bahmani

My 2 cents

It is perfectly right to call a Ph.D. doctor. That is standard in American universities.

People do not get a Ph.D {in sciences or in humanities} for money. If you want money go into banking or economics. Some math Ph.D types do make a lot by working for financial institutions. But for most part you make very little money. My brother got his Ph.D in astrophysics and had to get a programming job. There are just not many jobs for Ph.Ds in Physics; Chemistry and so on. God help you if you study theoretical sciences then it is really hard.

Solid state physics or applies chemistry does better. But big money goes to bankers. So don't waste your time unless you really love the stuff. Much simpler ways to make money. You also don't get any respect in USA. I knew this Israeli guy who told me how shocked he was when he came here. In ME from Iran to Israel to Arab nations "Dr" gets you respect. A simple "Mohandess" gets you respect. In America $$ gets it for you!

"Where is there a composer of a symphony of any importance?"

Are you a composer or Iranian Beethoven funny man?

Do we have a college for music and dance in Iran?  How many Iranian talented singers do we have?  What about Iranian NHL hockey players?  How many Iranian English writers do we have compared to the population of Iran?!  How well do we know our own language?  How well Iranians know English, the language of communications in the world?  How well are we in communications with rest of the world?  What do Iranians who live in Iran know about other cultures? 

Let's concentrate on who we are.  What have we done?  And, what are we able to to?  Please don't give me 1 or 2 example of Iranian who has done a change.  Think of the population of Iran first. 

Important vs. piece of a trash

Important vs. piece of a trash.  Pick one.

Here's the example

//iranian.com/main/2011/sep/mostofi-avestimehr-khademhosseini-presidential-awards

What exactly did these people - or rather, their research team - discover?

That's not even being discussed, because Iranians aren't even interested in the actual work or field.

Its the fact that they got an award - from an "important" person...

 ... which makes THEM "important"...

 ... and which is the great big pay-off that all these dumb Iranian flies buzzing around some piece of sh-t are after: looking important. 

Anglophile

In case you haven't guessed, I've associated with those dumb PhD Iranians all my life.

Your idiotic worshipful attitude of them is typical of the reason why they get PhDs in the first place.

They really don't care about the particular fields they are in.

The whole point of the PhD is to get adoration from people like you.

What a waste! 

Is this kind of "evidence" you are talkig about?

Boy you are the most comdeic Iranian self-hater I have seen for years. Please don't make laugh I might p@* in my pants:

"If they truly loved their lives, they'd be nice to the people underneath them."  JK

Really? Where is your evidence?!!!

"I can well imagine some of these elitist tyrants beating their children if they don't speak French, or something like that. " JK

Evidence kiddo evience? 

LOOOOL

Better Yet

Ask their children about them!

I can well imagine some of these elitist tyrants beating their children if they don't speak French, or something like that. 

For A Second Opinion About Mostofi, Avestimehr, Khademhosseini

Ask their IRANIAN grad students about them.

If they truly loved their lives, they'd be nice to the people underneath them. 

Depressed?

Dealing with dumb narrow-minded Iranians all my life?

No, I enjoyed it!

All These Posturing Iranian PhDs

... and the world doesn't care.

I've never heard anyone say: "Geez, look at all the PhDs Iranians have gotten.

Isn't that amazing?" 

So Iranians have apparently failed at their own game: impressing others. 

In The Midst of All These Iranian MDs, PhDs, Engineers, etc.

Where is there a composer of a symphony of any importance?

Where is there an Iranian Beethoven?

There aren't any, because had Beethoven been born in Iran, his idiot Iranian parents would have pushed him to get a PhD or some other stupid piece of paper that will be forgotten as soon as he or she dies.

These guys didn't waste their times

nor could have been depressed.

 //iranian.com/main/2011/sep/mostofi-avestimehr-khademhosseini-presidential-awards

the last laugh is on you kiddo. You look and sound more depressed than all :)) 

How Many Iranians Wasted Their Time Getting PhDs...

... when they could have been doing what they really wanted to do?

Talk about depressed, look at Iranians with PhDs. 

Nice quote.

I actually like this quote: 

"Not everyone cares about the same things you do."

Also, people change, and they care differently in different period of their life. 

Anglophile

Not everyone cares about the same things you do.

(a) and (b) back ups...

(a) College graduates are not those that you know.  Perhaps, some only see debts and financially unsuccessful college graduates.  Many Harvard MBA graduates become rich.  For example, all members of class of 1988 are among rich people in the US now, and 90% of them were not able to pay their rents and didn't have rich parents.  So education matters financially.  What is the statistics for income rate of high school graduates compared to college graduates?

"The Intelligent Entrepreneur" Bill Murphy JR. 2010

(b) In my opinion most Iranians think Ph.D.s are like Sheldon in the Big Bang Theory.  In my opinion most Iranian Ph.D.s are like Raj, Raj's sister and Leonard.  Please watch TV shows and be updated about our real world. 

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory

By the way how many of you failed to get it?

Starting with Jahan Khalili  - Pretty Heavily Depressed ?

 LOL

That Golden PhD That Iranians Just Die For

Why do so many Iranians love getting PhDs?

Ans:

So they can lord it over other Iranians.

"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low."

-Sayre

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_Law

Its all about worshipping people, as usual.

Networking is a real challenge for some.

College is all about networking.  Since you have a good talent in networking it doesn't mean that others have been blessed too.

It's nice to have some back ups.  Sometimes I need a back-up too.

Some quotes to back it up....

"No man who worships education has got the best out of education... Without a gentle contempt for education no man's education is complete." - G. K. Chesterton

"The average Ph.D. Thesis is nothing but a transference of bones from one graveyard to another." - James Frank Dobie

"Colleges are places where pebbles are polished and diamonds are dimmed." - Robert G. Ingersoll

"A college degree does not lessen the length of your ears; it only conceals it." - Elbert Hubbard

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Why shouldn't we call Ph.D. a DR?

All your claim and predictions are true to a great extent.  However, your coordinating center of sensation, analysis and intellectual and nervous activity have missed the followings:

1.       People who decide to pursue their Ph.D. are not looking for money in a basic and non-sophisticated way.  They need a source of income which challenges their intellectuals and refresh their sensation and nervous system on a regular base.

2.       How motivated one must be to work 20 hours a day for five years with $18,000 income?  Only because he wants to make a change in the world that others usually do not have requirements.

3.       Ph.D. does not bring a prestige by itself.  It’s simply a degree like others.  The business part becomes real and valuable when the Ph.D. person triggers his business section of his brain which creates innovation and implementation of great ideas, which makes the world disease free and creates efficient economic and business platforms.  It’s totally different from sitting and imagining all day in order to come up with something to write.  We live in such a populated world where whoever writes something, you can find several people to read "it".

4.       Five years Ph.D. acquires a certain slavery and obedience acting attribute.  You are not able to object your supervisor’s opinion in your third or fourth year because you will lose all your accomplishment and hard work.  So Ph.D. is about dedication and tolerance.  You will learn when to be persistent and when to be quiet and smile positively.

5.       One will be more informative if he learns from statistics where 40% of Ph.D. students are not able to graduate.  That’s not certainly because of one’s intelligence because only intelligent people grant admission.  It’s because those who couldn’t complete their Ph.D.s they couldn’t generate a balance between obedience, tolerance and aggressiveness.  Success is all about right timing to act.  Certainly, there is nothing wrong with that, but it’s instructive to know that Ph.D. is not a matter of being called a Dr.  If someone calls a Ph.D. a doctor he will request something for his profitability.  That’s why we shouldn’t call Ph.D.s a DR.

Great Moments in the History of Iranians

Yeah, the invention of the PhD - or the ability of Iranians to go and get them in universities in the West - has to be one of its biggest milestones.

There should be a huge monument to this, perhaps erected somewhere in a public square in Tehran.

Perhaps we could have pilgrimages to it, to mark the importance of salvation-through-PhD. 

Very Interesting!

Yeah, why are Iranians such a bunch of show-offs with their PhD's?

Its hilarious!

And they are so concentrated in certain fields that just happen to have high positions in the Iranian social ladder.

Where is an Iranian entimologist?  

There probably aren't any, because there are no Iranian audiences that would appreciate them - so none of these show offs would go and study it. 

Aynak!

اما خودمونیما 

Aynak:

Please, Not Karl Popper! Let lamebrains like Soroush talk about KP. Personally, I have very little use for him. But, in my opinion, whether he did have a degree before he received the honorary ones does not make any difference. I don't hold people's degrees against them unless they are purchased on the Internet! Simply because I cannot decide upon whom different institutions should bestow their degrees. Anyhow, if I did not know why you were making fun the gentleman, I would not have written what I wrote. Instead of having an informative cultural discussion or cracking a few jokes on the subject presented here, you opted for a little revenge. That is not healthy, to say the least.

جنك هفتادودوملت

  Rahmanian Writes:

 "Depending on the type of degree, an Honorary Doctorate can be as good a degree one gets by attending school. "

 True.  But if you combine the type of degree with the type of school and lack of any other credentials then that becomes a deadly combination.   Karl Popper has a dozen honorary doctorates, from WELL KNOWN institutions but he also had a doctorate degree from University of Vienna.   In fact it was in recognition of Poppers contribution in critique of ideology and Marxism in particular that his reasoning caused these degrees to be granted to him.  So first he accomplishes something and then he is honored.   

"It seems that politics is playing a huge role in this uninformed debate. Learning does not necessarily have to take place within the bounds of an academic institution. There are individuals who have accomplished more outside academic institutions than many who have gone through years of academic studies. I knew a guy who never finished junior high school, but had read every book you can imagine and could talk your head off in politics, literature, art, sports, etc. I haven't seen or read anyone as well-informed as he was. Some years back, I met a 17-year-old kid who could speak 7 languages fluently and wrote a 60-page paper on world's economy in his junior year in high school. Does a degree mean anything to such individuals? I never asked them. But if it means something to someone else, so be it. By the way, I know a person who has received thousands of honorary degrees from universities all over the world. All three of them would laugh at the type of debates some supposedly intelligent Iranians get into day in and day out."

Who is to argue with that?   The question is, if someone tries to portray credibility by listing an honorary degree as his accomplishment combined with throwing names of well known people, again to boost his own credibility, then that's where you draw the line.

 In Social Science, if you have something to say and or have some  original idea or have discovered new facts through research or observation, you will be well known, particularly in this day and age were there is abundance of multicast media.

It is one thing for a Steve Jobs or many other highly accomplished people without academic credentials, who did NOT  have any interest in academics in the  formal schooling but their other accomplishment speak for their work.

By the same token, I don't think Steve Jobs would welcome an honorary doctorate anyway.   It is quite a different thing, when an  individual who supposedly  have spent a life time researching and going from university to university and have nothing to show for in terms of publication, except an honorary degree from a dubious institution. 

She is also a PhD

..... of her back parts. ;o)

//youtu.be/KX82DXvmQu4

Do I have to repeat it?

این میرفطروس عجب ککی به تنبون این مصدق چیا انداخته. حسابی‌ به خار خارک افتادن

Aynak

that sounds much better : )

by the way I really liked your analysis of the IRI PhD crowd ... that was so funny ....  

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