The new world order

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David ET
by David ET
20-Jan-2008
 

This is an unedited response to a featured article on Iranian.com titled Boom and Bust: It is best to read Mr. Mehrdad Emadi's good summary before reading my response: //iranian.com/main/2008/boom-bust

Good summary however I think this analysis is simply a summary of the superficial feed of the mainstream media and wall street while there are much deeper geopolitical reasons for the current financial environment, which had started long before Bush took power.

The policies of Federal Reserve Board as a governing financial power of the US and the WORLD (along with few other central banks) , baseless printing of dollar, the formation of European Union, export of US jobs abroad, End of Soviet Empire and cold war, Chinese elite's entrance to the global capitalistic market , NAFTA and many other such globalizations are the results of a major shift of dominance of FINANCIAL ELITE from US and Western Europe to a borderless global elite who also now include the Oil rich sheiks of middle east, Russians, Chinese and other billionaires who no longer see their interest in the nationalistic pursuit of capital and in competition with one another, but as one global elite who JOINTLY control the financial resources of our world.

In this path former US elite no longer feel the need to have a financial hegemony but the elite of the world will. The red, white and blue have mixed with the green, yellow and others and an American citizen is no longer more important than a Chinese or Arab as far as they are concerned. Wherever there are more opportunities to PROFIT is where THEY will be or already are! Obviously the greed will create frictions among the elite too but no longer at the cost of jeopordizing their own wealth. After all they enjoy each others company in yachts and glamerous private gatherings more than the company of the THE PEOPLE. The political and religious leaders have always been the tools of the few to control the masses and they will continue to serve their purpose or forced to be changed as needed! The Media is the new tool of the new world order and not tanks.

The matured Western economies with legal, labor and environmental restrictions no longer provide the same opportunities for the rich elite as the newly formed middle classes of South America, Asia, and Middle East and in this process we will continue to see a shift of economic power to those areas where the investor capital will also follow.

Therefore the current economic problems were not a surprise WHATSOEVER to many but an intended outcome of creating more stable and fertile worldwide grounds for new horizons for creation of wealth for a very limited few who control the financial markets of our planet and therefore in charge of the new world order.

The concept of one world government has already been formed financially and the political process is in the works too.

This is not a conspiracy theory but a factual observation based on what has already happened!. The drop in value of real estate and equities or the recession will only hurt the middle class but it does not effect the elite and actually provides opportunity for those who have unlimited cash reserve to acquire the assets of the middle class at substantial discounts, not to mention that Americans have been rubbed of the value of their assets simply by intentional Fed sponsored drop of dollar. The current US deficit and payment of interest by the tax payer to the elite is also serving as this shift of wealth from the middle class to the few.

The beneficiary of wars such as Iraq have been the elite but the ones burdening the costs will remain to be the taxpayers soon.

The next rounds of these shift will be served by increase in taxes as well as possible bail outs to be formulated by the soon to be democrat US president.

What one hears on those such as CNBC (owned by GE), the elite and corporate controlled major media may only be what they want us to hear and believe. The newly acquired wall street journal owned by Newscorp, the soon to be centralized stock market with mergers of the exchanges (eg: NYSE/AMEX ) and the formation of International Equity and Hedge Funds, the congressional approvals of the homeland security and wiretapping etc etc are all playing a role in the centralization of power at the cost of loss of individual economic and political liberties.

Yes America was beautiful!

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Rosie T.

I agree too,

by Rosie T. on

and the Internet as the voice of the people has to be seriously protected to transform it into its potential. That is why it is important to start bringing out the problems with the system (or lack thereof) into open light of discussion and scrutiny.

 

David, the first thing that has to happen with the UN is a complete overhaul of the system of the Securiy Council.


Food for Thought

I agree with David 100%

by Food for Thought on

Of all the articles and blogs I have read, yours encapsulates the vision and plans of the globalists expertly, and I agree 100% with your concept of 'UP' with the internet as the only real voice of the people; it is the only way for people to keep a modicum of control and power over their futures by sharing ideas and becoming more aware of what the 'money-men' have planned for us all through their ambitions to centralize powers through non-democratic bodies such as the UN.

Nation states, even democratic ones, are losing their autonomy as corporations take root, worldwide, at the cost of our individual liberties. That is not to say that there cannot be material benefits for some but the concept of personal liberty is one that needs to be cherished and not something anyone can afford to be complacent about.

Anyone who has not understood this point needs to be more open-minded, less ego-driven in their contributions and realise that we can only create a better future by ensuring we have checks and balances, as you put it, against too much centralization.

I highly recommend this documentary 'movie' to anyone who wants to consider how the globalists think and why it could be a threat to all people of all nations:

//www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

There is much to learn from such blogs if people keep open minds but what I find frustrating is that people seem to prefer to think that they already know it all. We can all learn by looking at things from alternative perspectives. And, when you've heard something different it can change you because you can never 'unhear' it.

So I hope some of you take the time to watch the movie link. 

F4T


David ET

UN , UG and UP !

by David ET on

UN is an United Governments (UG) entity as opposed to United Nations that it is called.

Regardless; it has its own place and purpose and must be promoted (with some modifications ) however it does represent the policies of the ruling governments of the world who  are controlled by the elite is many (not all) cases . Therefore we should be VERY cautious as to the amount of power we delegate to them. The 5 permanent members and so many corrupt governments continue to influence much of effective UN policies and its selective implementations (or lack of).

With the power of internet , I had thought of a grassroots entity called United People (UP) . It will not be in place or in opposition of the UN but a mean to give more voice to people in determining their destinies, a channel for people to voice themselves and a mean for checks and balances of true will of people vs. governments but my fear still remain with what turn it might eventually take and whether it might someday turn to a world parliament ! justifying the world governments existence and manipulated, so I chose to stay clear of that idea! 

Centralization of POWER has historically and eventually turned to dictatorships in the wrong hands therefore the power and responsibility of People must remain with them and not delegated far out of their reach. 


Rosie T.

JR, I agree,

by Rosie T. on

the UN and similar organizations is our only hope. It's not just the economy per se, it's our interdependence on global communications technologies that makes globalization here to stay. China is problematic because there is a lot of poverty and homelessness now, begging, etc. because the government is no longer fulfilling its communist promises since the new economic wave. Another major problem is that as countries like India and sectors of countries like China start to catch up with the "West" it is not sustainable. The US consumes something like 75% of the world's resources. So the centralized regulation process is going to have to include serious education to avoid rampant consumerism. There will be two opposing trends; the multi-nationals pushing consumption and the regulating bodies discouraging it. They will have to end planned obsolescence, for example. People will need to be widely educated.

Question: do you think there will be mixed economies in the future? With say nationalization of major industries in developing nations? Or do you think that is going to succumb to the multi-nationals too?

 

I do agree with David that a counter-trend to multinationals will be organizing along communal levels. This could loosely be called a more "anarchistic" model--loosely.  But do you, or David, think l there will be a place for socialism in all this or is that just a passing phase on the way to being completely colonized by multinationals? 


Jahanshah Rashidian

Rosie

by Jahanshah Rashidian on

With the collapse of the USSR, the idea of globalisation soars. Capitalist presentation of globalisation involves rapid expansion of capitalism with all socil injustice and local collaborators, corrupt or dictator.

What remains to do is to humanise the system, to reduce its lucrative and exploing nature in the favour of more social justice and democracy. It is important to use the positive sides for economical upswing of underdeveloped nations, which have no other alternative to rapidly develop.  The first steps to do so is to integrate all globalsations related investments and trades into a UN related body. The body should work for more social justice and democracy as preconditions of local globalisation. 

I think without foreign investors and technology,  It would take many decades of years before the third world can develop-- China could reach its present economical and  technology growth thanks to the economical open doors encouraged by Teng Xiao Peng, long before the Soviet collappse .  

The procedure in China has been also fast because it has not created all capitalist side effects in the society as in the West.  Now, it delivered th two digital growth- Chinise economic model despite lack of enough democracy.  


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David, 1. It's not 125

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

David,
1. It's not 125 years, but 160!
2. It's a relief you didn't call me a Zionist!
3. It's encouraging to find an all-round Iranian who knows all about politics, economics and psychology.
4. As I said, you are upset because you can't stand learning the truth about how ridiculous you sound when you think you are offering something new with regards to the "new world order."
5. I wrote, there are Iranians-you're not alone in this-who lack sufficient knowledge of the historical nature of capitalism.
6. You took the things I said and the "pasting" of the excerpts from Marx's Manifesto personally and decided to start a juvenile argument. Read your own responses again!


David ET

then stop making me yawn :D

by David ET on

Of course most of the analysis of our present is based on the knowledge of the past !!! (YAWN again)

That is what science does and that is the basis of human evolution .... But an analysis is much more valuable than the approach of the copy paste of a 125 year old writing to personally attack anyone else who might say something! 

 Dogma is Dogma (2008, 1386 or 125 years old is irrelevant) and not knowing how to communicate could be a psychological flaw in personality among many other reasons.

I never claimed that I invented anything in my article! This was simply an analysis of the present shape of the world, a world that your marx no longer lives in! It is you who seem to shut everyone else with your Marx , your behaviour and your approach to others!

It is you who chose to make this personal for whatever unknown problems that YOU have and this seem to be YOUR issue which had NOTHING to do with the article , so come out and be honest and courageous and stop hiding behind marx or a chicken or.... !

best wishes


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Stop yawning, David!

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

David,

My approach? What approach is it?

You're upset because you can't stand learning that many of the ideas you are expressing are almost two centuries old.

Go get a real life and stop yawning!


Rosie T.

There has to be a balance...

by Rosie T. on

between centralization and decentralization. Otherwise nothing will work. Such aspects as UN attempting to abolish capital punishment are good aspects of centralization. World Bank, IMF, etc. are unfair ones. And yes, it's not just about countries, smaller communities have to be included in the decentralization.


David ET

Nazok

by David ET on

I yawned at YOU and YOUR approach not Marx!

Marx deserves much credit for many of his thoughts , but he was not a marxist nor swallowed the ideas of those before him just to vomit them at others.


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Keep up the good yawn!

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

Mr. David ET,

It seems old habits are hard to break, yawning through high school years and yawning now. That's exactly what I meant by, "obstinate ignorance."

Keep up the good yawn while trying to save the world!


David ET

they are not the same

by David ET on

We should not be tricked in to giving up the powers of individual, neighborhoods, cities, states (in that order) to the central powers of the elite in the name of globalization.

Peaceful coexistence, mutual respect and understanding of one another, global communications and fair trades are much different than giving in to a centralized controlling power. 


Rosie T.

JR

by Rosie T. on

It is true. There's no turning back. As long as we are typing on computers, the global economy will prevail The whole planet is surrounded by computer satellites, one giant electronic brain. Thus we need centralizing agencies for global fairness and regulation, such as a fair UN with more "teeth." There are also decentralizing trends, such as the breakup of nations into smaller ones in Europe, and tribal entities in say Pakistan. But they are counterbalanced by consolidating forces such as the EU.The overriding arch is globalism and if it's not regulated fairly things are going to get VERY VERY ugly. Starting in 20 years when the drought hits Africa. We should really be focusing on things like desalinating sea water in preparation for that event and we just waste all our energy on power politics and greed. It is not sustainable. Without FAIR global regulatory agencies all hell is going to break loose soon.

David I am writing you a reply to your post on my KS blog.


David ET

To aka nazokbin's originalty

by David ET on

There was NOTHING in what you wrote except a copy/paste of what some of us have read in high school looong time ago and a PERSONAL ATTACK which gained this well deserved response from me:

YAWN


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"The NEW WORLD ORDER"

by Naazokbin (not verified) on

Mr. David ET,

There is absolutely nothing NEW about the current WORLD ORDER. Your article proves how little you know about the historical nature of capitalism.

Before I draw your attention to Carl Marx's brilliant dissection of the revolutionary character of capitalism or as it used to be called, the bourgeoisie, I would like you to read this quote:

"In strict confidence, I should welcome almost any war, for I think this country needs one." Theodore Roosevelt, 1897.

Now, here's what Carl Marx said in his Manifesto, 160 years ago:

"The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to allfeudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his "natural superiors", and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous "cash payment".

It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation.

It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom - Free Trade.

In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and>has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence.

It has been the first to show what man's activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes.

Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting>uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere.

The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To>the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood.

All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe.

In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations.

And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.

The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians' intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves.In one word, it creates a world after its own image.

The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. Just as it has made the country dependent on the towns, so it has made barbarian and semi-barbarian countries dependent on the civilised ones, nations of peasants on nations of>bourgeois, the East on the West.

The bourgeoisie keeps more and more doing away with the scattered state of the population, of the means of production, and of property. It has agglomerated population, centralised the means of production, and has concentrated property in a few hands. The necessary consequence of this was political centralisation. Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments, and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier, and one customs-tariff.

The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature's forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalisation of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground - what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labour?

We see then: the means of production and of exchange, on whose foundation the bourgeoisie built itself up, were generated in feudal society. At a certain stage in the development of these means of production and of exchange, the conditions under which feudal society produced and exchanged, the feudal organisation of agriculture and manufacturing industry, in one word, the feudal relations of property became no longer compatible with the already developed productive forces; they became so many fetters. They had to be burst asunder; they were burst asunder. Into their place stepped free competition, accompanied by a social and political constitution adapted in it, and the economic and political sway of the bourgeois class.

A similar movement is going on before our own eyes. Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.

For many a decade past the history of industry and commerce is but the history of the revolt of modern productive forces against modern conditions of production, against the property relations that are the conditions for the existence of the bourgeois and of its rule. It is enough to mention the commercial crises that by their periodical return put the existence of the entire bourgeois society on its trial, each time more threateningly.

In these crises, a great part not only of the existing products, but also of the previously created productive forces, are periodically destroyed. In these crises, there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity - the epidemic of over-production.

Society suddenly finds itself put back into a state of momentary barbarism; it appears as if a famine, a universal war of devastation, had cut off the supply of every means of subsistence; industry and commerce seem to be destroyed; and why? Because there is too much civilisation, too much means of subsistence, too much industry, too much commerce. The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property.

The conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created by them.

And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises?

On the one hand by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented."

The rest is the world history which you may have read or heard about!

So David,

The U.S. "imperialism" was not discovered by a bunch of disillusioned or ignorant Iranians who want to tell the rest of us that all the ills of the world are rooted in the policies of the current administratation, while enjoying the fruits of capitalism or "modern" world order in the Western world or back in Iran.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying one's life, it is the obstinate ignorance among such Iranians that is repugnant.


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J. Rashidian, do you live in

by Knowledge goood (not verified) on

J. Rashidian, do you live in some theory dream world and not in reality? (I quoted your concluding comment below). "I think we need an international institution to democratically control which partners are credible and hwo the process will be fair". I'm not picking on you, sometimes I just find comments at Nothing (supposedly) is sacred.com, hilarious, although they are written very seriously.


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Ahmadinjead's New World

by Anonymous2 (not verified) on

Ahmadinjead's New World Order:

//www.iranpressnews.com/source/035044.htm


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This was an excellent

by Anonymous3 (not verified) on

This was an excellent summary of the shifts of economic center and powers that are yet to come and change concepts such as "nation-state".

The profit margin has plateaued for most American companies and to maintain their competitive edge the already transnational corporations need new frontiers to create more consumers and markets for their products..there is only so much you can do with product diversification and differentiation in a cash cow economy.


Jahanshah Rashidian

Globalisation

by Jahanshah Rashidian on

Fair people demand from the globalisation be a part of human development with a spirit of humanity and fairness. This is the new world order due to our moral evolution.

Like it or not, we cannot stop the course of history to ban or to limit an international circulation of the capital, which as many realistically described, is not today possible without the full respect for the existence of political society.

The core institutions of a democracy such as political parties, election rules, parliamentary procedures, press freedom, and alternance in power are now demanded by any free soul.

If the "globalisers" need local teams for control over financial growth, some undemocratic states will become the credible economic partners, and this is the danger.

I think we need an international institution to democratically control which partners are credible and hwo the process will be fair.


Food for Thought

Read the article & agree with your response

by Food for Thought on

David's got a very good handle on the situation. Booms and busts are created by the elite to claw back money from the poor and middle classes when prices fall. The money-men led by the Rothschilds have cornered the market on this for generations going back to British-French wars of Napoleonic times, and now his descendents and their elite cronies have taken over the money supply in the US through the fed which they control...

And as David says, thier tool now is the mainstream media which they also control, and through it the thinking and the politics of the nation...

You might be interested in these links:

Paul Grignon's 47-minute animated presentation of "Money as Debt" tells in very simple and effective graphic terms what money is and how it is being created. It is an entertaining way to get the message out. Encourage the widest distribution and use by all groups concerned with the present unsustainable monetary system in the United States.

Very interesting in today's financial sub-prime debt crisis...

who will foot the bill?

47 minutes: //video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279&hl=en

or a five minute intro in to the broader points touched on by David:

//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4934150325840063361

which can point you in the right direction...

Enjoy - got more if you want...

F4T