Who is behind it?


by fozolie

Let's pose the question who is organizing the Green Protests outside Iran? I attended the London protests in solidarity with Iranian people and in the belief that the least Iranians outside can do is highlight their plight and expose the murderous clampdown in Iran.  Let me say from the outset that I respected the wishes of the young men who were organizing the protests, such as not display the national Iranian flag and avoid direct insults to Akhoond Khameneie. 

All the announcements I had seen, spoke of non partisan movement for democracy but in practice the organizers seemed to have a different agenda which was to keep the protests within the current Islamic Republic framework. I am not naturally a writer so forgive the musings of a scattered brain. The principle observations were as follows:

1. Quite a few of the organizers had come over from Iran and did not speak English. Where did the financing, or at least where did it initially, come from?

2. They were adamant that nothing other than Green material should be distributed or displayed. Before people jump up to their defence and their rights, the above specifically refers to distribution of pamphlets outside the enclosure for protesters opposite the embassy.

3. They were very quick to use the police to deter non-Greens accusing the latter of fomenting trouble (there was an Iranian British Policewoman present as interpreters for the Persian speaking organizers).

In conversations with the Pesians speaking policewoman she also confirmed that the organizers had come from Iran right after the election and many of them did not speak English which is partly why she was present. 

I observed behaviour which did not correspond with a non partisan and inclusive protest. It was a feeling that I found a number of people, who were simply there in solidarity and were not politically motivated, shared. Most had withdrawn to the sidelines or behind in Hyde Park which in itself caused a problem with the police who in the end left them alone as they were doing no harm but did not want to stand with the Greens.  In one instance a few of us had to intercede when one of the organizers tried to bully and old man from distributing his leaflets outside the barricaded Green area. The old man gave me one of his leaflets which was not my cup of tea but I don't see what harm he was doing.

The people in Iran will are the ones making the sacrifice and since they are the ones suffering if they decide the best they may end up with is an 'honest' Islamic Republic so be it. They are entitled to make their own mistakes and most of what is said outside is "lengesh kon" as we say in Persian or playing Monday morning quarterbackPersonally I am suspicious of being asked to shut up for unity. That is very dangerous, very dangerous indeed, so I would like some answers to these questions.

Hadi Khorsandi's expresses it better than I can:  

جنبش سبز و خفقان آدميت

هادی خرسندی

"تن آدمی شريف است به جان آدميت"
نه همان نوار سبز است نشان آدميت

اگر آدمی به رنگ است و لباس و کله‌ی گچ
چه ميان مانکن ها و ميان آدميت

نه به پرچمی بده گير و نه رنگ را جدا کن
و بدان که رنگرنگست روان آدميت

تو نگو در اين شرايط همگان شوند يکسان
که به قالبی نگنجد همگان آدميت

تو که پشت هم بگوئی سخن از دموکراسی
مگذار چيره گردد خفقان آدميت

همه يکصدا وليکن مشو غافل از حقيقت
که هزار لهجه باشد به زبان آدميت

نه بگير خرده بر آن که به خود نبسته سبزی
نه هر آنکه بسته بنشان سر خوان آدميت

تو نه مبصر کلاسی و نه ناظم دبستان
تو نه ژاندارم سبزی نه آجان آدميت

چه خوشست سبز بودن به ميان جمع و جنبش
که گشاده سبزه‌زاريست جهان آدميت

چو نشان سبز بينی به ميان آستينی
نه يقين کنی همانست نشان آدميت

چه بسا که بدنهادی به لباس سبز اندر
نه که آدمش بگيری به گمان آدميت

کاتالوگ نگير در کف که بيابی آدمی را
چه خوشست گر بگيری پی‌ ِ آن آدميت

[اصغرآقا - سايت هادی خرسندی]


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by jamshid on

I agree.

Ari Siletz

Stronger voice now

by Ari Siletz on

Jamshid, Fozolie has already displayed integrity in seeing the advantage in separating his questions from his position statements.


Our exchange did not silence him, as you can see by his response. He reacted positively to my criticism thereby improving his ability to communicate with me and others, actually strengthening his voice in the future. Also to his credit, Fozolie did not try to indict his critic on matters unrelated to the subject of the critique: responsible communication. 


Re: Ari Seltiz

by jamshid on

Some of your recent comments remind me of the early revolutionaries "logic", which was used to keep the people in line after the revolution's success.

I still remember that logic:

Don't ask questions. Follow the trusted leaders. Do what you are told. Behave and be like us... Or else you have hurt the  "cause", and wasted our martyr's blood.

This time around, most people rightfully want to think and act different than their parent generation did 30 years ago.

Fozolie: Thank you for your observations. I encourage you to keep asking questions, of course not with the goal of sabotaging the movement, but with the goal of keeping it in line with the will of the people.

Thrity years ago, we failed to do this simple thing. We are still paying the price.


It was not my intention Ari

by fozolie on


As I said I am not naturally a writer and I should have made it clear that those points were from observing the proceedings over several protests. 

I should have posed the question later to avoid it appearing as sinister. Thanks and I accept my mistake.

Having said that my question stands as a genuine query. If it does give the impression that I am skeptical it is because we never seem to ask these questions as the outset. If it is as you say then let them be open about it.   They don't have to reveal names or details that could be used by the regime.

Suffice to say in the world where Iranians will no longer accept a Shah, or Valih Faghih or any sort of unelected guardian, "trust me" does not work any more.


Mr. Fozolie

Ari Siletz

Conditional forgiveness

by Ari Siletz on

You state:  I am not naturally a writer so forgive the musings of a scattered brain.  Absolutely forgiven on that account, but there's still the matter of putting right the damage you may have done with your self-described scattered thoughts.   For example, you state "The principle [sic] observations were as follows: Quite a few of the organizers had come over from Iran and did not speak English. Where did the financing, or at least where did it initially, come from?   The second sentence is not an observation; it is a question. Casting it as an observation may keep your reader from seeking an answer, arriving at a sinister interpretation instead of a logical conclusion.   Here's one possible logical answer (assuming your observation is accurate): These non-English speaking organizers from Iran were Green activists. They were part of what you describe as "the ones making the sacrifice."    

They were there to keep the scattered thinking of a few expatriates from increasing the number of sacrificed lives on the streets in Iran.


Good post...

by Ostaad on

Let's not forget the fact that Mousavi was, is, and will be "one of them". He's just pissed off that he got the finger from his fuhrer. That's all.