Bavafa

Now folks, I present to you true case of diversionary

"FIASCO?

so forgiving about massacres are we not? "

Akhe Darveesh nokaretam, gooze be shaghighe che kar dareh?

Did you even read the blog to see what is it about or just going by headlines and making sure god forbid no one misses a beat on that fiasco… oh so sorry MASSACARES?

Mehrdad

Shepesh: with all due respect

"it is not the articles and participation on blogs in IC which is the issue with people, but the IRI mentality of diverting to Israel generally"

If we truly believe in the above statement, then what explains our participation in those diversionary blogs by most of us? Would it be irrational to think that by participating in their propaganda we are giving them a podium? Hence, the suggestion by me (in this blog) that we are more obsess to rebuff & confront some of the members (Q, NP, and you name it) then spending time on the ones that we find more relevant to our cause (links provided in my blog as a sample).

Mehrdad

Has talking about Flotilla fiasco diverted attention from IRI

FIASCO?

so forgiving about massacres are we not?

FIASCO?!....... JEEEEBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

i am sure they have taken advantage of the FIASCO and have built themselves them nuclear bombs already.

run and hide, iri is coming to get youS

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هی‌ رنگین تر می‌شه ,حالا هی‌ سوژه عوض کنین

دو زار ته گنجه بود...فرستادیم فلسطین....

بچه‌های پاپتی...قاچاق زن به دبی...

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6al6Z6hF48E&feature...

من نشسته بودم یه گوشه، داشتم نون میخوردم که دیدم شما
بند خشتک بنده رو هم باز گیر دادی نمی‌خوام بی‌ تربیتی‌ بشه،
دو
کلمه هم من برای شما نوشتم:

سالگرد انتخابات قلابیه، سالگرد بهترین جوونهای ایرانه، یک سال
دیگه به عمر کثیف اسلامی اضافه شده، یک سوم ایران در فقره، آیندهٔ مملکت و
نسل حالا و بعدی معلوم نیست و شما هنوز لینک بلاگ‌هایی‌ که راجع به ایرانه
میشمری. بعد به اسم آزادی قلم و مسائل جهانی‌ و حقوق انسانی‌ حالا دیگه
شما جونت به لبت رسیده و ناچاری که هی‌ راجع به فلسطین و اسرائیل نوحه و
شکایت بنویسی چون در گذشته کم نوشتی‌. ناراحت هم میشی‌ وقتی‌ ایرونیا، یعنی
هموطن‌های شما، شاکی‌ میشن.

آره آقای باوفا، شما راست میگی‌.

OKtaby

sag koocholloo:

First, thanks for clarifying your first statement. I hope you understand that with all the accusation that is going around on IC, it is hard to see who is making an honest mistake and who intends of insulting others (implying my family is Palestinians). I think I was fair to withhold judgment of what your intention was and if that is of no value to you, I respect that. Just appreciate you clarifying the original statement and no rudeness was intended.

Just a couple of quick notes/observation.

"People do not have to react to news in the same way or see things in the same way. That does not make them Agents or worse people. I do not have to beat my chest for Palestine to prove I care for human life, though I have seen several people attacked for their views on Q's blog for bringing IRI Human Rights questions into the mix"

Agreed 100%, but one often see they bring the IRI HR into the mix usually with an attach/insult which often gets replied by a counter attack/insult of the similar magnitude (counter productive for all of us I would say)

Also, my links are really to show the lack of participation about Iran related issue. Sadly a few of those are related to Iranian people/students currently being in IRI prison and need our attention.

"Gosh, interesting distinction Professor"

Don't we believe those who constantly jump into defend IRI regime when ever we bring their crimes into light as IRI supporters? Am I wrong to apply the same principal here?

"I remember your posts when you were part of Captain Ayhab's "mob" of Shah Ghollam, Kmagas etc, always attacking people like Farhad Kashani"

I do believe another mistaking identity here, those named above are on my list of "ignore and move on" group. I didn't even bother to read their spam most of the time when they were around. Although I hear they are still around only under a different ID.

Mehrdad

مرگ بر جمهوری

مرگ بر جمهوری اسلامی  و شیطانی اشغالگر ایران، تمامی‌ دست اندر
کاراناش و هوا دارانش... پیروز و آزاد باد ایران و ایرانی‌ راستین!

Mehrdad

Well I must be mistaken, I thought I read a post by you some time ago where you said you or someone you knew of/ similar about Palestinian experience (ie: personal experience). However, I am surprised by your aggressive retort. I could not give a hoot about your judgments of me, and who are you to judge decency?

You say: "And lastly, I am not accusing any one here to be an Israeli or Zionist AGENT" but your post clearly writes "they are more focused to suppress any news and info about Israel then talk about Iran. Now, if you are an Israeli supporter, at least have guts and just like the few IRI supporters state your position."

Gosh, interesting distinction Professor!

Since you are so rude with your response, let me say to you that I remember your posts when you were part of Captain Ayhab's "mob" of Shah Ghollam, Kmagas etc, always attacking people like Farhad Kashani. So now you are high and mighty with pointing fingers at people you term name-callers?

Sag koochooloo:

Care to introduce me to which of my "family/ friends have been affected personally by the Palestinian issue"

I will refrain from making any judgment about the above statement just in case of mistaking identity or an honest mistake by you. However, I would expect you to either elaborate and prove your statement to be true or make a correction here if there is any desire for decency.

And in regards the xxx person with 25 news-per-day-about Israel, it was discussed by me in other threads just in the last couple of days or so. Threads provided here: you do not need to search only click & see

"wholeheartedly agree about those named (xxx) that have only one thing in mind and I do not believe I would be out of line if I say that they (he) means to divert attention from the crimes that are being committed by IRI"

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-khorasan/bait

And lastly, I am not accusing any one here to be an Israeli or Zionist AGENT, if there was ever one existed, he has claimed to have gone to Iran just recently or finally figured that his message is falling on deaf ears. But asking if there are supporters of Israel and if so, it would be nice to state that clearly.

Mehrdad

Midwesty

People do not have to react to news in the same way or see things in the same way. That does not make them Agents or worse people. I do not have to beat my chest for Palestine to prove I care for human life, though I have seen several people attacked for their views on Q's blog for bringing IRI Human Rights questions into the mix. Mehrdad does not address bad behaviour objectively. We can all prove links to pretty shocking comments about Jews creating all World Wars, accusation of Zionists to Bahais and of racism to people like Oktaby! And even to your cruel remarks Midwesty. But going from one conflict to another does not solve anything. Please lets just move on.

SK,

We don't need to test our beliefs against any conspiracy theory. What we have witnessed right before our own eyes on IC is undeniable.

This very blog has offered several links to prove this trend.

Mehrdad

Firstly I'd like to say I think you are a good man. I know you have mentioned that your family/ friends have been affected personally by the Palestinaian issue, and I sympathise with your personal experience of suffering .

But please do not misunderstand people in IC. The people you are accusing of being Agents or Israeli supporters are not those things, and I think in your heart you know that. IRI uses the Palestinian issue as a credible “propaganda asset” to divert attention away from domestic atrocities at home. People in IC do not want this to be used to put out the fire of the reformist revolution for a Democratic Iran. There are peope here posting/ spamming news pages with ANY item about Israel to divert attention from the ever-increasing crimes IRI are committing against the innocent Iranians. I wonder why you do not bring up a certain individual who I noticed posted 25 Israeli news items almost consecutively this week! Please instead of creating more conflict have some good faith in your fellow Iranians and understand where they are coming from. 

Conspiracy Theories and the Persian Mind

 Lastly, this article is a good one. Iranians like to incriminate others who do not agree with them. I hope your accusations of supporting Israel is not aimed at Bahais, as I know certain individuals took their anger out at Bahais in their blogs and Human Being in her blog.  It is very sad. "Although blaming others can help assuage anxiety about failures, ready acceptance of conspiracy theories has also proved to be highly dysfunctional; in modern Persia it has contributed to political malaise that has sometimes precluded rational responses to internal and external crises."

Thanks Mehrdad,

I believe, as Q named them "the mob", has nothing accomplished only to push people who are traditionally on the left and center, to the right and also to solidify even further the cause of the Right resulting in gathering more blind sighted support for the radical factions of IRI.

I wonder sometimes that maybe these are "the real agents" of that faction, gathering supports by skillfully doing a bad job of criticizing IRI.

Bavafa: You are truly now

Bavafa: You are truly now insulting all of our intelligences? Are you that arrogant that you think nobody will see right through your feeble attempts at trying to stay "fair" and "unibased"? You're only deceiving yourself if you think you are remotely close to being fair.

 I always gave you the benefit of the dout but at this time you pretty much sound like Q et al. what a waste...

Mehrdad

One more thing:

There is nothing insulting about saying the truth. I did not use profanities. I did not use "fohsh" or anything of the sort. I simply stated the obvious: there are some who are IRI mouthpieces. I did not say it was you. But I have no doubt there are both official and unofficial mouthpieces of IRI on this site. 

VPK

Mehrdad

Nothing seems to convince you when you don't want to believe it but
lets give it another shot. Your very first response and blog about
Israel which you even advocate not talking about

1) You are right. Nothing will convince me that I am an Israeli agent. 

2) Do you understand the difference of a plea and a dictate? Yes I did request it and so what? Don't I have a right to make a request? Didn't you do something similar and ask people to limit their discussion to the topic of Gaza. 

The bottom line is that you have lost a lot of credibility with me. You showed your real colors which are the same as Q and the rest. Just with "kinder; gentler face". You keep repeating the same tune over and over and ..... . Go ahead say whatever you like. It is your right thanks the the evil West that you guys always oppose.

Lets see,

VPK,

Nothing seems to convince you when you don't want to believe it but lets give it another shot. Your very first response and blog about Israel which you even advocate not talking about

"My plea to patriotic Iranians is to not let the IRI mouthpieces lure you into turning IC into a Palestinian site"

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-khorasan/bait

Let me know if you don't call this insulting/name calling then I don't what it is.

Gavazn Jan:

I did not try to omit any names at least intentionally. I do believe the name calling by the opposite side has been in defense and response to the attack that some of us have received for writing about Israel retaliatory if you will. How ever, I don't agree with it and it is just as wrong. In regards to the participation, I am not sure how my "lack of capacity" is playing a role here. Just looked the links and see how many of them participated.

COP:

Neutral hopefully but fair is my goal. I know the animosity/disagreements between Q and some other members, but again to be fair, he did politely ask for those who are not interested in his blog, not to participate. Take a look and see how many just failed to do so.

I whole heartedly agree with your second point and that is very unfortunate.

Vildemose:

It is your own reputation, show me how did I cherry pick! Those links provided are from IC and all the subject matters that I could find related to Iran and had to do with freedom (really lack of it), crimes of IRI etc.

Khers jan:

Baleh ghorban, az shoma ham zekr e khair shode bood. Ba javabeton inja "Mosht nemoneh khalvar hast"

Hamsade ghadimi:

You caught me red handed, congratulations

Mehrdad

congratulations bavafa on

congratulations bavafa on your 36th contributed piece, in terms of blogs and recommeded news, on the subject of israel/gaza/palestine/iraq/aipac to the iranian.com.  not that the other 8 pieces were devoid of tackling these important issues regarding our arab and israelis brethren/foes occupying the colon of middle east.  i look forward to more contributions from you to keep this website balanced. 
//iranian.com/main/member/bavafa

میبخشید، این بلاگ درباریه چیه؟

مثل اینکه از ما هم در آان ذکر خیر شده بود...

والله اونطوری که ما سر دراوردیم، مثل اینکه این آقای فلسطینی "باوفا" ناراحت شدن که ما برای کشورشون زیاد سینه نزدیم.

لا تخاف یا حبیبی.  امشب شب جمعه است.  میریم حسینییه برای سلامتی‌ آقای خالد مشعل دعای کمیل می‌خونیم. 

Gavazan: Agreed a hundred

Gavazan: Agreed a hundred percent with your sentiments about Bavafa. The blog is biased and it's a direct personal attack and the conclusion about those people are unsubstantiated  based on cherry picking only recent comments and blogs. It's a shameless attempt at villifying those who don't care about Israeli-Palestinian issue as much as Iran's issue.

We must care about the Israeli's government  crimes on Palestinians. If we don't we become just like Palestinian activists who mostly support IRI for their own sake and care nothing about Iranians plight. Why do we  to have to choose between the two, or to have to abandon one issue for another as some have suggested in their 'chess game'? Come on people,  We can multitask and do both and sometimes not as vigorously on Palestinian issue because we are Iranians with families still living under IRI.

We can care about both countries without resorting to becoming more Catholic than the Pope.

I wonder if Palestinian activists support an armed resistance against IRI?? Anyone?

mehrdad

Are you trying to sound neutral? Well, you're not. Just look at the comments by the resident hate monger calling himself Q who "has Iran's best interest" in mind while supporting an incompetent and murderous regime. These people are comparable to the asswipe thugs in the streets of Iranian cities beating men and women before taking them to jail and raping them.

On a related note, this is the best thing that has happened to the filthy mullahs and their filthier supporters: divert attention to the upcoming anniversary of the sham elections.

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IRAN FIRST

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Bavafa

"There has been so much name calling, crying foul and specific related derogatory blogs and comments written by a handful of members"

You conveniently omit names of NP, Obama, Disenchanted, Midwesty and many others who have posted accusations such as Zionist, Racist, vatanforoosh to other posters in their blogs which have a different view. People in glasshouses don't throw stones Bafava. I have seen you calling other people names. Your name-calling against OnlyIran is legendary. 

"When you look at their participation, it is not hard to see that they are more focused to suppress any news and info about Israel then talk about Iran. Now, if you are an Israeli supporter, at least have guts and just like the few IRI supporters state your position. "

That is just your own lack of capacity to listen to others and TRY to understand their position. To call people traitor (Israeli supporter) is immature and Irooni Bazi. I posted my opinion in Q's blog with explanations and stated my position. But you go ahead and still make accusations.  What is the purpose of your blog bavafa except creating a space for more name-calling by your own mindset (we have seen Q's comment)? Is that not hypocrisy itself?

Mehrdad

What "name calling" did I do? Please show me quotes of my name callings. You are making accusations so please back them up.

Q

That is a very vicious and bitter comment. You seal your own reputation by writing comments like this. First of all, some of the people that you still insist on insulting responded to your blog about the Gaza attack as a reaction to your style of writing, which is insulting and provocative:

//iranian.com/main/blog/q/gaza-attack-news-and-open-thread

Some of the things you said:

"so-called Persian "patriots" is clearly uncomfortable talking about Israeli war crimes (or anything other than their own agenda)... Many of them are disingenuous....A smaller group is clearly just protecting Israel against criticism...hypocrisy becomes obvious is with their own conduct ... While I can respect their honesty, I think they are misguided"

You took the opportunity in your blog to insult those that do not share your point of view. Your blog was not so much about the Flotilla disaster, but a form of attack on IC people. In my opinion you deserved what you got.

Thank You for this Bavafa

First thanks for writing this blog, so that we can talk about the fascist mob without spamming the news thread.

It's corcodile tears they are shedding. It has nothing to do with Iran or Gaza. They just can't stand their rhetoric not bing the only thing we are allowed to talk about. I already showed that those very same people who claim to care about Iranians actually couldn't care less when Iranians were being murdered 150 at a time. //iranian.com/main/blog/q/mourning-murder...

The whole BS "patriotism" is just an excuse. The only people the mob cares about are themselves. Innocent civlians in Iran are only important if their sacrifices can be abused to argue the mob's bankrupt political ideology, otherwise, "human rights" be damned.