Defending Iranian Democracy

Demo Your Islam started the Wars!!!!

Yes, Yes, Yes!!! Of course, because:

My Islam: Saying no to dictating me about the Islam; Saying no to putting me to further sleep; Saying no to the social injustice; Saying no to my country's natural resources exploitation by the West; Saying no to force me to your way of life; Saying no to selling my country any junk military artillary; and  Saying no to setting up my destiny.

Your Islam: Saying yes to Western false dreams; Bending down to the first world??? orders; Saying yes to the dictated democracy; Saying yes to whatever My Islam says no.

Comprehende now??? 

while i agree on the

while i agree on the author's gripe with islam, i question his silly exercise in the petition.  also, his educational credential (doctor) should match his expertise on the subject matter; otherwise, it's just his personal opinion.  in other words, if i have a phd in architecture, i shouldn't use my phd title as a platform to rant on brain surgery.

i just like to know how many muslims this character has convinced with his three-paragraph manifesto?  if he has success, maybe he should convince child molesters to give up child molesting by informing them of its adverse effects.

What Is He Saying That IS Not Said?

Dear Pedro

I am respectfully asking as an educator and an academic to be first human and unbias. He is not saying anything new that a person from Middle East doesn't know and it is not familiar with it. He is not bringing or discussing anything new either. There is nothing  to discuss or learn from.

Yes, Islam is BS, so as the other ones.

Islam is brutal. So as the other one.

Muhammad was  a child molester, so it was Abraham and others.'Quran is a piece of Junk so as the other ones.

 Lets go and get the murderer IRI that is not new either.But what is

going on is this, he is putting another ethnic grop down as an acadmeic  and   claims some other ethnicity are inferior  to of his.

So, I am not filling the page , it is matter of principles, racism in

any shape and form is wrong if it is not stopped then do not fill

the IC pages with petition against another academic who openly

and honestly refused to help Iranian student .

 The  issue at hand is  that the same people who gave us  IRI

made us to believe the old cave man was in the moon are working

again to make sure  the next change will bear the same fruit .

Not split...

I think you are wrong, many discussions here are "internal issues", the same types of discussions that go around in each political party (but not formal). This is totally okey in a democracy.

I think the majority of us supports the "green movement", although we can have different opionions about the end product. But that is not for us to decide, we just present the alternatives and the people of Iran can vote (for type of constitution, etc etc)... But we all (more than 90 %) agree on a secular democracy which wasn't the case in 1979.

There is also a statistical issue here. There are maybe 10 people commenting on IC with a total of 3-4 different views. If we would ask 1 million iranians, or 40 million iranians then we would see that many actually agree on many topics...

replacing one hate ideology with another

As is evident by many of the comments here, we do not yet have an alternative to the clergy rule in Iran. As I have always said the Iranian opposition is the best kind of opposition any regime would wish for. I quote below the last lines of Orwell's animal farm. As in those lines, I see no distinction between the present regime and those opposing it except that the first has its pockets full and the latter is salivating at the prospect of gettings its hands on that wealth.
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...but they had not gone twenty yards when they stopped short. An uproar of voices was coming from the farmhouse. They rushed back and looked through the window again. Yes, a violent quarrel was in progress. There were shoutings, bangings on the table, sharp suspicious glances, furious denials. The source of the trouble appeared to be that Napoleon and Mr. Pilkington had each played an ace of spades simultaneously.

Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

There we go again with people who love to fill the pages.

Can you just drop the name thing. STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH. Why don't you drop him an email and discuss his integrity as an educator. If the issue at hand is too complicated for you to handle? then leave it be. Name is a name is a name. How many pages can you fill writing about a name. Sign or get out of the way. You are blocking the way for others.  

Stop Execution and torture of Iranians in Islamic regime Prisons

Dr. Mansour Rastani

Although I agree with you regarding Islam (and all other religions for that matter), but this is not the time for being anti-Islam.

The biggest priority we have today is to get rid of the mollahs. Your attack on Islam just creates division at these critical junctures. We must be smarter than this.

Wrong.

These sorts of actions don't go well with the current mission to establish a secular democracy in Iran.

It is like sneaking behind enemy lines to carry out an important mission when all of a sudden one person in the crew starts shooting and revealing everbodies position...

You Sound Racist To Me

Dr. Rastani

Last name: Mansour
Recorded in several forms including Mancer, Manser, Mansour, Mansuer, Manssuer and Mansewer, this is an Anglo-French surname, and sometimes at least of biblical (Hebrew) origins. Usually it is considered to be a 'crusader' name. That is to say a name which was brought back to northern Europe by returning soldiers from the 12th century crusades. It became the medieval fashion for biblical names to be given to the children of crusaders, in honour of their fathers attempts to free the Holy Land from the infidel. So popular was this (Christian) fashion that these names of which Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are prime examples, ultimately became (and remain) the norm in many countries for both surnames and first names, the local 'native' names being often lost to history. This is one of the rarer examples of a biblical name, the derivation being from the name 'Manasseh' meaning 'One who choses to forgive'. The name (as a first name) being recorded in England as early as 1166, when Manasserus de Danmartin is recorded in the 'Red Book of the Exchequer' for the county of Suffolk. As a surname it is about a century later, Walter Manser being recorded in the tax rolls known as 'The Fees' also for Suffolk in 1250. There is a second possible origin, and that is from the French 'manche' meaning handle, and as such describing a maker of handles for knives and swords. Recordings are rare but do include Richard le Mancher, of London, in the Subsidy Roll list of 1292.

To those who are beating around the bush

  To those who play game with names and as Pedro said it, are beating around the bush,  I just tell them what I tell my lazy students: “you haven’t done your homework”, if theyhave, they knew Islam and if they knew Islam, they Knew that:

A person is either anIranian or a Muslim but cannot be both!

Of course there can be another scenario and that they arejust the IRI supporters, which in that case I would say to them, Go To Hell.

BTW, Mansur is neither Arabic nor Islamic; it is a pure Persianname, which might have been stolen by Arabs. The proof is simple you never findMansur in Arab nation before the first Ghadesieh, just refer to the names of yourImams’ and prophet’ families.

Soosy

  It's a 50/50.I hate the bad parts of Islam.The Good parts I don't hate.Now,is that logical?

Demo Your Islam started the Wars

Thanks for pointing it out.

GR

IC is a phenomena to me .... the majority of those who posts not only hate Islam but they also hate Arabs ...... the posts I see are beyond anyone's belief .......  they are not only against an specific religion but also an specific race ....... I suspect that most of the posters are in their late 50s and up .... 

I brought up something that makes very good sense with this type of mentality ..... with people who write this type of petition and with people who sign it .......... that's all 

Younger generations are way more logical and tolerant .....

SK:

So, if you see a person by the name Hussein he must be of the Shi'a sect of Islam? And all Umars are Sunnis? What has a name got to do with one's right to renounce his religion or convert to a different one? Many Arabs would laugh at such logic. There are many Arabic words which were borrowed from Latin and have been used for centuries without most Arabic users' knowledge. Would they care, even if they knew?

Soosan joon

 
Leave the name alone, he did not choose this name. 
Stop beating around the bush. Sign, ignore or get out of the way. 

Stop Execution and torture of Iranians in Islamic regime Prisons

Soosan

.. Thae same way that your name Soosan is a variant of Susan a Hebrew name, but  Hebrew existed before Jewish religion

//www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Soosan

GR

Sorry but it is more Islamic than Arabic .......  I am pretty sure his parents were not Arab Christians to choose this name for the sake of the language alone .....  Mansur is one of the names among the 99 name given to God ....... it is an Atribute to God ....... it is as islamic as it can be .........

and besides ........ he wants the true Iranians sign it ........ how dare anyone on this petition as well as the originator chosen to do so having even an Arabic name ?

منصور

Mansour is an Arabic name and not an Islamic name! Most Muslims use Arabic names. Mohammad did not create the Arabic language. He was a prophet and not a linguist.

First Step ... Mansur

 May I suggest to change your name.... that is painfully too islamic 

Thanks  

Demo, I am talking about the mind power of a nation

  I agree that Western Powers are as much deserved to beblamed, they have also used IRI in killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan,in fact the reason for IRI to survive after 32 years is because of the WesternPowers’ continuous support for them, logistically and strategically. FurthermoreWestern Powers want to keep the third-world countries under the mentality of amoderate Islamic ideology so that they can continue plundering the naturalwealth of those countries with no obstacle.  Howeverthis subject goes to imperialism and I believe that is one of the hurdles amongother things for the people of the third-world country in their fight towardindependence and democracy.

But none of these can happen to a nation whose people are privilegedby a healthy wisdom and not an ill-will. A nation who has been brain washed for14 centuries to demote itself against its freewill for being a free nation willcertainly not be able to prevail against any kind of humiliation during its courseof history. It is the mind power of a nation that determines its fate; I havebrought the following example to your attention, which I wrote it in Persian:

 آیا تصور میکنید که ملتی با منتالیتی اسلامی تا چه میزان میتواند دررقابت های جهانی در رشته های  اقتصادی ، اجتمایی ، سیاسی و تکنولوژی و غیره شانسی داشته باشد.  شما کدام ملت با منتالیتی اسلامی را میشناسید که بتواند با کشور های جهان غرب در چنین زمینه هایی رقابت نماید. من برای شما مثالی  میزنم، در دوره شاه خیلی از کشور های خارجی  بخصوص امریکا در صنعت سازی ایران سرمایه گزاری میکردند در تمام آن مدت هیچوقت چیزی  بنام صنعت مادر در ایران ایجاد نشد و اکثر کارخانه ها دارای صنایع مونتاژی بودند و در حقیقت صنایع ذوب آهن هم چیزی بیش از دستاورد های استثماری روس نمیبود، پس از انقلاب ۵۷ و خروج سرمایه گذاری های خارجی اوضاع  صنایع ایران بخاطر عدم وجود یک مدیریت صحیح اکثرا بدتر و آنچه را هم که داشتیم به صنایع اسقاطی تبدیل گشتند . از طرفی میبینیم  پس از فروپاشی کمونیسم و اتحاد جماهیر شوروی که با تلاش دیپلماسی جهان غرب صورت گرفت، امریکا برای از پای در آوردن چین کمونیست شروع به سرمایه گزاری در آن کشور نمود ولی وقتی با کمال تحیر شاهد پیشرفت سریع اقتصادی آن کشور شد شروع به خروج سرمایه گذاری های خود کرد. تحیر امریکا وقتی بیش از پیش شد که متوجه این نکته گردید که خلا سرمایه گذاریش در چین نه تنها مایه افت اقتصادی کشور چین نشده است بلکه چون چینی ها توانسته بودند صنعت مادر را از آن خود بکنند براحتی توانستند که ترانزیشن خلا سرمایه گذران آمریکایی را پشت سر گذارده و تا آنجا در زمینه تکنولوژی پیشرفت کنند که امروزه مقام دوم اقتصادی جهان را از آن خود کنند. با قدری تأمل در این دو مثال خیلی راحت میتوان به این نکته پی پرد که چینی ها بسان ایرانیان نیستند که حسن و حسین وعلی دارند و زینب و غیره که یک ماه از وقت گرانبهای خود را برای این سینه پاره کنند وماه دیگر برای آن قمه بر سر و کمر خود زنند ودر حل مسائل صنعتی کشور از آیات آسمانی و فتوای فلان مرجع تقلید کمک گیرند، برعکس آنها تمام هم و غم خود را در جهت خدمت به مردم و کشورخود و از طریق بکارگیری از قوانین فیزیکی ساخت دست بشردر امور کشوری و صنعتی خود مورد استفاده قرار میدهند تا بتوانند به چنین درجات بالای علمی و تکنولوژی که نهایتا باعث پیشرفت و تکامل انسانی است برسند. چنین پیشرفت و ترقی را در سایر کشورهای مشابه جهان چون ژاپن و هند و سنگاپور مشاهده نمود. پس میتوان به این نتیجه رسید که برای داشتن یک ملت سالم که بتواند هم بحال خود مفید باشد و هم بحال سایر ملل دنیا، باید آدمهایی را در آن کشور داشته باشیم که دارای منتالیتی سالم باشند و این با وضع موجود ممکن نیست مگر با درپیش گرفتن مبارزه ریشه ای

Demo, Islam claims to be a religion

US, UK, and the Nato Alliance are countries and groups and NOT Religions, cult of Islam claims to be a religion and kills for that, Its strange that you can't tell the difference!  , but then again muslim applogists have used similar them-too "rational" to justify Islams crimes. If One proves that Muhamad was a child molster, Muslims will bring up another case of some low-life child molester and say, Mohamad was not the only one doing it!

چرا موافقم و امضا می کنم؟

Daneshjoo

 چرا موافقم ؟من باندازه ی آیت اله ها اسلام و قوانین آن را نمی شناسم ولیعملکرد نفرت انگیز آنها دیده و تجربه کرده ام. آنها بیش از سی سال فرصت وهمه گونه امکانات داشته اند که دانسته های خود را در قالب یک حکومت اسلامی بکار بگیرند.  حاصل کار آنها گسترش دورویی، حقه بازی، دزدی؛  تجاوز به هموطنان ما، مخالفت با ارزش های ایرانی،  کشتن آزادگان کشور ، بباد دادن ثروت های ملی؛  آواره ساختن ملیون ها ایرانی و محروم ساختن این وطن پرستان از حقوقشان،  نا دیده گرفتن حقوق زنان،  عقب گرد به عصر بیابانگردان، خوار وزبون کردن نیروی انسانی؛ و بد نام کردن ایران و ایرانی بوده است.  بعبارت دیگر آنها  همه ی آنچه را ما گرامی می داریم بخرابی و نابودی کشانده اند.

Very Well Said, Thank you Dr. Rastani

Thank you. Cult of Islam is against the rest of he humanity, as anyone can see by Muslims exploding themselves around the world every day, based on direct instructions from Quran

Escape from the "Reality"

"And I'm American,my Butt is not up in the Air and open for the Next Islamist like some of the commentor's who have shown their True Colors."

An American??? who not only can't write English correctly he/she is simply forgetting that "not Islam" but US, UK, and the Nato Alliance have committed the following crimes in Iraq & Afghanistan as it is stated in the so called petition.

'We hold Islam??? in violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
by invading other lands, enslaving people, destroying their heritage
and their way of life.'

We don't read our Quran, this is our problem!

  شریعت اسلام در بر گیرنده احکام برده داری است که در آنها، بشر، بردگان الله هستند، همه مردمان عبد ِ الله و مجبور به اطاعت از اوامر او هستند. سوره التوبه، آیه 029 : بکشید کسانی را که به الله و احکام (شریعت) او ایمان ندارند. سوره‌ التوبه، آیه 123 : بکشید کافران را از پس هم، تا جد یت و خشم شما را احساس کنند. در این آیات وظایف مسلمانان، در برخورد با دگراندیشان، روشن شده است. گسترش شریعت اسلام، از راه جهاد با دگراندیشان، از اوامریست که هر مسلمان باید به انجام آن گردن نهد. مسلمانانی که امروز خاموش و آرام به دگراندیشان می‌ نگرند، هنوز توانایی شوریدن بر آنها را ندارند. آنها هنوز به تقیه و فریب دادن نامسلمانان در کارند، هنوز با آرامش از خوشباوری یا از آزمندی جهانداران نیرو می‌ گیرند، هنوز از همزیستی با همه ادیان سخن می‌ رانند. ولی هنگامی، که زمینه جهاد برای مسلمانان فراهم شود، آنها از خون همسایه کافر خود که مهربان هم باشد، نمی‌ گذرند.

رفرماسیون: نقدِ دین اسلام و مسلکِ شیعه گری است

رفرماسیون: نقدِ دین اسلام و مسلکِ شیعه گری است

//www.iranliberal.com/SotonAzad/Karami_Reformation.htm

ناصر کرمی

True that is very strange Roozbeh

  Iranian.com has turned into a place of false identity's.

As long as Islam is in power Iran will NEVER be free

Is that statement not as simple as 2+2=4?

Is that statement not as logical as planning on the Sun rising in the morning?

If you're incapable of confronting Islam,you are incapable of a Free Iran.

Look I'm a Christian,if the Pope was running my country and torturing Political Opponents,making ridiculous religious laws that kill the 'enemies of god' and forcing me to dress a certain way because of 'Christianity' I would be in the street Burning the Bible every day.I'd be the first on the petition.

And I'm American,my Butt is not up in the Air and open for the Next Islamist like some of the commentor's who have shown their True Colors.Nor do I care what some Islamist in some other country think's of me Burning his book.I do not butt up for Islam,even If I were in the capture of the Taliban.

I don't expect any Islamist or Natural Born Muslim to sign this or be able to comprehend the value of it.I expect True Iranian's to do it.

"Doctor", I'm getting a bit worried about you!

In your last blog you urged everyone to boycut 25 Bahman demos! Now this...

I just hope that you are just a naive, out of touch prankster and nothing else....

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."