If Israel vanished tomorrow

Fred
by Fred
12-Sep-2010
 

During the last U.S. presidential campaign a longtime friend of mine had become obsessed with then candidate Obama.  She could never stop talking about how once in the White House he would fix most everything starting with the mess in the Middle East.

The other day I was having a conversation with her when out of the blue for failing to deliver on his promise to rein in the Israelis she began venting her frustration with President Obama. She said, and I’m paraphrasing; but of course there would be peace in the ME if Israel was not there to begin with.

Since I know she is not alone in thinking this way, I like to pose three questions:

1-Is she right?

2-Historically speaking how accurate is she, that is, was everything in the ME hunky-dory prior to the reestablishment of the modern state of Israel? 

3-Lets assume Israel or her much used alias, Zionism, has magically disappeared.  Wouldn’t that intensify the historical Anti- Iranian sentiment of the lovely Arab neighbors with long tradition of needing a unifying enemy?

4-Besides Israel what other regional country could be classified as Iran’s strategic ally?  

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Reality-Bites

If Israel vanished tomorrow

by Reality-Bites on

the number of articles on iranian.com would drop by 70%.......(and those forever obsessed by Israel would resort to therapy to fill the new void in their lives).


divaneh

She is dreaming

by divaneh on

Q 1: There would be no change, but piece could be achieved by turning all mosques, churches and synagogues to discos.

Q2: It wasn't bad, but only because Europeans were busy fighting each other.

Q3: No, we could unify with them against the common enemy, the Human Rights activists.

Q4: Nakhon Angosht Man.

 


default

At least a century of

by IranMilitaryForum.net on

peace will follow.  The Zio-fascist entity is what it is! we do eliminate criminals in societies to create peace don't we? That does not mean there is no other criminals does it? In medicine the same follows, cancerous glands are removed even though the chance of another is not necesserily eliminated. But cancer is delt with so should the Zio-fascist state!

;-)


AMIR1973

Islamist delusions

by AMIR1973 on

Iran will be the power house of ME

With a GDP per capita (PPP) lower than that of Botswana or Gabon and fewer export earnings than Angola (a country with one-fourth IRI's population), the IRI won't even be a "power house" of aftabeh production, let alone of anything else. The Islamist animals who saw Emam's face in the moon in November 1978; who sent 12 year-old boys to walk on land mines; and who stone women to death have "minds" filled with psychotic delusions, garbage, and not much else. Cheers  :-) 


AMIR1973

Roozbeh Gilani,

by AMIR1973 on

Could it be that it's so close to the hearts and minds of every overt and covert Islamist on this site as it is considered to be the last subject of distraction from the appaling state of Iran under islamist rule?

I would say that it is the first subject of (attempted) distraction by Islamists on this site and around the world. Do they even know or care that Sudan has killed a far greater number of Muslims in Darfur in the past few years than Israel has? It seems that Muslim lives are cheap when they are taken by other Muslims.


Genghis Khan

#4

by Genghis Khan on

Besides Israel, Armenia can be considered a strategic ally.

If my body dies, let my body die, but do not let my country die.


Shazde Asdola Mirza

Answers? to Questions!

by Shazde Asdola Mirza on

1-Is she right?

Women always are!

2-Historically speaking how accurate is she, that is, was everything in the ME hunky-dory prior to the reestablishment of the modern state of Israel?

You bet! For example, Persia and Ottamons only fought for 400 years!

3-Lets assume Israel or her much used alias, Zionism, has magically disappeared.  Wouldn’t that intensify the historical Anti- Iranian sentiment of the lovely Arab neighbors with long tradition of needing a unifying enemy?

Don't think so ... even with Israel, we love Arabs and they love us. Just look at the 8 years of Iran-Iraq loving! 

4-Besides Israel what other regional country could be classified as Iran’s strategic ally?

Borkina Faso, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Hamas, Hezbollah, Afghanestan.

PS: I need an A in this course ... please mark generously ;-)


Roozbeh_Gilani

I still dont see relevance of the Israel/arab conflict to Iran

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

Could it be that it's so close to the hearts and minds of every overt and covert Islamist on this site as it is considered to be the last subject of distraction from the appaling state of Iran under islamist rule?

Sure, it invokes some discussions here on iranian.com amongst expats. But certainly far from the highest on the priority list for an unemployed Iranian worker, unable to feed, cloth or house his family in the oil rich hell of Islamist so called republic of Iran.


Fred

Dr. Strangelove

by Fred on

It might be an impossiblity for the Islamists to think of Iranian national interests first and foremost which requires leaving their infamous Islamist morality out of the calcultions.
Then again the clueless Bazargan wannabes were never into those kinds of calculations. Charlatan Ali Shariati was not into that kind of thinking either.
BTW, Dr, Strangelove's ammature try to assign a "discovery" to this short blog  is as Islamistly as the understanding he has of what a democratic Iran would do.


Mammad

New Spin

by Mammad on

So, Israel was created so that "the historical Anti- Iranian sentiment of the
lovely Arab neighbors with long tradition of needing a unifying enemy" would not intensify? That is the discovery of the century!

Israel as a strategic ally of Iran? You mean an ally

in occupying other people's lands, destroying their homes, conficating their orchards, and stealing their water resources [55% of drinking water of Israel comes from the West Bank and the Golan Heights] and historical heritage to build colonial settlements?

in raising hundreds of check points in the West bank so that if a Palestinian wants to go from one village to another he/she has to go through the humiliation, or a pregnant Palestinian woman go through the same just to reach a hospital?

in setting up what Jimmy Carter called an apatrheid state?

in constantly trying to occupy southern Lebanon so that it can use the water from Litani River [read what Ben Gurion and leaders after him have said about where Israel's border with Lebanon should be]?

in creating the largest open air jail in the world with 1.5 million "inmates"?

A future democratic Iran would not be an ally in such crimes. Thanks, but no thanks! 

Haj Mammad, the nuke lover!

 


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inevitable end

by I Voted Ahmadinejad on

Israel as an administration will be dismantled eventually. Iran will take the credit(Turkey, rightly realizing this, is trying to be player in that demisse)and no arabs or turkes or.....can deny it, therfore by israel collapsing, Iran will be the power house of ME.

ram jams


MOOSIRvaPIAZ

Yes and No

by MOOSIRvaPIAZ on

1-Is she right? Israel is as much to blame for all the mess as the very idea of Pax Americana. Also was it not cheney who once said that "The problem is that the good Lord didn't see fit to always put oil and gas resources where there are democratic governments." But then again, these ideas took center stage after the major arab oil embargo and the reason for that embargo? Yes you guessed right, Israel. Israel has bombed Tunisia, Egypt, Sudan,Lebanon, Palestine, , Jordan, Syria, Iraq, downed a Libyan civilian airliner, assassination campaigns throughout the world. Hard to argue FOR Israel when it does whatever it wants without much impunity. But then one could blame it on Pax Americana again and argue that America is using Israel rather than the othher way around. 

3-Lets assume Israel or her much used alias, Zionism, has magically disappeared.  Wouldn’t
that intensify the historical Anti- Iranian sentiment of the lovely
Arab neighbors with long tradition of needing a unifying enemy?

Hard to tell because the "democracy central" could still have been there as a strategic necessity. And it would keep propping up dictators after another. 

4-Besides Israel what other regional country could be classified as Iran’s strategic ally?  

Frankly, I'm not sure Israel of today is a strategic ally of Iran. Lets assume Iran and Israel are friends today.  Their  hawkish policies on everything is detrimental to Iranian interests in the region. You cant piss off all the Arab countries surrounding you and be able to get it away with it indefinitely. You will have to be pragmatic. If Israel gets off their high horse and finally give Palestinians some land, then maybe it might work.

 


And before you blame me on singling out west and ignoring Iran's ills, I wou;d say that Iran has its share of blame but the history of modern iran is mostly of passivity, and their share of blame is dwarfed in comparison to what others have done. 


Souri

Good questions

by Souri on

1-Is she right? In a high percentage, yes!


2-Historically speaking how accurate is she, that is, was everything in the ME hunky-dory prior to the reestablishment of the modern state of Israel?

This question should be asked differently. Of course each era has its own history of struggle depending on the political situation of that era. So the answer might be no, or yes, depending on how you would ask this question.


3-Lets assume Israel or her much used alias, Zionism, has magically disappeared.  Wouldn’t that intensify the historical Anti- Iranian sentiment of the lovely Arab neighbors with long tradition of needing a unifying enemy?

Not at all! What you call the "Anti-Iranian sentiment of the lovely Arab neighbors" is "History" as you rightfully called it so! If Israel moves out of the ME,  that old Iran-Arab animosity will be dissipated more quickly.

4-Besides Israel what other regional country could be classified as Iran’s strategic ally? 

We don't know yet. Only the CIA knows that!

You must ask the question from them.



John

Sargord, we don't care who Fred is

by John on

Perhaps you could sell your sleuthing abilities to the secret police of whichever country you are living in, but I seriously doubt whether any of the readers of this web site care whether Fred is one or one hundred people.


Roozbeh_Gilani

Talking of creating counting!

by Roozbeh_Gilani on

If I may Fred, add one more question to your excellent blog:

5) In the absence of Zionism and Israel, who'd Fred be accused of working for by his "ususal admirers" on Iranian.com?


Sargord Pirouz

"Fred" writing "Type AB"

by Sargord Pirouz on

"Fred" writing "Type AB." The reason I've reverted to this classification is based on the numerous writing flaws. There are problems with tense, punctuation, etc.

It's interesting, I don't think an Israeli would refer to "Zionism" as an alias. That is sort of like referring to "America" as an alias of the United States. But, you never know. From the writing and grammar problems with this writing type, it's fairly obvious this writer lacks a college education, so anything is possible.

Question number 4 is cute. As if the artificial construct were not enough, a strawman is provided in the form of a question, numbering a fourth question where three were previously identified.


Fred

comrade

by Fred on

To know where the creative counting originates, I refer you to the next posted blog.

Take care.


comrade

Off topic

by comrade on

It won't be long, I assume, before your "usual admirer" dropping by to remind all types of Fred that there are four questions instead of three:

"Can't you filthy Zionists count?", or something like that...

 

Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.