Useful Are Iranian Know-it-Alls" - both attract much commentary and traffic. Leaving them out, while another Blogger got their maximum dose of 2 in one day, kind of baffles me.

Are we suddenly not welcome? I don't understand.  And a policy that is more logical, would make me personally feel more protected. But I don't understand the logic of the above: leaving out 2 very popular Blogs completely - and affording another regular Blogger double postings on the same day on the front page. It kind of hurts.

Again, clarification would be appreciated.

Perhaps the new website will also clear this kind of thing up. I had 2 personal friends I have amassed through Iranian.com - e-mail me today. I had told them I had posted a new Hafez Blog. It has 95% of the time made it to the front page. They wrote back to say they can't see it. Now, that's fine by me - but giving another BLogger a double space in the same day, while completing omitting Hafez, that I don't understand.

UPDATE - Hafez popped up, now. Thank you. 

خدمتکار کم حافظه!

A server with not enough memory is a problem! So try to keep your orders short and don't be too fussy.

And please tip well, the server has a family to feed!

Sounds interesting....

     Thank you JJ! I take it your are in Chile somewhere sipping Margarita! :-)

      I am not sure i grasped the idea fully but it defenitely sounds interesting...

سر کیسه رو شل کنید...آلزهایمر کامپیوترتون خوب میشه...

Good news about the redesign; can't wait to be banned from certain blogs...

And just in case....

Thanks JJ

I was going to change my Broadband provider. Look forward to the new format. I would have preferred if I could change the comments instead of deleting them.

Bring it on…

To the abusive comment I mean.  I always thought those abusive comments are far more a reflection of the poster than the author of the given blog/post.

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

You may want to try this next time there's blockage on IC

Death to Blockage, Long live Server and Memeory

Thanks for  explaining. I originaly suspected a blockage caused by regular daily  consumption of double dose of Fred's blogs. But servers and memories are the real culprits. They often delay my work too, honest..  

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

........

I wrote a post last nite in MG's video blog regarding the 2 year old killed by the hit and run drivers.......when I was doing the preview, I got kicked out from IC.....my post was lost....this morning I could not log in.....I thought I was blocked for being a bad person...LOL!.....now I know why....Ha ha!

I look forward to the new format!

Thank you IC!

The Iranian Revolution: Thanatos On A National Scale

"Death Instinct" aka "Thanatos," runs deep in our national culture. Some 'stupidities' are so deeply ingranied in us, that  it'll take a lot more than deletion to deal with it.See the book:

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The Iranian Revolution: Thanatos On A National Scale

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Personal responsibility

Words like "dictator" and "censorship" will all become relative -- with responsibility for content spread among each individual user. You will be the ruler of your own domain. iranian.com will be as free as each user wish it to be. It will be real, rather than idealistic.

"control"

Thanks for the update.

I have people close to me,  who would love all the "control!" -- Personally, I just hope I could type Persian in larger Font. (HAFEZ's words often get lost in the tiny font.) Oh- color would be nice too, color Fonts. 

As for "comments", as long as the abuse is weeded out - I'm fine with not having "control" over whatever is posted. Often, the  mean stuff teaches me more. Although, in some cases, when a person posts more than 2 comments, say,  and hogs the space, sure - it would be nice to press: "delete."

Here's to more MEMORY SPACE! Again, thanks for the prompt explanation.

I love Death to dictator! Also estupid comments will b deleted2!

Everything is sacred

I have zero tolerance for any slogan with the word Death in it,

How about "Down with Dictator," instead please.

This whole 'death' culture is so passe, and boring.

As if it isn't chaotic enough, now we're shifting the responsibility for each blog to the writer instead of Admin. In the long run it might turn out to be the best way to regulate the content, but meanwhile it reminds me of that Persian saying : "Khosh Choseh, Dam Bad Ham Mishineh!"

I will have ~zero tolerance for abusive comments in my blogs!

Everything is sacred