PROTEST

Change of US foreign policy worked!

I think the West  should immediately remove sanctions against Iran! That is the best way the Iranian people will be helped. That would give great support to those who want change in Iran. It will make their case very valid. Once the perceived threat of war is gone, the regime will have no leg to stand on for its persecutions and oppressions.

The West should also immediately ask for talks for the purpose of resolving animosity between Iran and and the West. These two actions will be a very effective blow to stupidity and ignorance and will remove the sources of oppression from the positions of power. 

NIAC war right, working on normalizing Iran-US relationship is the most effective way to help people in Iran. The excuse of "external threat against Islam or Iran" has been the strongest leg that the opressors have been standing on since the beginning. It is time this leg was taken from under them! 

All the 30 years of rhetorics by the West only made oppressors and ignorant superstitious rulers stronger. As soon as the US openly stated that they are no longer attempting to overthrow the IRI, Iranians dared to ask questions from their own government! This is the way out! 

Where is your vote? Voting

Where is your vote? Voting doesn't guaranty winning. You did not bring enough votes! That is democrocy, if you can understand it and live with it.

nifky, tell your family...

...to look into moving to an arab country, possibly yemen, once the curtain is drawn on the iri rats like you and your ilk.

all you anti IR

All of you anti IR dogs need to accept defeat and stop soozeh'ing...

One Dead in Riots (French Report)

Un manifestant a été tué par balles et plusieurs autres ont été blessés lundi à Téhéran lors d'un rassemblement de centaines de milliers de partisans de Mir Hossein Moussavi, candidat malheureux à la présidentielle, qui contestaient la réélection de Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

//actu.orange.fr/articles/a-la-une/Un-mort-lors-d-une-manifestation-monstre-d-opposants-a-Teheran.html

Nifky, check your facts before responding

you said:

"the US does not recognize dual citizenships"

response: "

It indeed used to be the case in the US that you couldn't hold dual citizenship (except in certain cases if you had dual citizenship from birth or childhood, in which case some Supreme Court rulings -- Perkins v. Elg (1939), Mandoli v. Acheson (1952), and Kawakita v. U.S. (1952) -- permitted you to keep both). However, most of the laws forbidding dual citizenship were struck down by the US Supreme Court in two cases: a 1967 decision, Afroyim v. Rusk, as well as a second ruling in 1980, Vance v. Terrazas.

Rules against dual citizenship still apply to some extent -- at least in theory -- to people who wish to become US citizens via naturalization. The Supreme Court chose to leave in place the requirement that new citizens must renounce their old citizenship during US naturalization. However, in practice, the State Department is no longer doing anything in the vast majority of situations where a new citizen's "old country" refuses to recognize the US renunciation and continues to consider the person's original citizenship to be in effect. (<-- this is the case for iranian-americans)

The official US State Department policy on dual citizenship today is that the United States does not favor it as a matter of policy because of various problems they feel it may cause, but the existence of dual citizenship is recognized (i.e., accepted) as a fact of life. That is, if you ask them if you ought to become a dual citizen, they will recommend against doing it; but if you tell them you are a dual citizen, they'll almost always say it's OK. "

as you said, first know the law and your facts before you talk.  there are us citizens by birth who have acquired citizenship abroad, and naturalized us citizens who still hold citizenship from their country of birth who participate in the elections of both countries.  if that wasn't so, scores of american mexicans and american-fill-in-the-blank would be stripped of their us citizenship and sent home. tell me one case that has happened. just one.

This demonstration does not look genuine.

I wrote a comment last night that was not published. I'm writing again in case the comment was deleted by accident.

I have participated in many many demonstrations in San Francisco over the years. I'm quite familiar with the pattern of Iranian pariticipation in these demonstations, which is scattered and small and far from organized. Whoever organized this demonstration, complete with printed banners and t-shirts and other paraphernalia has skill and resources for doing this sort of thing. Someone is behind this.

I'm sure the participants mean well but I smell a rat. Hope I'm wrong.

Khanoum "Nifky" GO tell Bakhtiar that He has NO Say ...

Bakhtiar on a Future Constitution to be drafted after Regime Change and the conditions for a Free and Fair Elections on the future democratic state of choice :

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBFTWXz5_Q&feature=related

He also mentions Rafsanjani, and what the Role of the West should be in relation to the regime.

5 august 1989, Hamburg

VOUS N'AUREZ PAS NOTRE LIBERTE DE PENSER:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJY8fhGTMU0

"Iran Harguez Nakhahad Mord" -Shahpour Bakhtiar (who was brutally assassinated by IRI death Squads)

Best,

DK 

To Hamsade ghadimi

Hamsade Ghadimi, you are wrong! No former American citizen who considers himself a citizen of another country would participate in the voting process in the US. As a matter of fact, the US does not recognize dual citizenships, so if there is a US citizen somewhere in another country and he is a citizen of that country, he is NOT allowed to vote if the US knows he has another citizenship.

So for all of you US citizens who want to know where your vote is, you don't have a vote in Iran, because you are an AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!!!!!

Hamsade Ghadimi, 1st know the law. 2nd if you or others are American Citizens, then that is what you are and you are not allowed to vote as Iranian citizens.

Respect and know the laws of the country you are living in!

Where is Your Vote?

Where do you think it is?   What gave you the impression your vote mattered to begin with?In a country where the rapist Judge orders execution of their under-age victim,In a country where the police and the thieves have a 50-50 share of the takes,Where 90% of the oil income does not even enter Iran,Where nobody tells the truth,Where do you think your vote is?   Even if this Hollywood style script (come to think of it a Hollywood group was in Tehran a few months ago – lol) ends with Mousavi as the president – where do you think that will take us?  Don’t you remember anything about the time Mousavi was the Prime Minister?  Do you think he will take the country any further than Khatami did?   Do you remember Khatami on his last days, and how he brushed off all reform minded students? Some of you may say: We are riding the pro-Musavi “Green” movement because it is an opportunity and the safest way to fight IRI.  Fair Enough – I will support you and anything with a potential to help Iran.  In fact majority of the people in the streets of Tehran are not there in support of Mousavi, but in opposition to the dictatorship all together.    One way or another – if nothing else this whole election show has had one positive outcome – a more solidified opposition with a better understanding on how and if this theocracy can be reformed.  

Ahmadinejad, Mousavi, ghatel, what is the difference!

Ahmadinejad, Mousavi, Rezai and ... are all made of the same filthy cloth.
For those of you who think a great injustice has occurred, I hate to tell you that in the end it would not have made the slightest bit of difference who was chosen. Those who pass the hurdle of the "guardian council", all have the survival of this regime as their most important priority and at any cost. Or have you forgotten the non-existant achievements of Khatami?
Under the akhunds, elections are meaningless.

People risking their lives and limbs for an IRI candidate is ridiculous. Overthrow of this regime, well that is a cause worth risking your life for not replacing one "shepeshu" with another.

Pirooz bashid and down with the IRI.

My people the youth of Iran are beautiful

The IRI made us feel ugly about being Iranian. Made us treat each other with no respect. Made us think that our youth are nothing but drug addicts, whores, and lacking any courage and dignity. A bunch of headless losers. But see how great they are How brave they are on Streets of my country.
They are making history today. These are my beautiful beautiful people that we all forgot to love because Islam made us hate each other. I love my people and I wish them freedom.

Your Beautiful Country

I am a Canadian and would like to visit your country one day. I hope you can work out your differences. Here in Canada we have all sorts of people with different beliefs and religions living together. Sorry about the US and Israel. We just try to ignore them.

Not necessarily hamsade!

It may look like crap, smells like one, but, guess what, it is indeed Election 2009! Using your, no doubt intimately familair with, analogy let me elaborate.

What you guys are struggling to do, without much success, is to convince others that there are different brands of crap, Green, Yellow, Orange and Brown. Colors are different but contents are the same. You and the rest of the Moussavi worshippers preferred the Green carp to the rest but the bottom line is that crap is crap and it was Election 2009.,

FR

FYI/Demo in Paris This Afternoon 16h-20h Place des Halles

Sunday, June 14, 2009

See Persian Translation here

Manifestation contre le gouvernement illégitime d'Ahmadinejad
En solidarité avec la manifestation de demain (Lundi le 15 Juin) à Téhéran contre le « coup de force» électoral, nous les iraniens de Paris manifesterons de 16h (à la même heure qu’à Téhéran) à 20h à la Place des Innocents, Metro Les Halles.

Comme nos compatriotes à l’intérieur du pays et par tout dans le monde (Londres, Washington, New York, Berlin, Amsterdam, Bruxelle, Abou Dhabi, Jakarta, Kuala lumpur etc.):

Nous contestons les fraudes massives lors des élections présidentielles.

Nous contestons la répression de ces derniers jours dans le pays et nous voulons avertir les presses mondiales de l'atmosphère securitaire qui s’est installé depuis les élections en Iran.

Nous voulons faire entendre la voix des iraniens par tout dans le monde.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad n’est pas notre président.

Comme tous les 30 million iraniens qui n’ont pas voté pour le président sortant nous nous habillerons en noir et nous allons crier :
« Where is my Vote ?»

Fools,

Why not write "Bank Saderat" on your windows then smash them??
You fools, what you think does not matter.
You are even ignorant enough to support Mosavi,ex henchman himself.
Since when he has become the saviour of Iran??
Please use the grey cells in your tiny brains not the fatty tissues.

interesting pictures

Thanks for the pictures Nazy khanoom. I wish i lived somewhere where I could have participated in something similar to show my support for the establishment of governments which are accountable to the people, worldwide. Any peaceful protest of injustice is honorable, but lettem know that it could turn in to violence if the REGIME DOESNT MEET OUR DEMANDS!!! YOU HIT US WE'LL HIT BACK! just kidding. So did anyone else notice all the homosexual flags ? Is that just part of San Francisco culture? or did it have something to do with the riot?

Nifky

voting is considered a fundamental privilege by citizens of any country. you would be ridiculed in the us if you argued that the us citizens not living in the us should not be allowed to vote for the president (or senator, governor, etc. for that matter).

although i am passionate for iranian politics, i opted not to vote because 1) i don't think that iran counts the votes of citizens outside the country (apparently it doesn't count them inside either), and 2) i didn't want to be used as an instrument by the iri regime to show the west that iran has a legitimate democracy. that was a personal decision. i did not advocate boycotting inside or outside the country and only stated my case for my own decision.

so before prescribing others on what to do and what not to do, try your logic face to face with a us citizen (as opposed to being an anonymous commentator) and see what he has to say after he stops laughing.

DK

Where are your votes? You guys left your votes in Iran when you decided to migrate. As far as I am, anyone who does not live in Iran has no right to vote for Iran's future.

Why should someone in a foreign country determine the fate of people, while he himself does not live there?

If you don't definitely plan on moving to Iran permanently in the near future, you have NO stake.

Just as no one in Iran should be voting for the President of the US.

anonymous tanha, benjamin

tanha,

please check your facts. especially during this crisis, we don't need to spread false rumors outside and inside of iran (not that it's ok at any other time).  that was not a picture of khatami being arrested. if you read the comments regarding the picture, you will realize that the picture was taken before the election in ahvaz where there was a scuffle between khatami and ahmadi's supporters.

benjamin,

indeed the second link that you sent uses the poll results of the first link that you sent. the poll indicates 34% favored ahmadi, second was the undecided at 27%, mousavi 14%, ... the claim of fradulent election results was not merely on the final results but on the lack of transparancy, obvious incongruencies, and questionable conduct. one has to wonder how in the small hometown of mousavi (shabaster, pop. 7000), 5000 people voted for ahmadi and 2000 voted for mousavi. the same thing can be said for karoubi's and rezaei's hometowns. these results are unprecedented; not just that ahmadi won, but by the margin that he won. one has to also wonder why all the opposing candidates (and their major supporters) to ahmadi are either in house arrest or jail. there are many other conflicting stories and it seems suspicious that khamenei was so quick to declare ahmadi the winner through this cloud of suspicion.

if it looks like like crap and smell like crap, it's crap.

Benjamin,.I.don't.suppose.you.realize,

do.you,.that.the.two.links.you.provided.both.show.the.same.poll.

from.different. news.sources?

Did.you.make.a.mistake.and.intended.to.post.a.second.poll.from.a.

third.source?

Because.if.you.didn't,.and.you.just.didn't.realize.they.were.the.same.

poll.when.you.read.them,.I.can't.begin.to.tell..you.how.frustrating.

that.is.

election in Iran

Election in Iran, unlike many western countries, is taken very seriously, is well recorded ,documented and no one can vote unless uses his/her ID card ( passport or Birth certificate) and his/her finger print. It is therefore impossible to claim that the election can be similar to that in USA, UK, Australia and subject to fraud. is easy to prove how many have voted and count for each and any vote, and every vote is traceable. I personally voted for Moosavi, and learnt how the voting procedure was. Every ballot paper can be traced to see who it was given to. To claim that the election has been subject to fraud is just ludicrous and nonsense.

Let us all keep our dignity and accept the outcome and the wish of the majority who have voted for Ahmadi Nejad. You can , if you wish, form a team and ask UN to check the authenticity of the election, but not trough violence and disturbing the peace and people’s life.

Based on these facts, It is now the responsibility of the government of Iran to maintain order and let people get on with their life. It is the government’s duty to use the full force of the law and deal with any arrogant who is trying to disturb the peace by helping the foreign powers or agents such as Western media in particular BBC or the American news media, who have noting in mind but to turn Iran into another Iraq or Afghanistan. It is time for the government of Iran to show strength and stop any hooliganism by a bunch of idiots who can not understand the sensitivity of the circumstances.

Hassan for freedom and fairness

BA HAM !

ITS NOW OR NEVER !

TODAY ONLY UNITY !

A FREE, SECULAR AND DEMOCRATIC IRAN SHOULD BE OUR COMMON GOAL !

BA HAM !

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCEvQLJ7-8s

BRAVO !

عکس دستگیری خاتمی

//coup88.mihanblog.com/post/33

SCIENTIFIC POLLS SHOWED AHMADINEJAD AHEAD

** SCIENTIFIC POLLS PRIOR TO THE ELECTIONS SHOWED AHMADINEJAD AS FAR AHEAD OF HIS RIVALS. **

For example, see the poll reported upon here

//mrzine.monthlyreview.org/iran110609.html

and here

//www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=37609&t=1&c=62&cg...

Ahmadinejad's success was no surprise. He was and remains more popular than his opponents.

Ahmadinejad has spent the last four years winning over the poor (and actually much of the middle class too) by offering loans, grants, and projects.

Furthermore, the man has charisma. Sadly, none of his three opponents had charisma.

The TV debates helped Ahmadinejad. I'm sad to say that his main opponent, Mirhossein Mousavi, was painful to watch. Mousavi started with a trembling voice, left many of his sentences unfinished, seemed nervous, got agitated easily, left some of Ahmadinejad's criticisms unanswered, and, most notoriously, constantly repeated fillers such as "you know" "um" "like" (In Persian: "chiz" "be-estelah" etc.).

The scientific poll cited above is consistent with polls by TFT (Terror Free Tomorrow) from a year ago that showed Ahmadinejad was very popular, as well as several credible polls in the meantime by neutral organization from Iran. The only polling organizations that put Mousavi ahead of Ahmadinejad was Mousavi's own campaign, but they never published the details, sampling methods, etc!

Shazdeh are you serious?

what is the source that you used to get this news?

Latest news from hell ...

Unfortunately, the other two candidates (Karoobi and Mousavi) are now in Evin. The "unknown soldiers of emam zaman" are working on them, for a TV confession!