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Thank you Amirparviz

Glad you also spoke up here. Our very identity is under attack; we must fight. The problem is Islamists are very threatened by anything pre-Islam. They claim there was no civilization before Islam! What pile of total BS.

Their worst nightmare is when people remind them of pre-Islam Iran. That is why they scream "racist" if you say one word about Iran. But they have no problem talking about superior "seyyeds" that is just fine with them.

If you reject Islam they go bonkers. They say "world considers you Muslim just accept it". My response is "Nobody I know thinks I am a Muslim". It is just their fear of the taboo being gone. Once door is open people reject Islam by droves.

cyrousg1

Your personal attack on Siavash is both rude and without merit. He voiced his opinion and did not attack you. In return you attack and insult him. Do you call that original thinking? How about logic. 

The problem with some people is they hate anything Iranian. God forbid if someone mentions pre-Islam Iran they go bonkers. Insults; attacks and so on. Well this is a free nation unlike IRI and Siavash has a right to his thoughts.

I share some but not all of them. I am not a Muslim and no amount of screaming by others makes me. Nobody around me thinks I am a Muslim. I do not pretend to be European or Muslim. Iranians are not required to be Muslims we are free to pick.

enlightening, interesting or original

who gives a flying fart about being enlightening, interesting or original when the good side of our culture is under attack.  Just stating and repeating the truth is the wisest thing one can do.  Wisdom thats what is lacking in so many comments these days.  Our old culture matters because our traditions matter because there is something special about aryan culture we need to keep alive with love and care.  I for one still have use for good in my life.  We must all be very connected on some level, because I just wrote this blog a couple of hours ago and you guys are discussig part of it. 

//iranian.com/main/blog/amirparvizforsecularm...

This may be very very boring for you, so you really shouldn't bother reading it. 

Unoriginal Siavash300

Stop regurgitating the same cliché victimhood stories that are written on this site how many times a day. Every other unoriginal Iranian says this boring stuff as if it’s the freshest revelation known to man. I’ve heard it a million times before, and you’re gonna try and condescend with “If you didn't know that, you are far from reality my friend”. I’m not your friend and what you wrote is anything but enlightening, interesting or original. You wanna show off and score points first go and do some independent thinking then maybe you might have something enlightening, interesting or original to say.     

Siavash Jan

The one good thing about Mullahs is human nature. People specially youth do opposite of what they are forced. When Pahlavi were in power everyone was a"Muslim".  Heck we had Marxist Eslami! 

Of course Melli Mazhabi and all other kinds of it. Now that Islam is being pushed we get the reverse. Youth run away from Islam in any and all possible ways! They go to Zoroastrian; Christianity or whatever they may. 

Therefore we have to thank IRI for finally ridding Islam from minds of people. After the Mollahs fall they will take this religion BS with them. It will be great but 1400 years later than it should be!

cyrousg1 question

"Long story short who gives a flying fart about this pointless Aryan fetish some maniacs have" cyrousg1

Ruling mullahs do. They tried very hard to dismiss Iranians as Aryans and replace that notion with words such as "Sayyid", "Saddat" and "omatt" and replace arabic words instead of Persian words and arab history instead of Persian history. Ongoing war with Iranian heritage and ancient culture. If you didn't know that, you are far from reality my friend. Even text books in high schools are promoting arab culture instead of Persian culture. The stories of Ali and Mohammad in any high school text books are vivid evidence what these monsters are doing to Iran these days. Just take a look at school text books. That is common knowledge and I am surprised you didn't know about it. When mullahs are making movies they show the negative characters such as theivies and criminals as someone who has portrait of Koroush in his house or dress up with suit and tie. On contrary, they show good, kind hearted people with beard and mustach such as Hezbollahs in Lebanans. They call it "Islamic features". Iranians before 1979 were all identify themselves as Aryans. Shah called himself "aryamehr". Just listen to the above paid advertised by stinky mullahs in Iran and you will realize who cares about Aryans. It is mullahs who cares a lot, not ordinary Iranians. All the sudden Iranians are decendant of Mohammad and arabs. Good grief. Vey nationalistic !!!!.

2050

Islam is wrecking Iran not other religions. So it is very fair to dig up dirt on it. Because I want to get Iranians to see it and give it up. The other religions have no real power in Iran so are not a problem. If they were then I would dig dirt on them. Plus I already said I do not think much of the other ones either. Although some are better than other ones.

Now also Islam has the least tolerance and is the most violent. What other religion has the death penalty for leaving it. Tell me which? 

Regarding your religion. I find it hard to believe you are not a Muslim. Your behavior all points to it. Whatever you say but your actions tell a different tale.

• Deeply sensitive to any criticism of Islam.
• Strong hate of old Persian heritage.
• Trying to defend Islam no matter what. 

Baldrick's care for GM plants and flora

VPK, Digging up dirt on

VPK,

Digging up dirt on Islam and letting other religions and ideologies get a free pass is unfair and unjust. I myself am a secular, and do not practice any Islamic teaching, but at the same time, I do not and will not practice ANY religion, whether it’s Zoroastrian, Christianity, Hindu, Judaism or anything else. The reason is because all of them were created to control the masses, simple as that, and in all of them you can see contradictions. That’s what makes them imperfect.

Now, does singling out Islam present a solution? No! All the things you mentioned were and are existent in other cultures and religions as well. You think the practice of marrying young women existed in Islam only at that time? You honestly think that wasn’t happening elsewhere? You think other religions didn’t perpetuate hate and intolerance of others? You think Zoroastrian and Christians and Jews and Hindus and others didn’t kill others in the name of their religion? How do you explain the diversity during the Islamic empire? This is all documented. The biggest migration of Zoroastrians from Iran to abroad happened when Safavid, a nationalistic shite Iranian regime, took power, NOT when the Islamic conquest occurred. During the Islamic period, not only the major religions (including Zoroastrians) lived in relative freedom, although undoubtedly discriminated against, but that happened in most nations those days. There are many versus in Quran that promote harmony, kindness, freedom, friendship, ….how come no one talks about those? Because it’s easy to target Islam these days. Khomeini made it easy, very easy.

All I want is fairness. Islam’s is not the cause of Iran’s ills; Iran’s ills are caused because of lack of disciplined and moral upbringing of our kids, and because we think cheating and stepping over each other and lying is “Zerangi” and because we have institutionalized violence, and because we lack self respect because of 2500 years of absolute and brutal tyranny (1100 years of those 2500 years of oppression were done by anti Muslim non Muslim “Aryan/Persian” kings!).

Those are the causes, NOT Islam, NOT Arabs. Converting to Zoroastrianism from Islam will NOT solve any problem. Getting rid of Arabic words will NOT solve any issue. Belittling and insulting other races and nations will NOT create a democratic Iran.

HG is right

Pretty much anyone who passed through left a bit of sperm :-) That is why Iranians are so diverse!

Regarding JK: go ahead and get a DNA test I am sure if you pay they will do it.

this research reminds me of

this research reminds me of the case of an african tribe that claimed to be descendents of jewish people but were rebuffed by the jewish communities.  after genetic tests, it was revealed that they are indeed jews. 

i think that iran being at the crossroads of ancient trade routes and many differnt nations' conquests renders its' people's genetic make-up to something like ash-e sholghalamkar.

I Care About Science and Genetics

That's in answer to the various "who cares?" comments.

More on race

We may debate this Aryan thing until the cows get home. But it does not matter because it serves no purpose. In America no one gives a *** where you are from. Unless I go and scream "I AM IRANIAN" no one cares.

It is partly ignorance partly indifference and also the diversity. Americans are used to people from all over the place. Over half people I work with are from other places. Indian; Chinese; Israeli; Turk; Arab; Armenian you name it

They just don't give a *** where I am from. My best friends at work are Indian and Israeli followed by Arab Muslim. I am not a Muslim but do not shove it in the face of my Muslim friend. Maybe this is a bigger deal in Europe but in America nobody asks. To be fair I live in a very cosmopolitan area. Probably more than half the population is non white. But who minds? Why should I pretend to be what I am not. My kids get along just fine and have regular friends. The whole race thing is not a big deal for "normal" Iranians in America. It only gets to be something if you want to act "odd". If you wear a chador sure you get some raised eyebrows. If you wear a turbine the same. I used to have a beard and got a lot of flak from other Iranians. They would say that I was a "Hizbollahi"; finally I gave in and shaved it. 

Very Small Sample Size Statistics

 2000 out of a 80 million population? Definitely, results in error and very inconclusive. I bet if he does the same survey in the U.S he will state," Most Americans are Mexican."

cyrousg1 why do you hate Kabab?

Why do you hate Kabab so much? Did someone sell you bad kobideh. Get barg next time it is less likely to be adulterated. 

My identity is very unique. There is just one of me. I was gonna go to Scotland and get cloned but figured the world may not handle it. As for rich; that went out in 2001 with the stock market crash. Again in 2008 with the real estate AND stock market crash. The divorce did not help either. No my identity is barely paying the bills. 

Abdullah fits the appearance better than Aryan

Long story short who gives a flying fart about this pointless Aryan fetish some maniacs have. Whether someone in a university proves one thing or the next the rest of the world will still view Iranians as a bunch of Middle Eastern Abdullahs. Hence the word beginning with A in this case Abdullah fits the appearance of some typical looking Iranian haji kababi better than the other word in focus beginning with an A. Iranians going out of their way to prove they're are not Muslims but Zoroastrians to appear different from their regional neighbours as well as constantly make a big pantomime out of this Aryan jazz need to wake up and smell the coffee. News flash you're from Asia not Europe stop being petty over your annoying identity that you think is so remarkably unique and rich and get on with your damn lives          

Thanks Maryam Hojat for revealing information

"This Reasearcher is on IRI" Maryam Hojat

Yes my dear these are paid mullah's agents who are selling their own nationality, selling their own people for a few bucks they are receiving from stinky mullahs.

There is ongoing propaganda against Iranian race as Aryan which initiated by criminal gang who occupied Iran for last 32 years. This idea never existed when shah was on power. The idea propagates to connect Iranians with arabs in order to justify Islamic gang who are half breed arab bastards so called "sayyid" like sayyid ali khaminie. Just listen carefully ... the guy in the video is saying the "saddat" is connected to mohammad and most iranians are from that arabian tribe. Ha Ha Ha.

the ethno-genesis of the Iranian people as Aryans dates back several thousand years -- it has NOTHING to do with racism or Hitler (who misused the term Aryan when he actually meant "Nordic").  For example, King Darius of Persia makes reference to his Aryan tribal heritage back in 500 B.C. -- obviously he had no idea that Hitler would abuse this word to mean "Nordic."

"I am Darius, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan people ."
[ From the Darius the Great's Inscription in "Naqshe-e-Rostam."

Avesta talk extensively about Aryeh Vaeijou, Arya varta the pre-migration  motherland of Aryeh tribes  whom they left(after Iron & copper age) due to long winters & short summers,& shortage of food. Avesta clearly uses airya as an ethnic name where it appears in expressions such as airyāfi; daiŋˊhāvō "Iranian lands, peoples", airyō.šayanəm "land inhabited by Iranians", and airyanəm vaējō vaŋhuyāfi; dāityayāfi; "Iranian stretch of the good Dāityā", from river Oxus all the way to Ural mountains

Iran roughly means 'Land of the Aryans.

Payandeh our Aryan Land Iran.

JK there is more

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0TQ1gj8GQo

But tell that and 2050 will have a coronary. 

This Reasearcher is on IRI/IRR

Payroll.

If the Aryans Were NOT a Race of Blonds in Central Asia

... so please tell me who are these people, why did they have blond hair and what were they doing in central Asia?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies 

2050

I do not speak for all Iranians or the world just me. So in response to your questions:

1)  Why do we Iranians think “Aryanism” was ever part of our culture? I do not think European Aryanism was ever part of Iranian culture. There are ancient inscriptions about it but the meaning is totally different. 

2)  Tell me VPK, when did people start thinking “Islam is destroying the world”??? I don't know about people just me. When I saw the IRI in action I started to question Islam. Then I did a lot of reading about Mohammad. About his habits like marrying a 6 year old. About his other actions like highway robbery and so on. Then read and re-read the Quoran. Found it to be filled with threats. Read that a Muslim is supposed to hold Mohammad as the perfect human. Also to follow Quoran to the letter. That made me think Islam is a real threat to the world. Any ideology that is so intolerant is dangerous. I read about their treatment of pagans and people NOT of the book. People who refuse to convert to any of the "single God" religions. Pagans; Atheists and those who leave Islam are to be killed. That made me think it is a danger.

It has nothing to to with extremism it is mainstream Islam. Unless you say Quoran is extreme in which case what is Islam. Show me a moderate version. By the way I don't think a whole lot more of the other religions.

VPK, 1-      I know

VPK,

1-      I know that Aryanism was invented by Europeans during the post renaissance era, which brings up the questions, why do we Iranians think “Aryanism” was ever part of our culture? Many of us subscribe to the “Aryanism” ideology by claiming “we always hated Arabs and Turks and pretty much everyone else besides us”, and “we were the great Aryan race”, and “Aryans are superior”…??? So you don’t need to preach me, go preach them and tell them to stop being intolerant bigots and let them know this whole “Aryanism” is a fairytale, and also an insult to at least 50% of Iranians and a threat to building a future democratic Iran.

2-      Tell me VPK, when did people start thinking “Islam is destroying the world”??? Did people perceive Islam as this so called “global threat” prior to the Iranian revolution of 1979???? Was Islam’s image as bad as it is now prior to 1979? The answer is a big fat NO! Don’t blame Islam, blame Khomeini and his cronies for making up crap and introduce them in the name of Islam. All these groups and fundamentalists like Al Qaeda and others are following the footsteps of Khomeini.

You can’t blame what fundamentalists do and say on Islam. Just like any ideology, even non religious like Socialism (Extremist version is Communism), Capitalism (Extremist version is Corporatism perpetuated by right wing Republicans), there are extremists who come up with their own version of that ideology. Now you can conduct empirical thinking and realize that what fundamentalists say and do DOES NOT portray the true face of Islam or Christianity or Capitalism or Socialism, or you can stop thinking and repeat what some idiots claim.

VPK, 1-      I know

VPK,

1-      I know that Aryanism was invented by Europeans during the post renaissance era, which brings up the questions, why do we Iranians think “Aryanism” was ever part of our culture? Many of us subscribe to the “Aryanism” ideology by claiming “we always hated Arabs and Turks and pretty much everyone else besides us”, and “we were the great Aryan race”, and “Aryans are superior”…??? So you don’t need to preach me, go preach them and tell them to stop being intolerant bigots and let them know this whole “Aryanism” is a fairytale, and also an insult to at least 50% of Iranians and a threat to building a future democratic Iran.

2-      Tell me VPK, when did people start thinking “Islam is destroying the world”??? Did people perceive Islam as this so called “global threat” prior to the Iranian revolution of 1979???? Was Islam’s image as bad as it is now prior to 1979? The answer is a big fat NO! Don’t blame Islam, blame Khomeini and his cronies for making up crap and introduce them in the name of Islam. All these groups and fundamentalists like Al Qaeda and others are following the footsteps of Khomeini.

You can’t blame what fundamentalists do and say on Islam. Just like any ideology, even non religious like Socialism (Extremist version is Communism), Capitalism (Extremist version is Corporatism perpetuated by right wing Republicans), there are extremists who come up with their own version of that ideology. Now you can conduct empirical thinking and realize that what fundamentalists say and do DOES NOT portray the true face of Islam or Christianity or Capitalism or Socialism, or you can stop thinking and repeat what some idiots claim.

2050

What Aryanism? You are not reading anything I write they arguing with yourself. I said that Araynism is BS already.

Aryanism is made up Eurpean racism. Did some damage and was contained. Thanfully it is all over now.

Islam is made up Arabian ***. Islam is much worse than anything that came out of Nazi Germany. It is still wrecking the world and needs to be contained.

VPK,   You make me

VPK,

You make me laugh. For the longest time, you are having this extreme sensitivity to whatever I say yet you are never able to make a compelling argument against what I say!!!

Didn’t I tell you for the longest time this whole “Aryanism” you believe in is nothing but a fairytale and you were all up in arms that I was “non Iranian” and “hate Iran” for saying that? well..there you go. Now you know I was right.

Get a grip dude. You sound so desperate trying to hold on to some belief you were indoctrinated to hold on to, but you are unable to get out of the bubble and think for yourself as to the validity of that belief. Freedom from thought and responsibility creates a comfort zone, I get it, but it doesn’t create intellect and a successful society. Always remember that.

As far Islam being destructive that’s just another historical BS that you buddies in the “Aryanism” propaganda machine invented. Every evidence, live and not, proves otherwise. You’re saying Islam was destructive for Iran as if prior to Islam no killing or atrocities or wars or treasons or tyrannies were happening in Iran. If you truly believe that, then you need to take history 101; and not the history that the “Aryanism” folks “INVENTED”.

On the other hand, if you believe that whatever the Akhoonds invented and perpetuate in the name of Islam is actually Islamic, then you have a bigger issue to deal with.

My advice to you is get out of the bubble and think outside of the box.

Science is Not At the Service of Political Correctness

I don't know why people can't understand what the results of the studies show.

They DON'T disprove that the Aryans were a race, or that they physically invaded Iran.

What they prove is that out of the thousand or so people tested, there was little or no evidence of a genetic legacy left by them.

If the scientist was searching for such a genetic legacy, that means that he was looking for particular markers - which means that he was associating those markers with Aryans. 

That means that he was assuming that Aryans were a race.

Right? 

The study's basic assumption seems to be that the Aryans were genetically distinct from the indigenous population of Iran.

If that's the assumption, then the scientist isn't denying that Aryans were a race.

He's saying that based on the results he found, there appears to be little genetic legacy left from them among modern Iranians - at least within the population sample he tested. 

Dear Anglo

No problem and I am not at all offended. It is a mistake and not to worry about. I do not dislike British but am just saying what I have seen. I wish they would be more supportive of real Iranian freedom.

But they chose to back Khomeini. This is not my doing or my fault. I much rather they did not. What could I say?

I really would prefer if it was different. 

Medieval NeoNazi?

Nazi did not even exist until the Third Rich! How is it Medieval anyway. Dude you are always trying to find a way to attack Iranians. It is a European idea not Iranian and had no hand in "destruction of Iran".

The greatest cause of any destruction of Iran is Islam. Get it in your head 2050 Iranians are not racist. It is Islamist who fear Iranian identity who make up racist claims. You may repeat the same thing a million time but it is still not true.

Thank you science!

All I can say is thank god that science is disproving these racist intolerant medieval Nazi-type “Aryan” nonsense ideology that so many Iranians misguidedly have been brainwashed to hold on to! They think loving one’s home country equals believing in a fairy tale dangerous chauvinist belief of racial purity and racial superiority.

An ideology that resulted in the destruction of Iran and keeping us back and backward. An ideology that is shameful, embarrassing and a threat for a future and democratic Iran. No one talks about their perceived “racial superiority” in the world like some of these brainwashed Iranians do!

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Dear VPK,

May apologies for getting it wrong. I had no intension of intruding into your private life but because sometime ago you had said that there was someting British about your ex-wife I mistakenly assumed that you must have had bad experiences with the Brits. In any case I am sorry for brining this matter into the discussion.

Ms Rea 

What did the white Americans leave for or did to the red Indians? Not to mention their treatment of the black people and slavary. If you want to bring into this discussion the treatment of the indegenous natives in the hands of the people who occupied their land and colonised them I can't imagine any nation of significance to come away clean.

But have you ever asked yourself why the US culture is so much "despised" by the countries in Europe and Asia with a deep rooted history and well established culture?  Why is that the Ameican culture is regarded as anti-culture by the people of France, Germany, Britain and  many other well established countries of Europe whose immigrants built America? Why is it that many "posh" American families who want to show off their culture send their childern to the top British schools and universities? If you find the answer to these questions then you may have a point to be debated.

Dear Amir

I am interested to know where the evidence for a large part of what you claim is. I am not glorifying the British. I simply state the fatcs. The trouble with the Iranian mindset is that we have been so deeply Daiejan Napoleonised   that any thing said in favour of the Brits is labelled as glorification. There are 54 soverign countries that constitute the Commonwealth and the majority fo them were former British colonies. The head of the Commonwealth is the British monarch. Why do yo think these nation are part of the Commonwelath? Do yuo think if these nations had parted with this tiny Island of Britain out of spite or as you claim in a brutal and painful manner, would they have had any reason to continue with teir brutal colonisers? Why were the people of Hong Kong so deeply agast at the idea of joining their former owners which is now that economic giant of China? Is it because they (the British) gave them less than they took from them?

The British had no material wealth to give to any nation and yes they took their share of the wealth they deservedly or undeservedly claimed but in rturn tey gave the plotical and administrative structure that these nations needed msot and that is why they are still attached to their former colonisers. 

Ms Souri

I am sorry that I didn't make you laugh as much as your "bugger" friend has done but I am not here to make you love or hate the British. I am here to cure those Iranians who have suffered from the disease of Daijan Napoleonsim. And as for the other fellow, I have no care in the world for the Islamic demcoracy as it is a conflict in terms. Islam has never given rights  to its followers but has chained them in rules. Now you may take it or leave it madam.