Are Iranian Women Amongst the most Disloyal, Self Centered Women in the World?

RE:You know what?!

First of all I am not sure what nationality you are but if not Iranian you need to learn more about our culture.
Second of all, majority of women in my family, neighbors, friends, etc... are exactly like what I and others have described. It does not matter if they are educated or not they are just like that. There is so much hate from Iranian women that any normal interaction with them is just not possible. I understand what the Iranian government has done to them, but we the men were also traumatized...
How come every almost every Iranian women who moves out of Iran first thing they do is date a non-Iranian till they get old and their biological clock is ticking then they want an Iranian men?
Again what do Iranian women bring to table?
When you live with Iranian women their money is their and therefore it goes to their own needs and their family and the husbands money goes to mortgage, cars, furniture, food, etc...and at the end of the day nothing remains for him...
Just go look around, just talk to Iranian men and women,you'll hear back exactly what I am telling you.
I have to say something though the new Generation 17-20 years are going to be good, but then they have no idea what Iranian means except Persian food.

You know what?!

I am a woman and I am not kissing anyone's a**. How many times do I have to say that there are good Iranian women out there.

It is because they are women of respect and dignity that they did not answer your questions.

They don't have to answer to you  or anyone for that fact. They are educated, refined, cultured, intelligent, self-employed and the list goes on and on.

Do you realize that when you over generalize about Iranian women that you end up including the women in your family. I certainly doubt that they deserve such comparisons.

Just read your comments and you will clearly see, why they won't give you the time of day. No one is attracted to a bitter person.

To: RezaV

Dear RezaV,
I am with you 99%, that 1% is the Muslim girls. They too have problem, the other night I ran to one of them who was just coming from a religious ceremony. We met at TGI Friday, she ended up drunk like a trash. But in general you are right the Muslim ones though tough to live with have more dignity.
Many years ago I dated this Iranian women who was a on her way to become a doctor and now I believe she is a General Surgeon, she was a Muslim with double standards for everything. Finally I caught her in New York where her sugar dady was residing, for almost two years she was cheating on me by sleeping with her White Sugar dady who was paying for her medical school.
I have lost my faith,love, trust in most Iranian girls. I have not met one honest Iranian girl.
You are so right, about them having two different sets of expectations from Iranian and non-Iranian. It is so true.
To the people who think Arjang is using different persona, You are so WRONG.
I am the same person as Anonymous2323 or Anonymous3434.
I am quite sure that sine Arjang was so brave to come out of the closet and write his first post, that he does not need to pretend to be someone else, why would he? It just does not make sense.
Are you kidding me? if you talk to any Iranian men and ask them about their opinion about Iranian women, they'll try to be a gentlemen and walk away from the question, that should be enough of an answer to you.

Anyways, I believe this is the longest thread I have ever read on this site, for one simple reason which we know all by now.

I just am so damn curious to know what an Iranian women brings on to table, and don't give me this 20 plus famous ones that a country of 70million has, its so ridiculous. All my Iranian friends who were dumb enough for national pride to marry Iranian women they look 10 to 15 years older then me, why? because they are the only bread provider, that work their a** off like a dog.And now with this economy, they work even
more...
Not Even One Iranian women dared, or has the self resepect,and dignity to answer my 16 questions!! not even one!!! that should be more then enough of an answer.

It is just a shame...

Iranian girls abroad suck(literally)

Those of you who are criticizing Arjang are either doing so because you are like the women he described and your ego was hurt, or you're an idiot who tries to get ass from such women and think kissing ass online will get you somewhere.

The truth is Iranian women in the US are terrible. You can have a great job, education, be attractive, but they will push and demand more and more, they will make a big deal out of you being a Turk, Arab Kurd or Balochi instead of Persian while at the same time spreading their legs for any sefed or kaka siah that comes along. They'll have one set of standards for Iranian men, and a completely different set for others.

Even if they're fat and ugly they'll have an "I'm the most beautiful girl in the world" attitude, even if their mothers look like cheap whores with caked on makeup and dyed blonde hair they will claim to be from a classy family, even if their dad is a sleazy businessman or cab driver they'll swear they're royalty. Even if they had enough plastic surgery to make Michael Jackson proud, they'll claim they're a natural beauty....carefully smiling so as not to crack the cake of makeup on their face.

The socalled "classy, educated" girls can be some of the worst, they tend to have very sheltered lives and can't think for themselves. They simply do what their fathers tell them and then expect a husband to take over, they're like puppies rather than women.

Then of course there is the whole matter of their mothers having taught them that the value of a man's worth is their wallet, or at least of an Iranian man.

Ironically, a lot of you idiots have bashed Islam and religious girls, and guess what? They tend to be the most normal ones, or at least they have some values. Of course they don't date and are somewhat sheltered though, but still the best of the lot.

The women that are such degenerates are a product of the pre-revolutionary mindset, they represent the excesses of a corrupt regime which led to the revolution in the first place. Those of you who dare claim Iranians used to be better, put up with the gold digging club hoppers and stfu, they're a product of a culture based on the mentality you so proudly defend.

This isn't a scientific study, I'll conduct that later on. But it is a summary of my life experience, when every Iranian woman I have met has been that way, don't act like an idiot and claim it's all subjective, maybe your views are the really subjective out of touch ones....since you know, it's all so subjective.

Q

Is a LA as bad as many say? People are always saying women are gold diggers. Also, call Iranians Tehrangels or something like that which I take it as very offensive to say about an Iranian.

There  has to be a lot great Iranians in LA too. Right?

Also, why bother with Arjang and his other alleged "personas". He is punishing himself enough with all this inner hatred.

Hatred consumes  a person and he won't be able to enjoy any of his material wealth. Also, no amount of women will make him really happy. He has to do all the healing process himself.

Wow, was that an eye opener! Thanks buddy.

That was a real eye opener. I think you deserve a medal for that piece.

BTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEPING YOUR CULTURE ALIVE IS THE ANSWER!

Westernizing/Americanizing Iranians is as bad as Arabizing/islamifying them, so stick to and keep your true Persian/Iranian culture alive amongst yourself and the Iranians around you.

WOW, SUCH BS!!!!!!!!!!!

First of all, it would seem like You're Exaggerating the situation. Just because you have met 2 or 3 Iranians like this does not in any ways mean that most are like this.

Second, I'm Iranian myself and have lived around an Iranian community in L.A for the past 4 years, and I have yet to meet an Iranian women who acts like what you describe in your article.

Almost all of them (99%) had class, values, and were pretty traditional, even though they have been living in the U.s for so long. The same goes for Iranian men who are loyal to their wifes and are succesful.

I think you're only getting your veiws from Iranian women because you keep on hanging out with the wrong ones (Which can be found in every ethnicity and nationality), Again, if you keep on hanging out with the Americanized ones who have been borned and raised here then ofcource they're not going to act Iranian/Persian, but American.

And finally, I believe you're selfhating, and you need to realize insulting Iranian women is an insult to all Iranians in general, the same goes if you insult an Iranian man.

Just stop with all these childish acts and grow up.

HAve some pride in yourself and heritage.

Long live Iran, Long live Iranians/Persians!

Re: WHAT DO IRANIAN WOMEN BRING TO TABLE?

Like I have mentioned in my previous postings, I am a owner of an IT company. So, I am constantly involved in hiring. Any recent under graduate college kid in the field of science and IT has a starting salary of 50-60k in DC-metro, that's ZERO experience.
Field of Humanities: 35-45k
I want to know how many Iranian women make over 45-50k and remember this entry level salary!it means ZERO experience,ok?

Ah,what do Iranian women bring to table? Have you not noticed that Iranian men start looking seriously old after the age of 45 like they are 60 compared to blue eyed western men of same age?

For one simple reason, because Iranian men are the only bread maker of the home. And Iranian women are the only spender of the home.They take vacation at home.

No Iranian women has even dared to answer my questions regarding: Mehrey, jahaziy, shirbah, hefty weddings in U.S, hefty expensive rings,...,
All Iranian women want is:hAgeshoon in U.S. according to U.S. laws and all the good benefits from the homeland.

hAmAton khafeh shodid,sedatoon dar nemiad va darmordeh chiz-haye diger harf mizanid=dodging the questions!!!

Norozetan Pirooz, Harozetan Norooz,
Kaveh,
p.s:Eid Mobrak is Arabic!!!!!

Interesting Article

I have to agree with TheMrs. - History speaks to the humiliation the women have gone through over the centuries. However the girls in the bars that ened up with the abusive and lazy men, that is just a genrealization, many american women are that way, they want a rich guy so they wont have to work or worry about anything. But that does not go for all us women. My b/f is half american (white) and half Iranian, He does Mechanical Construction, I detest the construction worker comment, there are contstruction workers who have degrees, but like working with their hands, who built the house you live in? and the school you attended? just because you have a degree doesn't mean anything, what matters is that you actually use your degree. 9 times out of 10 people get a degree and aren't even using it, and they either love the job they have or hate it. If I were you I'd do my homework and research better before making genralizations. It doesn't matter what race you are, it's how you were brought up and how you value yourself and your life. There are many American and Western women who behave the same way you described the Iranian women as behaving.

Continuation of: I love you Arjang

1.Born before 1970
2.Born between 1970-79
3.Born 1980 and up
4.Born in Iran
5.Born abroad
6.Left Iran below the age of 12
7.Left Iran after the age of 12
1.Born before 1970: were those Iranian women who saw the social change and the great gigantic efforts needed to move up from a dirty nihilist Islamic society to a modern open minded society, where women=men, of course that all in the time of Shah the very same dictator who only according to Amnesty International had together with his father executed only 300 people in 50 years time and there were approximately 800 to 3000 political prisoners, we need to compare the Iran of those times with Russia, U.S, France, Britten, Egypt, and Turkey(but that's another story)I just wanted to point out what made the character, personality and feminist movement of those women of whom some of the last remaining shirzans are such as: Shirin Ebadi,Mehrangiz Kar,etc... I admire those women with all my heart
2.Born between 1970-79: If born to an educated family and in Iran they themselves became someone and knew what it takes to make $1. However if the were born into religious, rich families and then later on moved to U.S, Europe or other countries we know how much they'd women up for their country. Basically they are nothing but gold diggers with no skill set. They are the ones you see in parties, not only they can't speak the language of the country they reside in, but also they have forgotten how to speak Farsi! Does it sound familiar? it does I know it does.
They are also the ones who experienced the bitterness of Iranian revolution and what it did to them, that's why they take it on us, they think we are the same as mullas oh and they all love Khatami. We call them Khatami-chi. Did you know that during the Khatami presidential term Iranian prisons were maxed up with over 70%!! That’s right and some superficial freedom of sex, food and rockenrol were given to us, and who can only understand those last three items? Iranian women. Khatami’s job was to find out who were the political oppositions from regular civilians, politicians and students, hece they were all taken to prison, killed, raped and end of story but still Iranian women who are in desperate need to show their “lengo-pacheh” are so pro-Khatami. What a shame?
But do they ever stop thinking what their fathers and brothers did for them during the 8 year war? No, only they themselves are important, hence the way they date! The definition of dating to Iranian women is: You can go out with multiple candidates at the same time as long as it takes and finally you handpick the best! and the best is the one that has more money!!!! But then what happened to LOVE? Love it at the bottom of the list of Iranian girls. If you ask one of these girls but how can you date so many people at the same time and be able to focus on ONE? They’d say every buddy does it! and with every buddy does it;here is what they mean: Hollywood does it so we do it! I mean how else and where else could they have learned how to date? we are coming from a country where these modern way of life are new to us and the only way we could have learned it was either reading books(something we Iranians don't do) or watching unrealistic American movies! The Iranian women born and raised before the revolution they discovered and learned these things based on Iranian norms, values and a bit of Western culture! But the new generation is completely clue less. Hence the high divorce percentage. Iranian girls on average date 6-11 people! who wants to be with a girl whom her personality is been influenced and shaped by 6 other guys! and nothing is new to her or has any meaning when she meets you! They have done everything before you:traveling, eating out, dancing, … Then they get to try the last resort and that's going back to old tradition! khasegari! I mean the biological time is ticking like a bomb. Her friends or momy or aunti hook her up with a poor Iranian guy, shove her up his ass, make a bebe with in the first two years, so she can stay home and not work!

Have you experienced when you date an Iranian girl and you ask her so how many guys have you been with? They get so furious, so rude so condescending! and then they say you don't ask something like that from a lady! all of a sudden they become a lady! Iranian women are the only women I know that they stay in touch with their ex boy friends and also in the serial called “friends” where ever one screws everyone!
How can you be with someone and not being allowed to know ones past?

But in reality if you ask a European, or American women, they never do such a things they are more family oriented, more devoted and extremely faithful. Oh, and they all have a job!
What is happening with our society?
How come Afghan, Lebanese, other Arab speaking nations--men and women who are culturally and economically way backward then us they stick to their own? How come?

I mean how many stories do you hear every day, that she married him for green card, she married him for money, …,and then she got a good lawyer and she divorced him…
My god 75% divorce rate????? And there are still some Iranian women that they think they are humble, loving, forgiving, professional, etc… what a bunch of non-sense.
Almost all my friends are divorced! Or I have a couple that their wives cheated on them and then they consolidated and got back together!

Baba shoma zan-ha Irani chi mikhahid?
This all has to do with you being spoiled, no skills, and no professional life!
If you were out there and you’d work hard then you’d understand where and how your men is making money and you wouldn’t want him or manipulate him to spend his money buying you couch hand bags, every time I go to a party and I see an Iranian women with a couch hand bag I know immediately she is a no buddy meaning no skills, no job, zero!

People who are educated and work hard they know buying $1000 hand bag won’t add to their intelligence or prestige.

I understand if you were a billionaire and you were to meet with Bill Gates for a business deal you’d want to come in driving a Bentley. I mean how else would Bill Gate know if you are the men, and even that in those societies people are more humble and human then Iranian women hence Bill and Malinda Gate foundation or Pier Omidyar Foundation, but we also do know very rich accomplished Iranian women, right? Have they set up any foundation, any scholarship, or helping some poor bastard? NO a BIG NO…. I have not heard of it at all.
Now I want to bring something to your attention, I am engaged and I think I look ok, I have a good educational background and I have my own IT Company staffing 45 people. Once in the year I get together with Iranian Technological forum or silicon Iran, some of you might have heard of it. All these people I mentioned come and join us as well, they only fake, lying snake mentality are the accomplished Iranian women, they do not even consider spending one dime on a poor Iranian boy or girl, or donating some money to say children of Persia! Not even one.
You know we belong to the millionaires club and we know what happens in there!
On the other side Iranian men are constantly donating or setting up charity works!
What message do you get from this? Right…

3. Iranian girls born after 1980: simple if they are still in Iran and going to university and getting a job, they will be all right, if not same as above even worse because they have learned new survival skill fighting Islamic Republic which instead of using them to make a better life for their loved ones they use it against us.
If they were shipped off to U.S, Europe or other countries under the age of 12 they are pretty much not Iranian any more, but easy to hang out, and date. They have the same mind set of a healthy European or American women.
If they were over the age of 12, only God knows what goes through their mind, not all of them are bad, but the ones who are bad, they are really bad.
One good thing about the new generation born after 1980 is they don’t ask for Mehrey they simply want you to have a home, car, 401k, and other savings and they’ll humbly share your money with you  But you don’t need to worry about Mehrey. Now if you really need to have an Iranian women, you better be a dentist or a surgeon other jobs won’t pay the expensive living you’ll have.

Have you guys been on a date with a so called professional Iranian woman where she will demand from you in the first date, what are your plans in the next 5 years. I am a doctor and I worked my butt of to be where I am today and I make over 300k a year, I want my men to make more then me!
Anyways….I shall write more….I shall catch up on this sensitive issue soon…and I will also write about Iranian men!!! Their bad and good sides.

I love you Arjang

Dear Arjang,
You might not have written the best peace of research or article on the Iranian women, but I think you and I need to start a sociological research.
You see this problem has been bothering me as well.
I do have to say, we need to classify Iranian women in different categories:
1.Born before 1970
2.Born between 1970-79
3.Born 1980 and up
4.Born in Iran
5.Born abroad
6.Left Iran below the age of 12
7.Left Iran after the age of 12
Iranian women born before 1970 are great! educated, cultured,passionate, love Iran, love their family, husband, very very faithful, they have morals,norms and values.
Iranian women born after 1970 they have no morals, they go where ever the wind takes them, they are opportunistic. They cheat on you in a heart beat unless they are tight down with a big mortgage or some other things at stake!
From all my friends,10 of them in particular who were married ended up in bitter divorces.
Two of my friends were real jerks they cheated on their wifes, but the rest were cheated on!
Dude you ROCK, you have a lots of nerve and guts to write out your heart.

It's getting late, but I shall continue my points tomorrow.

Kaveh

Persian Women

Wow do you think that ALL Persian women are like that. I seems that the women you have come across are bad ones. There are Gold Diggers in every nationality. Yes there are some Persian women who act like that and in LA it is even more prevelent because of the high population of Tehrangeles per say. But you see this behaviour in all kinds of women. And forget about Eastern Europeans they are some of the biggest Gold Diggers out there. They are beautiful for only a minute they have to parlay the looks they have because after 35 they crack and wrinkle like white women do. The Persian women that I know are Doctors and Lawyers. They bring a lot to the table and they have their own money and are highly educated. My mother is a Doctor and my father who passed was a Doctor also. I am Half Persian and Half Black. The insults and racism are terrible. And to the person that said that the Persian woman is caught between the White and above Black, Latino, that was terrible also. Because again the first Lady is a Black Women. And educated Black woman. The Presidents senior advisor is a Black women. Though she was born in Shiraz, Iran. He father a BLACK doctor was in Iran back in the 50's with the University of Chicago working there on a Humanitarian Mission to vacinate and help the poor there. Again your myopic statements are just that Myopic. Again I see Persian men running after and marrying some of the most trashiest White women around. They are just as enchanted by Blondes also. I have seen Persian men pass very highly educated Persian women for trasy white women because they too are thinking that they are stepping up in Society. Yes to be honest I have seen Persian women with Fake noses, fake breasts and fake personalities thinking that they are entitlled to the best that life has to offer without much effort. I have seen Persian Parents spoil their daughters to no end. I have seen Persian fathers ask for a Bank Statment when a man in interested in her daughter. I live in the Midwest where there is a large Persian population not as big as LA but sizable enough. I don't see this behaviour as much. I rarely do to be honest and I am around enough Persian women to know this. But in LA it does seem that some of the Persian women are kind of Vapid. Could it be environment? Who knows but I will not generalise to say that ALL Persian Women are like that.

Again when you point the finger at someone you are pointing 4 back at yourself. I have seen Persian men treat some lovely Persian women like garbage. I have seen Persian men cheat on their wives. Persian and non-Persian and think that it is his right. I have seen Persian men use American women as Greencards. I have seen Persian men have children with American other women and leave them out in the cold. I have seen Persian men flirt with other women even in the prescence of their wives. I have seen Persian men gamble away life savings. I have seen Persian men lead women on marry them leave them and go marry a Persian girl because he was too weak to tell his parents that he really loved a non persian girl. I have seen many Persian men that are Grease Monkeys, Construction workers, and Cab Drivers. In fact most of the cab drivers met their wives while driving a cab. Not all Persian men are CEO's, there are plenty that just have regular jobs like everyone else.

So to just make Blanket statement shows how obtuese you are.

Agreed....

I think this article is great, although I don't think anyone should presume all Iranian women are the same.

Many Iranian women I meet and talk to are very similar to what has been described. Not all of them though.

Basically, don't give up altogether. You may be surprised to find a handful of loyal, respectable Iranian women.

To Writer et. al.

Let me begin with my response to Dee...I agree completely. Just as parents send their kids to parochial school in order to shelter them, and those girls end up being the most rebellious and youngest who get pregnant.

Jahanbanoo's comment is very important to consider. Did you ever wonder why a woman is being cold to the men there? To be honest, some Persian girls don't find Persian men attractive, so get your panties out of a bunch. If they were running around with Persian men who happened to look great and respectable but treated them like crap at home.. it'd be OK? What I don't understand is how you claim to have so much insight into the underpinnings of the interactions that you've witnessed.

I know of many Iranian marriage situations that are exactly the opposite. The man sleeps around, the man treats the wife like trash, the man acts like he is entitled to do so. How is that any different. I think what you've focused on is more of a personality flaw that many people worldwide share of both genders. Such deficits are often the result of an obscure childhood and relations in respect to love in their life. One may have been exposed to a traumatic marriage within their personal family, the other may have experienced tragedy. You don't know by looking at someone what compels them and why their lover overlooks such flaws. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that there are people from all walks of life, all cultures, all countries who share this character flaw.

You have focused on Iranian women because you are obviously unhappy with your past experiences. But let's be serious, would you go to a bar to meet some bookworm? Do you expect to meet people of caliber and class at a bar? I Don't! I don't know what you were expecting but you need a reality check on where to find cultured, kind, polite and loving people of any culture.
Next time, try the cultural centers of the city, where an Iranian woman may already be educated, independent, raised with love and willing to love back. Maybe a museum, a library, even new restaurants that explore your palette. The point is... you don't go to the subway to get on the plane. The other point is that your approach to modesty and 'respect' in relation to other cultures is chauvinistic. No wonder you can't get Persian tail. No Persian girl in the US who is independent, kind, loving and intelligent would date you. You are the epitome of what Iranian women strive to get away from. Blind respect with no intention of return. Just look at how you put down your own country women. It's sad really. I pity you and your potential future with a woman from ANY country.

On that note, Good luck finding love but stop blaming the rest of society for your own inability to see past the obvious. Maybe we should get you a hat for your lonely birthday...CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.

FarazAltaie

It's quite humorous of you to suggest I need a lesson in subtelty when the very statements of yours with which I took issue were as blunt and direct as they are.

I'm aware that Islam recognizes the humanity of everyone. It's mortal man's recognition of everyone's humanity that must be called into question. As I mentioned, it was you who made those statements, not Islam.

Disagreement with the behavior(s) of others in and of itself does not render one as an elitist. When that disagreement becomes a judgment, when that disagreement becomes an opportunity to suggest that the morality of those who engage in behavior you find disagreeable is suspect or absent....that's elitism.

When one begins to form the belief that they are somehow of stronger moral fiber or of more upstanding character than others, especially by virtue of the religion they follow, the lesson in morality has been lost.

You believe that the moral laws stated in the Koran are both rational and practical. That is wonderful. But there are also those who live their lives following the moral laws and guidance of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and many other faiths. There is no religion that has been deemed to be "recommended" or "preferred by 4 out of 5 prophets" as though it is chewing gum. I believe that religion or faith is a deeply personal and private matter that should be left between the individual and God, or the creator, or however the individual chooses to believe.

None of us on this earth can say we have the answer. After all, what religion is God's religion anyway?

Are Iranian Women Amongst the most Disloyal, Self Centered Women

Mr. Arjang (not because you earned the title)

First and foremost the fact that you are categorizing all Iranian women into one cluster leads me to believe that you are by far the most ignorant person on this planet.

The fact that you claim to have a degree in college also seems a falsity as you have no grasp of the english language nor grammar.

I would suggest that in the first place you re-read your article before you move forward and post such ridiculous rants as facts.

What you claim to have observed is strictly, in my opinion, based upon the fact that a majority of Iranian men do not understand such things as love, affection, kindness, sweetness or loyalty.

If most Iranian women are disloyal it is as a direct result of most Iranian men and their failure to be the same in return.

The fact that your friends are turned down might have something to do with the fact that most Iranian men have no class when with an Iranian lady.

Although I am being guilty of the same thing I am accusing you of, I cannot state that it is only Iranian men, but men in general.

You also have no clue as to what might have occurred prior to your viewing these so called interactions (if in fact they truly took place) and you are making a blind judgement. As most men are given to doing.

Have you even bothered to go to Iran at any point in the so called 2 decades that you have been here?

Have you seen some of the things that the Iranian men in Iran do to their wives, daughters, sisters?

If Iranian women have become assertive then good for them; but I refuse to keep my mouth shut when some idiot starts ranting and raving with no real evidence to back up their lame, ignorant comments.

It seems to me that you have experienced these scenarios first hand and are labeling it as though you were the audience in order to give your ridiculous comments some validity.

I hope that you end up with a non Iranian woman who will treat you as you truly deserve to be treated. Because frankly an Iranian woman is far too good for a moron such as yourself.

With great respect to all women especially Iranian Women

Leyla Niazmand

PS. I didn't even bother reading the whole article because frankly I got sick to my stomach from your asinine comments!

RE: FarazAltaie

If you consider the Bible and the Koran  feminist literature then I suppose I do.

On a serious note......I have read a vast amount of literature from various sources and academic areas.

Look, I have seen what goes on within the Muslim community and it isn't perfect. No, I am not anti-Islam or anti-Muslim but I am also not naive.

There is no perfection within any religion, gender or ethnic group.

PS: I am anti-IRI.

To Natalia

Are you serious...I mean you can't be serious? I meant to use the word 'our' in the sense of belonging to or being associated with a certain group. Just because you belong to a certain group does not mean that you become the property of that group. Do you read a lot of feminist literature?

To Kaveh

You need a lesson in reading subtlety. Nowhere did I deny anyone of their humanity. Islam recognizes the humanity of everyone, regardless of gender, race, creed or handicap-that is why torture is not allowed in Sunni Islam--real Islam!

Now if people want to live like animals, by following their base/animal desires, by fornicating, drinking, engaging in deceit ect. then I cannot be blamed if I draw a proper analogy. Just because I don't agree with behavior that has a negative societal/personal impact, does not make me an elitist. In fact to assume that someone who takes a moral stance is somehow impinging on the rights of others is fallacious, and does not follow logically.

What does it mean to be inherently good? Without religious guidance and commandments, how can you even ascertain what is good and what is not. If you are saying that morality is objective then you are implicitly affirming the existence of a creator ie. who created the good. If you are saying that it is subjective, then you are caught in a contradiction ie. there is no "good", if "good" is arbitrary.

No one understands the nature of a thing better than it's creator, and I believe that the moral laws stated in the Quran are both rational and practical. There is no other faith that puts such an emphasis on morality, both in terms of scope and common sense. You don't have to accept it but by turning away, you only hurt yourselves.

Have you ever heard of

"Physician heal thyself"

Where do you go off saying "our women".....women are not property.

FarazAlitae

"...Accept the real Islam if you want to live like human beings..."

Your words, are they not?

"...they have been raised with either a distorted theology, no theology or an insufficient level of God consciousness and moral accountability..."

Again, your words, I presume?

There are people of all faiths, and those who subscribe to no particular faith who are inherently good, decent people of character and morality, just as there are those who are not. What is worse is when people hide behind or use their faith to justify criticisms of others, or view them as lesser people.

To Kaveh

It's not a sermon, it's a diagnosis, also, I don't remember denying anyone of their humanity in my post. If you want to object to something I have said then attack my arguments, not straw men.

FarazAlitae

Do everyone a favor and keep your theology to yourself. If anyone wants a sermon, they can go to their local mosque, synagogue, church or temple themselves. Don't deliver sermons as though it's pizza.

For you to suggest that anyone who does not subscribe to the same idiotic fairy tale as you isn't a human being defines you as an elitist, which BTW, makes you just as trashy and classless as a racist.

IT'S ALL ABOUT RELIGION!!!

The writer of the story neglects the fact that the behavior of Persian women is a direct result of their upbringing. I am a Sunni Persian, and we do not have the same problem with our women that you Shias, Christians, Jews and Secularist have. The reason your women are cheap, treacherous and materialistic is because they have been raised with either a distorted theology, no theology or an insufficient level of God consciousness and moral accountability. In Sunni Persian culture, the very idea of a woman wearing revealing clothing is a scandal, but for your women, even having sex before marriage is is not considered reprehensible unless it is with a non-Perisan (BTW,that makes you racist.) You reap what you sow and you get what you give. Your culture needs a complete revamp, if you want to see real changes. Accept the real Islam if you want to live like human beings, or else don't play with fire and then complain when your house burns to the ground.

What do you think of your mother? Is she Iranian?

Dude,
Just because you ran into couple of trash, you can't make a general rule that all Iranian women are trash. Is your mother trash?

Someone has made a bold announcement

Maybe Iranian girls are really "the most disloyal, the most treacherous, the most self centered, and at the same time the laziest women around", but maybe this is because Iranian men are "the most disloyal, the most treacherous, the most self centered, and at the same time the laziest men around".

I saw good men, bad men, good women, bad women, Iranians and Non-Iranians.

Yeah, some of the Iranian girls are not worth the troubles, but maybe not because of their race or their "bad zaatee" boodan, but because they have had bad experiences with Iranian men, or they feel inadequate because of growing up in Iranian societies and now think they are of higher value if they are together with foreign men. Anyway they deserve neither bad husbands nor your insultings.

P.S.: I´ve never had an Iranian girl-friend :)

I suppose we will all have to die wondering ...

Who was that anonyomus guy on Iranian. com that really 'nailed the point'.

I have no issue with your writing, while it could not be considered beautiful, it was refreshing to see a 'lack of suger coating' and direct dialogue (and acceptance) around a serious matter.

Interesting that you should mention Ari Siletz name as Iranian.com posted a clip of an iranian art film and I could not help noticing that he and I were the only two people that actually loved it!!   Everyone else found it slow and boreing or simply disliked it!!

I believe I know the article you are reffering too and if we are on the same page and it is magical.  However, I belive its called a Valentine for Iran?? As for the Farsi one, I tend to skip over them as (sadly) my farsi is limited (and I mean limted).

Ok back to the subject at hand - Where ever there is a lack of  romantic understanding between genders it creates a culturally at risk society. For example, If our guy Arjang had his way there would be no more iranian marraiges!! 

For so many generations marraige in Iran has been far too simple and unbalanced affair. Now that iranian girls, outside of iran, are finding their voice, perhaps they are (warranted) in wanting to explore sexaully and (even) dominate. They are of course rebelling, and after such oppression that is very natural.

Once out of their box - There is no going back!!

So... you guys either accept or else, find an asian or arab girl as Arjang suggests!! obviously us western gals are a lost cause as we never even got a mention from Arjang (somehow, im ok with that!).

It is always magical to witness the opressed set themselves free!

Freedom is a beautiful thing...

This Arjang guy reminds me

This Arjang guy reminds me of a Tapesh TV character "Porchooneh" or "Behrouz Pakshir". I would not like to judge him but he comes across as very sexist and no respect for women. What has startled me is the fact that I hardly find any handsome Persian guy complaining about women or Iranian women particularly. I only see ugly Iranian men bashing Iranian women, I don't know why that is. For instance, this "Porchooneh" guy is really ugly and I am not even kidding. He has small sleazy eyes, big fat belly, balding, generally an ugly person. I have never seen a handsome Persian guy complaining about women. Unfortunately, these ugly men are so dumb that they don't realize that if they don't have the good looks, they should at least be compensating for it with some good character and nice attitude.

honesty.

I too didn't read till the end of the article, but went and finished it after I read your two posts. Yeah...Arjang is a piece of work, enveloped in pain and rejection.

But his condition is hardly uncommon.

I am glad that my honesty struck a chord with you, though I'm sad that my writing did not appeal to your taste. I'd kindly ask you to also read "on the importance of reaching out" posted at the bottom of the Bijan and Manijeh story by Ari Siletz. Also "Jendeh is that Jendeh does" on the article written in farsi titled "Man Jendeh Neestam" (it's the one with a redish picture of a woman apparently chiseling her own body).

In any case, I must appologize for my anonymity, but I can't say that I will do anything about it. I feel that I have to add another layer of sugar coating if I were to put my name next to my coments, which, frankly, I see as a waste of time.

Realistically, if I ever were to get married, I could make a better case in favor of an Iranian woman. However, I think my chances of finding someone of any other nationality with parallel sensibilities if the same, if not better.

I also have a "no plastic surgery" clause, which almost immidiately elliminates the vast majority of Iranian women.

How's that for hitting the nail on the head?