Should We Welcome A USA Sponsored Regime Change for Iran?

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
07-Oct-2011
 

We all know today, the Shah was removed by a US orchestrated coup d'etat, with military involvement up to the last minute. This Coup had been pre-planned years in advance and supported by propaganda focussing on 3 Massive myths regarding the Late Shah. 1) Dictator 2) Repression 3) Corruption.  This Myth was Propagated mainly by US & UK Media (No Surprise).  Who instead of Congratulating Iran on it's oil independence in 1979 were found renegotiating contract for oil that saw Iran receive only 25% for its oil compared with 75% during the late Shahs time.  While the US Secret plan spoke to the people of Iran, via it's media in favor of supporting human rights, we also now know that this was just a cynical statement from the USA.  Harsh tactics which had NOT been common, were being pushed on Savaki's by US advisors (although nothing like the types of international torture houses the US is using today or even secret executions of US Citizens becoming now within the legal power of the President of the USA for the first time).  To get a background of the details of these US & UK operations, listen to this clip by historian f william engdahl.

Then read this excerpt from a book written by an Iranian

//www.studien-von-zeitfragen.de/Eurasien/Shah...

Using these two documents, feel free to add your own, lets discuss if we should welcome A US Sponsored Regime Change for Iran, most likely using MeK (though the USA may decide to fund them in secrecy like it has been, instead of delisting them, to keep up a good US image)?

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Lost in translation!

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I never call anyone stupid and in my dictionary "stupidity"means acting and thinking in the WRONG way, but the term I used just simply means LACK of knowledge!

 

For instance PAN IRANISM(as I feel Mr. Mostofi believes in it) is not stupid but it's simply a raw and unscientific belief!

I know how to spell and use bad mouthing words but I never and ever do such an act as I feel for the sake of healthy conversation there is no need to swear and dirty talk!


 


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Shokaran

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 low intelligence 

You are basically calling him stupid right? How do you know what his intelligence is. Did you do an IQ test on him? Billions of people believe in the invisible guy in the sky are they stupid. Plato believed in Zeus and Einstein in the invisible god were they stupid.  


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VPK

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Would you do me a favor and point out which bad word or "fohsh" did I use?

I know sometimes my words  taste bitter but sorry it's not my fault....Facts are bitter!


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Shokaran

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Your post to Ali Mostofi is very rude and inappropriate. I was going to flag it but someone beat me to it. You could have made your point about a leader without resort to name calling and "fosh". 

For your information I find Mr. Mostofi to be  intelligent and decent. I may or may not believe in astrology but that is a different matter. Astrology is a very integral part of our heritage whether is works or not.

What bothers me is people on IC getting so rude. There has always been name calling but it is getting worse. Now there are an increasing number of people I do not even talk to. Because their idea of humor and discussion is so offensive to me.


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VPK: Avesta teaches us to respect everything as everything has an identity. Our problem starts with not speaking with the same words that describe us and them. As we agreed they are to be called The Hezbollah Party in Iran. We are Iranians. We have no need for political issues as this is a cultural matter. It is a national emergency.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Alimostofi

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Most Iranians still want to seek revenge if they get power.

Yes it is a real danger and I know you are right. Just the hate and venom I see in Iranian Americans scares me. If some of them were to gain power there would be a blood bath.  But without a human focal point I fear we are not going to do much.

  • No human leader => maybe nothing happens.
  • Bad human leader => revenge; executions and so on

Regarding Avesta I agree with you without hesitation. I have been reading the Gathas and other parts of Avesta and learning them. You have but how many other people? What do we do now? What concrete steps do you propose or predict.

 


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VPK: Focal Point. Our

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VPK: Focal Point.

Our focus is our attitude. Our attitude must be have a common root. Our root comes from finding what we are not and what we are. It has taken me thirty years to educate non violence to all as written in the Zend Avesta. Most Iranians still want to seek revenge if they get power. They are not Iranian yet. Iran means land of the noble. Nobility do not kill.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Dear Alimostofi

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I think we do need a leader even if it is just a figurehead. People need a focal point like a grain to gather around. The leader need not be particularly smart or bright. But you need some focus. 

Ideally once the Hizoblahi regime is gone the leader is no longer needed. They should move aside and let people choose their representatives. Generally a good revolution leader is not good as a political one. But absolutely need to have one.


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Shokaran: leadership

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Shokaran: leadership

No leadership is needed when the whole of Iranian nation is leading the cultural resistance against The Hezbollah Party in Iran non violently. We are all leaders.

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Shokaran

%100 YES!

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1) Iranian people became so weak by IRI that have no power to do an interior job!(Green movement was the strongest one!)

2)There is no respected leader for opposition (thanks to our low intelligence and high standards!)

3)Our history admits external strong powers always had a big roles in changes in our country!(Alexander,Effing Muslim arabs ,Changiz khan,and in the recent history Russia and Britain together!)

4)Our people always welcome the super powers as history shows! (please don't even think about the resistance of Iraq war! Iraq wasn't a power house and our people still had lots of hope from their new regime!)

 

5)As the price of freedom Americans are just looking for venues and money! It's a fair deal!  it's better than losing the money to these Islamic bandits! ( $2.6 billions! Does this number ring a bell??) 


 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I am aware of how it comes out in practice

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I was hoping people can bring this practice to public consciousness and call the victims human beings or at least innocent civilians in the main stream media so some leverage can come about by t becoming a political issue, these actions are counter productive in their aims.

We'll not in the aims of some business interests, but in civilians causes all over the world.


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

I am aware of how it comes out in practice

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I was hoping people can bring this practice to public consciousness and call the victims human beings or at least innocent civilians in the main stream media so some leverage can come about by t becoming a political issue, these actions are counter productive in their aims.

We'll not in the aims of some business interests, but in civilians causes all over the world.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirparviz Jan

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Good luck! We have no international law or norms it is the law of power. Your previous writings imply you already know this. So why the change of heart? Who is going to enforce these international norms.

Barring an alien invasion or some super weapons in hands of a benevolent force. What do we expect. Will God show up to punish the guilty? You got the power you do what you want! None will stop you if they don't have the ability.


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Regarding Acting Outside Accepted Norms. This whole thing of the

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USA breaking international law with complete impunity by sending drones into other peoples territories and killing civilians while going after targets that are listed a threat to the USA needs to be addressed at some point and brought to an end.  The innocent familles of those murderered so far should be compensated.  


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

MRX1 We are thinking of not calling these guys islamo fascists

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As that does not distinguish them from the taliban etc.

We are thinking using, The Hezbollah Party in Iran, what do you think?  Would you use that or no?


MRX1

Yes go for it

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Because at this rate  if the islamo facist regime is still around in two decades, Iran will simply cease to exist!

With 50% of population below the poverty line (soon to increase due to the horrible econmic condition and increase in population) , with rivers , lakes , swamps, forsts dying out at astonishing rate, with cultural and historical monuments collapsing every day due to lack of care, with industries getting old due to lack of investemnt, with Iranian culture (the glue that kept Iran together in thousends of years)  being attacked 7/24 for thirty some years now and seperatists are popping up right and left,  what you will end up with is: people with no common identity, living in a concrete jungle, starving and doing anything to survive at expense of others. At that point if Iran is not disintegerated it will be miracle! buteven if it does not it will be a hell hole every one trying to scape from.

 


alimostofi

That is why you should use

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That is why you should use the full version The Hezbollah Party in Iran or THPII.

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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Regarding name and ...

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I don't like HP because it is too close to "Hewlett Packard". They will not allow their name to be dragged in the mud. For good reason since they worked hard to build a reputation.

Besides Hezbolah already has "party" in it since Hezb means party. 

The oil thing you know how I feel about that. Sooner it runs out or becomes irrelevant the better. Worse than opium and more harmful. Not one bit of good has it done for Iran.  


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Lets debate the name here for starters,

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We know that all groups in IRI khatami/rafsanjani/mousavi & AN support hezbollah and are anti-secular so this hezbollahi party is not a conservative thing, but a thing that vets all people who disagree with it out of the power structure.  Should we call the IRI supporters HP or  HPI/HPL

Hezbollahi Party or Hezbollahi Party In Iran/Hezbollahi Party in Lebaon.

I prefer calling them HP (to keep Iran out of it)

With Nazi's you had German/Italian and Japanese Nazi's,

So they are HP Hezbollahi Party, the entirity of them,

Even calling them just Hezbollahi I think is okay.

The main stream media only used the phrase for lebanon. The alternative is calling them islamists. Islamists does not distinguish between the shia and sunni versions, both taliban and hezbollahi are islamists we have a problem with those dominating the shia community, not all shia are hezbollahi, just the ones that are anti secular and using shia to pursue power.

Hirre has a point with respect to the idea of a usa sponsored regime change, in the worst case scenario, the consequence would be disasterous and there really aren't any cases I can think of in recent history where there was an acceptable scenario with US involvement for the people of iran.

Then if we accept Hirre's logic, and I do, it becomes a matter of practicality, by that I mean how does one keep the USA out of Iran and on good terms with a future Iran.  It is militarily the most powerful force in the world and it has a big interest in Iran.  Keeping them out requires magic, I don't forsee how.  Someone explain how one can keep the USA from not being involved in Regime Change in Iran.  If you watched the video, you'd realize that a free Iran will always have to trade its oil in dollars (which is not beneficial as we are forced to lose out due to usa inflation), no choice they won't allow any country to pursue its own policies independent of them, they want to remain the reserve currency, period.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirparviz Jan

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Just started to read your blog. I like the idea of a non Iran name. As I said Hizbollah reminds people of Lebanon. You said don't use Iran. Nevertheless HPI could work. The point is you man popularize any name.

It takes constant use so it becomes a "rule". Once the MSM picks it up you are set. 

  • Debate on an get a name that have a nice ring to it.
  • Popularize it in IC; using whatever other channels that are available.
  • For example do what Ali is doing; commenting on various articles.

We are on step 1 right now. I would say let us take a few days get "1"; move to next.


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Amir Taheri and the NY Post

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You should all know that Amir Taheri is a right wing Neocon. NY Post is a Murdoch rag not worth reading. Just want to make people know what these are. I appreciate Mr. Mostofi correcting NY Post. But Taheri is a lost cause.

 


hirre

No

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This is typically what happens when the US "liberates" middle-eastern countries:

1) The US makes war and destroys the country's army and infrastructure

2) The US offers loans for rebuilding the country, loans which cannot be paid back in reasonable time

3) The loans don't go the the country itself, but to american companies responsible for recreating the country

4) For loan insurrence the US usually demands a large procent of the countries energi resources, in the middle east it is usually oil and gas

5) The US establishes permanent military bases in the country

6) The whole foreign policy of the country becomes US-dependant

 

... when people shout "marg bar amrika", it's not all in stupidity...

 

This is why countries like russia and china don't want the US to "liberate" e.g. Syria or any other country, not because they are much better, but because they don't want american military presence in the region, the same goes for Iran...

Unfortunately even though the IR sees this injustice, it shuts its own eyes when it comes to the situation of its own people...

The US wants to continue its modern form of slavery and I'm not supporting this type of behaviour the same way I don't support the IR...


alimostofi

Amir: an example Here is

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Amir: an example

Here is Amir Taheri doing it. And I commented.

//www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnist...

Ali Mostofi

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alimostofi

Amir: Easy It is rwally

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Amir: Easy

It is rwally academic and yet so powerful. All you need to do is to correct their English. And the irony is that The Hezbollah Party in Iran and elsewhere will respect you for it. lol

Ali Mostofi

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

We have so much work to do!

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I was just reading an article in the telegraph, it said "Marzieh Vafamehr was arrested in July after
appearing in 'My Tehran for Sale,' which came under harsh criticism in
conservative circles."

WRONG, which came under harsh criticism from the Hezbollahi Party and its Leaders.

 


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

It is the Hezbollahi Party that persecutes Christians and bahais

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Not Iranians or their culture and history.

is that correct use of our newly aware terminology?


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Ali the media uses Islamist from time to time

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on

But this phrase is too general and we need to direct attention on the one in Iran and to separate the misuse of the word Iran.

Like Taliban you know which islamist,

Hezbollahi Party in Iran, HPI is what we need to focus our attention on. 

Hezbollahi Party = extremists = anti-secular Shia Fundamentalist Rule

VPK what do you think?


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Hezbollahi party in Lebanon,

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Hezbollahi party in Iran,

I like it.  

Hezbollahi Party = extremists = anti-secular Shia Fundamentalist Rule

VPK what do you think?


amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Hezbollahi party in Lebanon,

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Hezbollahi party in Iran,

I like it.  

Hezbollahi Party = extremists = anti-secular Shia Fundamentalist Rule

VPK what do you think?