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Dear Siavash

"Remember Islam rots the brain so it may be just natural."

Yes I said it and will stand by it. But it is not the only thing. Self hatred as demonstrated by some also does that. We must be proud of our heritage. There is no shame in being Iranians. Very much the opposite it is a source of pride (not the kind before the fall).

Some people in airport kissed A.N's  face.

Rest assured I was not one of them. We shall reclaim our nation. And make it safe for ALL races and people who live in Iran. In my vision there is no racism or division based on religion. Acceptance and tolerance just like Cyrus the Great advocated.

Iran's enemies

"Remember Islam rots the brain so it may be just nattural."

                                                        Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

I agree with above statement for people who are illiterate and live in Iran. They have been brainwashed by stinky mullahs for last 32 years. But I don't agree with those who live in western world and were exposed to western culture and speak 2 or 3 different languages as this guy Sadegh Khaen. Did I say Sadegh Khaen? sorry , I mean Sadegh Khan.

These kind of people know exactly what they are doing and they are fully aware of our brothers and sister who were buried in Unmarked mass graves in cemetary of Beheshe zahra according to idea of lizard eater arab's law. The name of that law is FATWA. They are fully aware our virgin sisters were being raped the night before their execution by stinky mullahs orders. They are fully aware of dramatic murder of our beloved sister Neda. I am sure they are pro mullahs not because they like mullah's body odors. They get benefit from them. Either they are on payroll or they get some kind of benefits from those bastards. They back stab their own people and sell their country cheap. Islamic Ministry of information spend a lot of our oil money to fullfill the pocket of these kind of people just to help mullahs stay on power and continue their parasit life on the shoulder of our poor people. Just look at the video of A.N who entered in New York airport. Some people in airport kissed A.N's  face. I am sure some of them are on this site. There were also  some Fatima in that video. Uneducated mullahs couldn't survive for last 32 years. They were able to survive because of these people who educated in western world and help them stay on power. 

Sincerely,

Siavash  

amirparviz Jan

I know all the tricks BBC is up to. I have read about them and how they operated since WWII. Yes they often present a fair picture so they are perceived as such. Then when time is right they hit with total propaganda. 

You are right and they should be addressed and responded to. My point was more specific to this blog and IC. With normal people your approach will work. But with regard to Iran hating Islamists it is a waste of time.

Thankfully their numbers and credibility is on the decline. Hence the shrill anger. I say let them be angry so what. The more they attempt to bash real Iranian identity the more people resist.

VPK I'm not sure that strategy will work with BBC

The number of people that go to view its reports due to their advertising budget is enormous.  To give you an idea the UK Lords spend more on bbc advertising than on their own airforce and military combined.  If we were talking about just 40 million daily viewers I could let go of it, they dwarf that number.  What is worse is in each area they have some reports that are non manipulative and show the other side of the story that their bosses are working against, but when they want to use their soft power to get their way and they know exactly how.  The solution is actually to address it, critic it and create a response of our own, else they will have too much impact.  I am going to use some of the bbc interviews in my next blog that are opposing their bosses agenda.

amirparviz Jan

,,,bbc has been doing wonders for the basiji that don't want to acknowledge any culture existed before islam and for imperalists that want to destroy our native culture and support a backward islamic one that meets their goals by wanting to govern a society in an anti-secular way.

I know and you are right. But you are dealing with people who are on the side of BBC. Arguing with them is a waste of time. The thing to do is to stop taking BBC seriously. It is a joke and getting worse. 

The *** out of BBC is only as good as how many people pay attention to it. Make fun of it and do not give them credit. Hopefully the financial woes of Britain will defund them soon and that is it. If not the world is on to them already.

My problem is with those who help the basiji's

I have no problem with any study as long as it does not have a manipulative agenda, if we are doing a study to undermine racism and can prove the points great, ie educate people we are of may races, but this study, does a nasty manipulation, it supports this notion that an Aryan Race exists! and then studies that only some are part of this race, this is manupulative and harmful to our Culture, which is Aryan along with many other peoples.  Of course bbc has been doing wonders for the basiji that don't want to acknowledge any culture existed before islam and for imperalists that want to destroy our native culture and support a backward islamic one that meets their goals by wanting to govern a society in an anti-secular way.

amirparviz Jan

You are absolutely right but reason works with open minds. Not with people who have the same agenda as BBC. 

Any idiot at a university may do a "scientific" research and write some BS. 

Sadegh Bozorgmehr and others to clarify the issue

I know we've already addressed the key point many times on this blog, but just to clarify for you and other new visitors.  The BBC article manipulates science for its own political agenda.  How so?  It pretends it is doing a study of the "aryan race,"  the study is talking about genetics and the racial background of Iranians, even though no such Aryan race exsts!  Why is the study pointless & wrong?  Because except for a few racists, islamists, fasicts and imperialists, no one else has an Agenda to misuse the concept of Aryan as a Race. Aryan is not a Race to be genetically studied and never was. 

Aryan is linguistic group, that gave rise to a Culture.  That Aryan Culture, was not racist but made of of many different races, it included dark indians all the way to light Irish/English/Germanic people, but not all light people are part of The Aryan Culture, for example Slavs up north are whiter and blonder than many yet they have their own culture/language base.  Fascists like hitler misused the Aryan Culture by portraying it as a racial issue, racists, islamists and imperialists all have uses for discussing the "Aryan Race" a lie repeated many times, as if to try ad bury an Aryan Culture that belonged to many races, for the bbc to report on the study of a scientist, studying racial genetics, which has no bearing on Aryan Culture makes it quite manipulative.

Guy

I've said my piece, go play with yourself

Guys

Go find someone else to play with I am busy.

Dear Veiled Prophet of smug innuendoes

Just in case on the off chance that possibly maybe you were trying to insinuate I was either a muslim or a beyond that an Islamist good luck ever finding me saying anything positive about Islam especially in its politicised form (and if you could I'd retract that in a heartbeat). Quite the contrary I find contemporary Iran contemptible for the very reason that it has an Islamist form of government in power. Its also laughable when certain contemporary Iranians go out of their way and to painstaking lengths to disassociate themselves from Islam like it never had anything to do with their own family's history. For example frowning upon Pakistanis because they are muslims when your own grandparents were a bunch of pious haji babas. In regards to you talking about mentioning the 'AR' word as you put it (Aryan) as a swear word let me right now give a potent example of the context in which I take up issue with that words use: //iranian.com/main/blog/anonymous-observe...

This vulgar little man first refers to Iranians as in fact Aryans "a video generalizing Jews as evil snakes who want to slither behind the backs of Aryan Iranians" then at the end of his delightful contribution to IC says "I feel no sadness at the death of Arabs, and I would feel no remorse if I could push a button to make all Arabs disappear" What a repugnant vile thing to say. Even if he was quoting someone else as classifying Iranians as Aryans, its usually these Iranian ultra nationalist racist types  that tend to jump on this whole Aryan band wagon which you Veiled Prophet are apparently so oblivious to. Aryan isn't a swear word and ordinarily I could care less what Iranians want to call themselves but when it becomes part of this whole ultra-nationalistc revolting racism (which it often does) then I have an issue with it.           

VPK on the record

Just so we are clear, VPK, you are saying that you do not care what a scientific study says. You strike me as the anti-science type, but I'm happy that you explicitly admit you are in order to spare us from guessing. 

Dear Siavash

I know and agree for most part with you. Not sure if they get money or are just naturally this way. Remember Islam rots the brain so it may be just nattural. But their use of pre-Islamic icons relly gives them away.

Here are VPK instructions on how to tell an "Iranian" Islamist:

• They claim not to be Muslim but defend Islamism tooth and nail. Remember Tagiyyeh aka lying for Islam is allowed and promoted.
• They use pre-Islamic names or symbols in a cynical attempt to stink it up with their Islamism.
• They hate anything that is Iranian specially pre-Islamic. 
• They blame everything on Israel.
• They say they oppose IRI but really oppose anything that might put any pressure on IRI.
• They use the word "Aryan" as if it was a swear word.

If someone fits all the above you got a 99.99 % chance of them being Islamist. Yes we got a few right here.

Dear VPK, this is what I was talking about

Do you remember once I said that many of our people selling Iran and Iranian people for a few bucks they're receive from stinky mullahs ?  You were telling me that it is their believe system and they don't receive money.  I still strongley believe these KHAENS, (not khan) are selling their country and their people very cheap to mullahs by taking side with barbaric idea of lizard eater arabs. These are the ones who keep mullahs on power for last 32 years. Forgest about controling the country, stinky mullahs can not even control their body odors. Khaens who were educated in western world keep those monsters on power. We see these khaens on this site every now and then. Shame on them.

Sadegh Khan

On the other blog you were trying to convince us we are all Muslims like it or not! In this one you want to claim that Shah supporters are racist. I don't think so and it ain't flying. The real racists are Islamists. They hate anything Iranian and their cynical use of pre-Islam icons shows it. Iranians culture was never racist and I explained it many times including this blog. Won't bother doing it again. The short of it is: I don't give a *** what some article in BBC says.

Nor do I care if Iranians are Aryan or not because it does not matter to me. The one thing which matters is to see Islam discredited. The Islamic Republic is doing that. As are the other Islamists. Therefore I need to do nothing but watch.

Bye Islam people are on to you and bye to 1400 years of hell.

Great nation of Iran makes their own history

"......If its not Islam/Arabs fault its Jimmy Carter's, the west's, America's or Britain's fault for Iran being in the state it is, never Iranian people's fault" Cyrusg1

There are so many people who make it sounds like over 70 millions of Iranians are like statues,  standing idelly, waiting for foreign powers make Iran government.  Our great nation makes it's own history, Not outsiders or foreign establishments.

    The blood of Neda, Sohrab,......... and Taraneh mousavi and thousands others shape our history in near future, not some meetings in washington , in Benjin, in Moscow or in London. The blood of those who were buried in unmarked mass graves in cemetary of Behesh-e-Zahra  will makes Iran's history. The cry of mothers who lost her loved ones by Khomainie's Fatwa will make Iran's history.

 In 1953, the power of our great nation brought shah back to power. Those who don't trust our great people gives all credit to few CIA or FBI agents. That is insult to our people. The power of our great nation pursuaded shah to leave the country in 1979. I am very much sure if shah was still alive he would have been returned to crown in early 80's. He would have returned not because Moscow, or Washington or Benjin or London wanted. No, he would have returned because our great nation would have wanted our shah to return. after experiencing these Islamic monsters. The Islamic monsters promised them the moon, but they delievered death and destruction instead. Any Iranian should trust our people. Future belong to them and nobody else.

Payendeh our Aryan Land Iran.

I Love your Icon Sadegh

Do you know what it represents, the meaning behind it?

The Monarchists that this may have been a fatal blow to hopefully did leave, the persian monarchy which is based on aryan culture isn't a place for Racists, its for people that create unity based of time tested philosophies grounded in mathematics, arts and sciences.

Shahis no longer have a political platform

Does anyone have any statistics on the number of Shahis that committed suicide after hearing this news? Joking of course, but this seems like a fatal blow to the political platform of many monarchists. 

Help buys the good will of the masses.

People in Iran used to Love America and its culture due to the help they provided, then when they used their ideals "present in our desires" to kill the gradual rebirth of democracy during shahs era and instead help Khomeini take over the masses now feel deeply betrayed by America, by their own intellectuals for selling Iran out.  In the future China will be the source of greatest help for Iranian Freedom due to their own interests and without a doubt a new generation of iranians will again look outside themselves and be inspired by the chinese unity, stability, good will and strength and ask for Iran to be a Secular Single Party System, because the chinese will be the greatest purchasers of goodwill in iran due to what they do , as well as the #1 power in the world.

I wish Iranians would look inside and build based not on what others are doing but what works for them to be #1. Like the chinese we need to build gradually and independently.  We all know what system brings iranians into the modern age the best and has given us the most tolerant, cooperative, creative and wise leaders.

Dear Mullahkosh

I have given up on any meaningful conversion with those you mention. You are welcome to try my best wishes. Personally I do not care what people said during Reza Shah times. I am much more worried about now.

But for the record yes at that time people were fascinated by it. Why: because they found some European nation "Germany" who sided with us. After centuries of being trashed by Britain and Russian we had a friend. It does not take a genius to figure people are going to be interested in their reasons and their culture. German Nazi said "Iranians are our lost cousins and we help you kick British ***". Iranians said "Great do it!".  Duh well of course Iranians welcomed the one help they got.

Now is a totally different world. We got to adjust to it and move on. I am not going to bother arguing with those guys over this issue no more.

anglophile

So you're clever enough to correct a typo, don't suck your self off too hard over it, its impressive but not that impressive   

Manners cyrousg1 not manors!

Have your manors, then discuss arguments

I have no problem debating anyone on this site, backing up arguments etc. However I'm not here to get personal, so if people like Mullahkosh want to make smug slimy remarks like "Seems like our half redneck, white-Aryan wanna be, know-it-all resident has found his long lost brother" and then resort to name calling like "these two clowns", I could always just as easily tell that person to straight up go and f*** your mother. Its fine by me, we can deviate from a civilised way of discussing to name calling and abuse, but thats not why I'm here. I've seen on a number of occasions people calling the other user baldrick and redneck because they think it makes them look clever and witty when they're just demonstrating their own lack of class. I don't need to be put in the same category as any other person on this site I'm my own person and don't have much time for jumping on other people's band wagon. If people want to take the high moral ground and get all indignant, outraged or sanctimonious about what I just said they should also learn to behave themselves first rather than make cute remarks because in their mind their argument is correct and thus entitles them to do so.    

cyrousg1 concern

"whenever Iranians want to get nationalistic the first thing they say is we are Aryans (to demonstrate superiority to their regional neighbours) and the next is either how wonderful monarchy is or how backwards Arabs are." cyrousg1

This idea has been around for many years. Long before these Islamic gang took over Iran in 1979. That had been Iranians mentality for many centuries.If you don't believe me ask you grand father or anyone who lived during the time of Reza Shah the Great. This mentality in not something new and has nothing to do with current regime.

Iranian culture is deeply flawed

There is no doubt, as has been discussed on this site extensively by many many others, that Iranian culture is deeply flawed. This has nothing to do with the current regime in Iran, or Arabs. Although, the Arab invasion of Iran is certainly a contributing factor to the present day challenges. No need to repeat those flaws, they have been mentioned here, and else where. Yes, we know that Iran is a third, perhaps even a fourth rate nation. We know the uncivility is pervasive throughout the country. These are known facts. But what are the root causes of these issues? What can be done to fix them? Certainly, there is no short term solution, and it would take generations to fix some of these issues. Or may be they will never be fixed. Perhaps Iran had "its" turn on the top, and its shelf life as a civilization has expired.

One more comment for our Cyrous. If you hate it so much, and if the uncivility in Iran offends you so much, why do you go there? To show off, and tell everyone that you live in the U.S? I don't understand the Iranians that go back and forth every year, and at the end of the trip, all they have to say is how it sucked to be there. Guess what? I hate lawlessness, I despise it, and I have not stepped my foot in that land in the past 27 years. I refuse to go back until the government changes. Why don't you do that? Why don't you boycott it, instead of contributing to its economy by traveling there?

I'm Not Ashamed of My Iranian Ancestry

For whatever reason, Iranians that I AM criticizing, think that they are the embodiment of everything Iranian.

They aren't.

Some smart person out there can read between the lines of my stuff, and tell which Iranians I admire.

They're not here reading my stuff, of course. 

khorasan

"accusations are simple", being petty is also simple I've been looking at this site on and off for years do you think I can remember what specific blog or what embedded video and which specific user. I'm not like you to be on this all the time, and I'm sure you just acknowledge what suits you and disregard what doesn't suit you. Do you really mean to tell me that you think the only time the 'AR' word as you put it is used in the context of Iranians is when outsiders like the dreaded pan-turks or pan-arabs or the tooth fairy or the boogyman inject it into discussion to say hey look how racist and ethnocentric Iranians are. News flash Iranians are racist and ethnocentric they even call their own kind (azeris) tork-e khar never mind actual foreigners. Saying 'no the AR word has just been flung at us by the horrible outside world to besmirch our otherwise noble and open to outsiders mentality' is just your self-serving conspiratorial mind getting a bit too carried away with itself. Then to top it all off you're gonna tell me to "back off" when you're challenging me on what I'm adding to this thread. Again don't mention "the other guy" as I said thats your business nothing to do with me.  I would still take you more seriously despite all that if you didn't then tell me "If you want to think I am in denial fine it is your right. Good for you". Whether its good for me or bad for me of course its my right who else's right would it be. You just want to be overly petty and have a bad case of 'I must have the last word syndrome'. 

cyrousg1

You did say on the IC there is all this talk of it. That is what I want examples of. Not of your personal interactions. Accusations are simple but proving is very hard. So you back off just like the other guy.

I knew and is why I called the bluff. In reality Iranians are not obsessed with the "AR" word. It is brought by people who are because they want to trash Iranians. To hit Iranians by using a European made racist idea. Thank you for proving my point.

Regarding Islam yes it does have some Zoroastrian elements. I have said it myself before. The problem is it is missing all the good stuff. I guess we are in agreement on it. If you want to think I am in denial fine it is your right. Good for you.

No need to clarify the catastrophic nature of Islam

Give you examples lol, what do you want me to say oh last week at Golnaz's house Jamshid said Aryans are cool, or when I was round Bahram's for ghorme sabzi Sepideh said Iranians are better than Turks and Arabs due to the fact they are Aryans...get real. Its not one, two, three or even four specific occasions. I've been around this Iranian chauvinism for years and this Aryan stuff always comes up when Iranians get too carried away in making love to themselves. If you want to be in denial and act like you don't know what I'm talking about then thats your choice. If you want to tell me "Islam is a problem" then I don't think you read what I said properly. Of course Islam is the primary problem in the country's current mess, I don't need you or anyone else to tell me that, the point is when that gets used to say its not Iranians fault its Islam as Islam is a foreign culture. After 1400 years of being in Iran Islam and now shia Islam to one extent or the next has become an intrinsic part of the culture as well as whatever residual elements of Zoroastrianism. "Iranian people share a responsibility for the IRI mess" lol they're the main people responsible never mind 'share' as the I.R.I is made up of Iranians. IC doesn't represent the thoughts of Iranians because it is liberal, ok whose thoughts does it represent Chinese people's? If someone called you a racist, then you proved you weren't and that person didn't apologise thats your business.        

Dear cyrousg1

You bring a lot of issues up so here we go:

• Aryan: please give me some examples of non-anti Iranians talking of Aryan. The ones I see on IC are by people with an axe to grind. Pan-Turkish for example. I do not see regular people wasting time on it.
• Yes of course Iranian people share responsibility for the IRI mess. I have said it. AO and many others have said it. But Islam is also a key factor. There is not one single factor but many. Islam is a key ingredient in the poison.
• Islam is a problem and the proof is in the pudding. Why is not one Islamic nation worth living in. The stronger the Islamic law the less desirable. In my opinion because today Islam stifles free thought.

By the way IC has a very liberal blog policy, Therefore a blog on IC does not mean it represent what is on mind of Iranians.

Another poster recently called me a racist but was unable to provide any proof. When I posted links proving the opposite the poster did not respond. I would have expected an apology but then why bother.