Gulamhusein

Bavafa

In our modern days, we can easily go back to 1953. 

With all due respect. Iran did not "suffer" 1/100 of this under the Shah. Most of that was whining by the Islamists and Marxists. I was there and I saw it myself.

 I have no issue with solving our problems first.  But that does not make it OK to turn a blind eye to all other atrociteis around the world, specially a country that is constantly treating to bomb Iran.  Their treat to bomb Iran is and should be our business.

I think AO already replied to you in his post. I have nothing to add.

Bavafa, I agree

We should be concerned about the plight of all the oppressed people in the world.  With that in mind, and in order to prove that you mean what you claim, and you're not just shedding crocodile tears for the Palestinians to further IRI's propaganda goals, can you please point us to all the material, comments, news posting and blogs that you have done regarding the following subjects of human suffering and / or oppression:

1) Darfur;

2) Tibet;

3) Shiite's in Saudi Arabia;

4) War lordism and chaos in Somalia;

5) The earthquake in Haiti;

6) Oppression in Cuba;

7) Hugo Chavez's closing of opposition newspapers and TV stations in Venezuela;

8) Russia's massacres in Chechnya;

9) Turkey's oppression and murder of its Kurdish minority;

We will be anxiously waiting.  Thank you. 

VPOK: Iran has been suffering far longer then 30 years.

In our modern days, we can easily go back to 1953.  I have no issue with solving our problems first.  But that does not make it OK to turn a blind eye to all other atrociteis around the world, specially a country that is constantly treating to bomb Iran.  Their treat to bomb Iran is and should be our business.

Mehrdad

Bavafa

PAre you insinuating being Iranian should limit one to care only about Iran?

Yes. Iran has been suffering for 30+ years. Once we solve that problem; when Iran is prosperous then worry about others. 

As they say "Kal agar tabib boody sareh khod dava nemoodi". 

VPOK:

PAre you insinuating being Iranian should limit one to care only about Iran?

What a great way to have a discussion. Name calling huh?

Also, I assure you I was not angry just stated what seemed to me to be the case and I said it respectfully. Don't forget, you called me a lair despite hardly knowing anything about me. Isn't that a case?

Yes it is known as Taqiyya. Maybe you really don't know Shiite Islam :-)

Well, I am going have to look that up as that is the first I am hearing of it. But you are getting one thing right, I don't much about Islam or any other religion for that matter. The only thing I know fairly sure about Islam, Christianity, Judaism and all other religion as they preach what they don't practice. All of them talk about peace and they kill more in the name of religion then any other murder or sociopath.

Mehrdad

Bavafa

Do I ask/criticize you why you don't write about Palestinians or any
other group for that matter? No, that is your prerogative.

Go ahead. I am an Iranian. I am interested in Iran not Palestine. You have your response. 

If you can
not respect what I should care about and what I shouldn't then you have no room to advocate democracy in Iran or any where.

You are confusing disagreement with repression. I am all for your right to worry about Palestine. I have never flagged you or anyone. I did not ask for you to stop posting. I did not ask to have you banned. I just question your priorities and disagree with them. The basis of democracy is disagreement do you agree.

Should I make a point on informing 'jenabe alee' every time I write about IRI just to satisfy 'jenabe ali' that I am as concern about Iranians? Sorry no. You have already made you mind that if any one is against Israel or pro Palestinians, then he/she is pro IRI. Honestly and respectfully, if one is that dumb, I can't help him.

I see. Your response to a question is to get angry and call me "dumb". What a great way to have a discussion. Name calling huh? 

BTW, when you came to that belief, did you think if it is normal and customary in Islam's teaching for a Muslim to pretend they are atheist.

Yes it is known as Taqiyya. Maybe you really don't know Shiite Islam :-)

VPOK:

Why don't you ever write about their problems?

Do I ask/criticize you why you don't write about Palestinians or any other group for that matter? No, that is your prerogative. If you can not respect what I should care about and what I shouldn't then you have no room to advocate democracy in Iran or any where.

How about worrying about Iranians who are getting raped today?

Should I make a point on informing 'jenabe alee' every time I write about IRI just to satisfy 'jenabe ali' that I am as concern about Iranians? Sorry no. You have already made you mind that if any one is against Israel or pro Palestinians, then he/she is pro IRI. Honestly and respectfully, if one is that dumb, I can't help him.

I don't believe you are an atheist.

Oh, please don't say… it would mean so much to me if you believe it. Tonight when I am doing my however many rooket namaz, I will pray that you believe me. BTW, when you came to that belief, did you think if it is normal and customary in Islam's teaching for a Muslim to pretend they are atheist.

Mehrdad

Bavafa

As in your case also, we may look to have a hatred for another group but that is hardly the case. But I can probably express the feeling of "hate" when it comes to the way Palestinians are treated and will find any opportunity to speak up against that treatment and the occupation of their homes. 

I don't hate Tibetans; Sudanese and so on do you? Why don't you ever write about their problems? My interest is in Iran not in any other nation. Do I feel for the Palestinians: yes. But no more than for any other oppressed group. Why is it that so many people on IC are so obsessed with the Palestinian issue! 

How about worrying about Iranians who are getting raped today. What about all those Iranians getting hanged. 

You and the other Palestinian advocates keep talking about Iran. But you only show real care for Palestinians.

I don't believe you are an atheist. I think you are hard core Muslim and that is why you are obsessed with Palestinians. 

COP, I am so glad you

COP,

I am so glad you are not one of the probably majority of Iranians who hate (and I agree hate is such strong word) Arabs. But growing up in Iran, most of us hated Arabs and thought of Iranians as much better people. And I think it would not be an overstatement to say that about most Iranians.

However I was wondering what is their "peace-loving religion" that I embrace, as you are suggesting?

I have been an atheist as long as I can remember, I worshiped mountaineering for most of my adulthood and now I enjoy flying which apparently give AO a case to worry about. During my climbing years, I climbed with two friends that were Jewish from Israel. When he held the other end of the rope, it was my life that he was holding and that was the case when I was belaying.

As in your case also, we may look to have a hatred for another group but that is hardly the case. But I can probably express the feeling of "hate" when it comes to the way Palestinians are treated and will find any opportunity to speak up against that treatment and the occupation of their homes. That feeling exist just as well for the Iranians inside Iran and the treatment they are receiving from their government.

Mehrdad

COP

Being on Iranian.com for a couple of years now, I have realized that we have a few users who call themselves Iranian, but are obsessed with the Israeli / Palestinian conflict.  I think there are several reasons for this.  The first, and most obvious one, is that they may not be Iranians at all.  We know that the IRI uses Lebanese Hezbollah thugs for all kinds of things, including beating and killing Iranians, so why not use them for propaganda purposes as well?

Second, I think a lot of them are old lefties who really don't give a monkey's ass about the plight of the Palestinians, but are rather eager to start a war with the "west" through Israel and just get the whole thing over with (the whole thing meaning the Iranian people, who are these pesky little obstacles in their quest to annihilate the "imperialists").  To them, the Palestinians are propaganda tools, just like...well, the Iranian people during the war with Iraq. More pictures of dead bodies = better propaganda.  After all, have you ever seen these characters talk about Russia's atrocities in Chechnya and the more than one million Afghanis that Russia killed during its occupation of Afghanistan?  It's actually pretty funny.  One of them told me not too long ago on this site that the whole Russian invasion of Afghanistan was ancient history, never mind that it happened less than twenty years ago.  The same person (and others like her) will go back 60 years and will count every Palestinian that had a scratch after falling off his bike in Ramallah.  Again, not that they care about the Palestinians, but it's just good propaganda.

The third class of these creatures are the real messianic ones, who just like the loony fundamentalists in the U.S., want to see apocalypse on the plains of Armageddon.  Those are the really scary ones.  I just hope that our friend Mehrdad is not one of them, as it seems that he has access to an airplane. :-)))

Mehrdad

Perhaps you do not know, but I don't hate Arabs. You'll be surprized if you knew who owned  the company I work for. 

And FYI, the Arabs dislike (hate is such strong emotion) Persians (you are Persian, ain't ya?) a lot more than we dislike them.

After all, we , I mean you, embrace their peace-loving religion, No?

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COP:

Of course there is, only you would like it to be focus only on Iranians and no one else, specially if the other is Arab, given our long collective hatred towards Arabs, right?

And to be fair, the suffering that Iranians are enduring are no comparison to the people of Gaza. We are being oppressed by our own government/people were as in Palestine is another nation that is inflicting the pain. Nevertheless, both IRI and the fascist regime in Israel need to be condemned and exposed.

Mehrdad

Wish you people had this kind of zeal

for your fellow Iranians....

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