Jahanshah Javid

Yes American Wife joon,

Yes American Wife joon, please do post more often.
I'd like to see my melange of a world(having lived in different countries)thru your eyes too.
You are the first American wife that I know of who seems to LOVE the pride and find it magnificent. Good for you!

Your husband is one really lucky man!

Best of luck to you and your family.

--Unfortunately, since I don't live in CA I can't stop by the park to see your Parcham and all else! I live on the East Coast.

EDS

har vaght akseto mibinam mikham bokhoramet bekhoda!! AKH JOOON!
cheghadr to naazi bekhoda
;-)

American Wife

I guess we have our little conversation here in midst of the
heated discussions. So how is the
weather out there! LOL! I wish you and
your husband the best. And I am glad
that you are posting here.

American Wife

We have a saying in Farsi that says avaz-e dohol az door knosh ast, which means something to the effect that the sound of trumpet is good from afar.  When you get close, especially if it is amped up :-), it is not that good.

It is good that we discuss all these things but I think the reason is because none of us have any real solutions that is achieveable any time soon in Iran.  We can't even agree to come to terms outside Iran. 

You don't see us in public talking to each other with popped veins.  The days of popping veins belong to the early days of revolution and you only see it online here, some of it maybe because of poor English.  Although, Hajiagha with his terrible English was always as cool as a cucumber in response to attacks directed at him.

Once we find a solution we will be like Irish or Italians and won't be as much of a political potato head as we are today.  We don't want the headaches, we just want fun.

Marriage may also be a human need, not just a social need...

And not just human either.  There are many animals who have one mate for life, and if the mate dies they grieve as much as humans do. 

And what about dogs with their owners?  It's an emotional need, a kind of marriage, and there are dogs who die of grief when their owners die.

And that's where Mehdi comes in.

EDS

I've wanted to say something about Iranians (the ones I know anyway) and the pride in their heritage for a long time now.  It is MAGNIFICENT.  No other words can describe the pride that I...me, the American Wife,... feel when I am part of a Persian gathering.  I'm 2nd generation Irish and my family is BIG TIME proud of it.  Although I've not been to Ireland myself, several brothers and sisters have.  We have contact with our relatives in our home county and we proudly display our Irish heritage.  BUT... for the most part it's an "event" celebration, ie St. Patricks Day.  Certainly it's a factor of integration after so many years and Iranians will become more mainstream as well, but if you live in Orange County and go to Mason Park on a regular basis, you'll usually see some sort of Persian gathering.  I'm a real serious organizer and nothing makes me happier than getting our picnic basket with Persian linens, flag, and anything else red, green and white together.  My husband says I'm pushing it a little when I want to pack our poshtis'...lol.  I visited an Irish website for a time and enjoyed it immensely but I noticed that there really isn't a whole lot of cultural/social/political issues discussed.  You come to iranian.com and brother... you better be prepared to know your stuff!  While I might not agree with alot that is said there is no denying the passion that you feel for your homeland and your people.  It's a beautiful thing people!  And I'm proud to be a small part of it.

And to "annoyed".... more power to you... right on!

Weakness

zanincanadai1  jan,

That is why I put 'education' in the list too, but you ignored it. There are arguments against all social institutions, but I would suggest that you are picking on gays by denying them this one institution. No worries though. We can agree to disagree? :)

Peace!

Gays and Hajiagha

Gays was Hajiagha's favorite subject.  If he was not fired he would have been the topic of conversation and the center of attention here!

Here are some of what he had to say about Gays.  Apparently gay parades in Canada are even worse than San Francisco's.  This one wasn't even a gay parade, just a gay among Iranians.

Annoyed Queer Lady

I loved reading your comment! some of the homophobia here is just too outrageous and they keep quoting each other as if Fissa Ghooress has spoken ;-)
the reality is that you can't open people's mind for them! it's just blame it on ignorance and extreme prejudice.
I have been to gay parades and loved how fun they were. People are kind to one another, I didn't see any rage or anger from the gays who had attended. Thank goodness I didn't run into any protestors though...
Look at the negative attitude of the Americans toward homosexuals, how can you expect these guys to be more open-minded than americans?

In Iran, the people engaged in the act of sodomy are not called homosexual or gay, the bottom is called kooni and the top is still "da man" and goes home to his wife!
why do you think that is? they're all in denial!
even the ones who left the country 30 years ago and lived in a free society, they didn't find the time or the desire to educate themselves and hung on to their old rusty values for dear life.

I am so disgusted by the comments I read here. Ignorant and self-righteous people are coming out of the woodwork!

Told you they are paranoid...! Re: annoyed queer woman

Your comment is full of rage and accusation. Usually I don't reply anonymous fish (as a regular basis) now I must clarify some points with you, madame:

Yes, I find that parade very embarrassing ! Do I have the right to  protect my children from what I consider harmful or not ? This parade is full of violence and rage, couple of women almost naked with chain and leash and whip coming on the street playing dog and master ? And you want me to show this to my kids to tell them how wonderful is "sex"? Sorry madame, I have a limited tolerance for that, and I don't believe I should go "overboard" to prove my tolerance for gay's right. DK was very right when he said : in a few years we have to walk on the street to claim our right to be straight !!!

FYI, yes madame, we go to Disney  almost every year to please our children. Do you have a problem with that ? 

American Wife

That was a funny story about the Iranian flag, you and your husband.
Truth be told I also dislike the Islamic Republic changes to our flag.

You know, that is one of the great blessings of immigration and being a country
of immigrants. One has an opportunity to moderate his or her chauvinism
towards his country and tribe. So we can have fun with it rather than allow
it to become a source of misery. It is
wonderful to keep one’s sense of identity with his or her heritage and it is to
be expected. However, as with anything we
can abuse it and elevate it to a position of an object of worship, a god, in
which case it brings nothing but misery.

be paye ham pir shid ama!!!

yeki be man begeh chera sare be zanga when it's election year in basat rah miyofteh? Gay jamaat more power to you ama balaye ghayratetoon bazicheh nashid to daste in rasti ha keh avarage Joe az tarse akhar zamoon be saresh bezaneh!

I am so disgusted by the

I am so disgusted by the homophobic comments on this site. Why don't those of you who are trying to solve the "problem" of homosexuality start by questioning your taken-for-granted heterosexuality, which you seem to be so certain about. What happened that you became (that's right, hon.... BECAME) a heterosexual? Darlin'... I hate to break it to you, but the naturalization and normalization of heterosexual desire has a history. The binary thinking about homo/heterosexuality also has its history. Ain't nothing natural about it.... no more or less than homosexuality. That's right sugar... Perhaps rather than "ezhaar-e fazl" on this site and typing crap to make yourself feel good, or rather than getting all your fazaayel from crappy TV shows, you folks should go grab a book on the history of sexuality and learn a thing or two about your own sexuality, which goes unquestioned. What't the matter? You don't wanna know cuz you ain't certain about this normative sexuality you have assumed to be THE natural desire? Is it scary to know that the "origin" has not been the "origin" all along? That the "natural" desire has always relied on the construction of its OTHER as "unnatural" to grant itself the status of "natural"? Is it too scary to question heterosexuality, of which you assume every other desire to be a derivative?
I guess there is a point where many Iroonis, despite their political positioning, get stuck. Be it the shahollahis or hezbollahis or good old liberals and leftists, they are so insecure bout their sexuality that when it comes to homosexual desire they freak out. don't get me started dude... don't get me started.

and the question of the French kiss... what a curious mind! what an original question! Seriously dude... how offensive can you get? you know what? Go fuck yourself and you'll find the answer. That's right. Try it. It might do you some good. and while you're at it, get that stick out of your ass.

There is a limit to the ignorance I can tolerate and many of the those who have commented here have demonstrated just that: arrogant ignorance. And please save the lecture on politeness and tolerance for your kids whom you hide from homos. Marg khoobeh baraaye hamsaayeh? why is that the burden of tolerance is on those who are not tolerated by the ones who preach tolerance? those of you who are embarrased to watch the gay parade: don't watch it. Go to Disneyland and watch Aladdin and the Mickey Mounse. What is embarrassing is not the parade. it is your attitude and the fact that you raise kids with such ignorance.

and to the Doctor Ruth who takes herself to be the gay people's advisor: Ms. precious, I don't find marriage sanctioned by the state to be my struggle (frankly, I am weary of the moral codes which may be imposed on queers because of this technique of disciplining docile citizens). But I am also khoshhaal for those queers who choose to get married. And you ain't in the position to tell people what to do or not to do. Feel free to go and abandon your citizenship rights granted to you as a heterosexual and let those who are denied the same rights to decide if they choose to marry or not. khalaas.

Niloufar What a weak

Niloufar
What a weak argument! No marriage is not a human need like eating. Rather a social need. The difference? One cannot live and starve but one can live and not get married. But my point isn't that gays should want to or shouldn't get married. I can see why a couple would want to formalize their union. What I'm saying is why would gays want to formalize their union under hetersexual institutions that not only have rejected gays, but has used them as a political tool. Not to mention that heterosexual marriage philosphy is based on religions that will never accept gays. Why not create institutions of their own? By the way, this has nothing to do with gay rights. Gays could fight to get recognized under tax laws and other things as couples.

Souri
The Montreal parade is one of the worst ever. I've had the misfortune of being the victim of it one time. Quel catastrophe!
There is so much drugs and unprotected sex and completely insane behaviour that it makes one wonder why some people can't understand why other people cannot accpet gays. I'm gay friendly but those events make me doubt the gay communitiy's self respect (I hate that expression but I don't know what else to call it). If I were gay, and trying to establish myself, I would be very embarassed by these parades. But hey, one day out of a year hasn't killed anyone I know...yet.

Item of interest:
There's a news item on cnn.com about the anatomy of they gay and straight brains. Very interesting.

NC has to go staighten her hair! Ta ta

Actually, NP the front line of the Gay Rights Movement was VERY

anti-marriage.  They saw themselves as iconoclasts, and as a persecuted minority, they wanted to reshape society, make it over.  And so they were against the institution of marriage (even for heterosexuals). They questioned it.  They were very radical.  That was in the '60's and 70's, and on into the 80s even though everyone else was getting yuppified by the globalization.  They HAD to be activists. They had to survive, get funding for medical research, etc. (There was almost NONE for quite some time and they were dropping like flies).  And so there's been a big shift between those early radical days and what you see today. And in the end they're just moving with the Zeitgeist in a way.  EVERYONE wants to fit in these days.

And well you know, if they want to get married...why not? Actually gay marriage has many CRUCIAL benefits especially for gay males. You can be on your partner's health insurance, you can be the next of kin to decide what happens if your partner gets sick, even if you have to pull the plug (a VERY real possibility in the gay male community), ypu can inherit your partner's estate if (s)he dies.  And pf course it is easier to adopt children, and many gays make wonderful parents.  So they want all these things that they deserve and that society provides for straight people.

And so yes and no.  In the early days of the Movement, they did not want to get married.  But then again, AIDS stopped them from being promiscuous, which SO many had been, VERY MUCH SO, you cannot begin to imagine, and they learned to forge monogamous relationships and one things leads to another..

Three of my closest friends are gay and they're all HIV positive, and life is hell for them really in so many ways.  I've known them all for almost thirty years.  And come to think of it, my closest one moved to LA with his partner (also HIV positive).  I wonder if they'll get married.  They have property, they have this health issue, it's the best pragmatic decision for them. Even though my friend DETESTS the institution of marriage.  Always has, always will.  But I bet you dollars to donuts they'll get married soon.

Now Bay Area, that's another story.  It's a hodgepodge of the old activism and the new trends. New York, where I live, no longer is.  It is squeaky clean with globalization and so are most of the people in it.  These are Starbucks times.

And anyway of course I'm generalizing.  But what else can I do?  I think in clumps.  Don't we all?

Rosie

getting gays

perhaps marriage is more a human need rather than just a heterosexual one zanincanadai? You know, like gays also want to eat, have sex or get an education. So they want to get married too.

N.zanin jan

About that parade every year, I give you all the credit; this is so embarrassing ! I don' t know about other places, but here in Montreal, they go too far. I always prevent my children from going out on that day, even don't like they watch the news on the TV.

PS Parsi,

The dogs of love.  The dogs of war.

And all is fair

in love

and war.

Rosie

I'm sorry but I still don't

I'm sorry but I still don't get gays. Imagine if you were straight, in case you're not. Then, imagine you live in a world where not only are most people gay, but they discriminate against you because you're straight. Some of your straight friends get denied jobs. Others have even been beaten. You've done everything in your power to get equal rights. Heck, you even have an embarassing parade once a year.

Do you think you'd want to join the gay establishment for marriage????

Not me. I'd come up with my own ceremony. Even with my own institution. Something like, Organization for Heterosexual Empowerment. Or, Heterosexual Marriage Institution. Complete with certificate and all...

On a different note, I'm curious about the french kiss thing too. How does that work? Wow, technical issues I never thought of.

Rosie jan

I'd already read your blog about "google" ..actually I only comment  a third of all the blogs I read in a day. I had nothign to say about that, so just read and thanks for the info.

Love you;

and have a great vac. by the way..

No, Souri, we're all just kidding around with Mehdi. Your

English gets better every day.  I'm proud of you!! But of course it takes time to catch the nuances.

I had an idea.  I think you said you want to practice your English???  I'm dying to go back to my Persian.  It's been three years.  I even wrote a blog on it trying to find someone in NY but no success. I was thinking, if the phone rates between US and Canada are the same as domestic, we could do an exchange over the phone.  It's just an idea.  Think about it,. 

I'd like to see the article.  Of course the whole topic is googleable, but...so much googling these days for me.  I'd rather have the article.  Oh and speaking of google, check out my last blog on google and this website.  I spent a million years on it and it's unfeatured.  Ah well. It is NOT serious, it's a satire.  The only part that's serious is the message, that we're VERY high-ranking on google and we need to remember that people all over the world come to this website.

Later,

R.

Rosie

I had read an article (can' t find the source now) which said that the scientific have proved that homosexuality exist also between animals !

And I am sure about what I'd read. this was long time ago, but I may find that article and bring it for you. As to Mehdi' s comment, I believe he is sarcastic here, why everybody take him so seriously ?

EDS

Are you teasing me about my flag....:-)

Let me see... what other flag looks like the one you describe....hmmm

I remember when we first were dating and I was trying to impress my husband... I would seek out Iranian songs or Persian artifacts for his birthday or No Ruz... little circes for him to enjoy.  I wasn't all that familiar with E-Bay and certainly not with Iran's past and current regimes to know the difference... and I got him a flag.  I was soooo proud of myself... this sucker was as big as our living room wall... it was a friggin BEDSPREAD...and he was heartbroken to have to explain the difference between the "old" flag and the new Islamic flag...lol. 

I could tell you what he did with it...he's rather fond of showing his respect to the republic in his own special way...but that's his story to tell...lol.

Yes, I know, Parsi.Druids are also very fond of trees and/.ps jj

the Oracle of Delphi was married to a hole in the ground. Mehdi's dog CANNOT write. Only paw prints. And yes, homosexuality does exist in animals and also I've had many a poodle hump my leg.  And have you ever seen the chimpanzees in the zoo?  Peeling their bananas day and night, night and day. Animal sexuality can be AS diverse as human.  After all we're part animal and part angel, aren't we?  With VERY little in between.

What do YOU think about all this, Jahanshah?  Especially the last part.  It troubles me sometimes, you know?

Rosie

Rosie

Am waiting for Mehdi's dog to write in to let us know about her (his?) preference!

Seriously though: some women are married to trees in India.

Btw, I remember seeing a documentary about homosexuality (and such 'marriage') among several animal species from birds to dogs etc. 

Mehdi, if I may be so bold as to venture a reply... PS Parsi

Now JJ knows a bit about this.  Ask him about Candy and I'm sure he will tell you.  I myself had two male cats that I was in love with but they died  So your short post raises several issues:

Is your dog male or female?  You didn't specify.  And do you realize that your dog will almost certainly die long before you will and then you will be a widower.  Another problem:  I dearly hope it's a Great Dane or at least a German Shepard because if it's a poodle or a chihuahua you will  be sorely disappointed when you attempt to consummate your nuptials.  Another problem is that zoophilia breeds zoonoses (I just googled it).  It is the transmission of many, often terrible diseases, so be sure to use a condom. You can call it a doggie bag if you like.

And finally, yoir dog is an animal and homosexual men and women are human.  There is no comparison.  Dogs can't vote, read, or become citizens.  If you want to have a marriage ceremony you can do it, but it can't be legal, civil or otherwise.  Maybe your veterinarian can preside.  Nevertheless, strongly suggest you marry a human, not a dog. Either sex will do, especially in your case since your sexual proclivities seem rather...elastic...and you never know until you try,

Good luck,

Rosie

PS Parsi, forget about the tree.  That's for Mehdi's dog to make wee-wee.

the dogs of love!

Mehdi,

now you mention it, I am kind of attached to my computer... :)

And there are people who marry Jesus, trees etc! 

Mehdi jan

Please do not do this. You will be very unhappy. I hear they are bitchy ALL the time.

When can I marry my dog?

We are really in love and we get along very well. We've been living together for 5 years now. It is so painful that the law doesn't recognize our love. Do you think one day my sexual preference will also be respected? Isn't this really just discrimination?

DK I can't believe you answered me! You haven't answered.../All

me since November except once to tell me how to spell your name.  This is TRULY a great day for Rosie!

ALL:  Yep.  I changed my mind.  I just may hog the blog.  Ot not.  Who knows?

A little silliness never hurt anyone.  Just like the old days...the days of wine and roses.....