JEWS

مسئله کلیمیان

 مسئله یهوایان یک مسئله جدیدی نیست. با مطالعه تاریخ متوجه میشویم که شروع کننده و بوجود آورنده مسئله ای بنام یهودیان کسی غیر ازمحمد تازی نیست. در رابطه با کاری که محمد شروع نموده با مشاوره ها ئی که از سلمان فارسی دریافت مینمود، برمحمد یقین حاصل شده بود که با نزدیک نمودن خود به کلیمیان مدینه (اکثریت جمعیت مدینه را تشکیل میدادند) خواهد توانست آنهارا متقاعد کند که او همان مسیح و یا پیغمبری است که در انتظارش بوده اند. ولی باگذشت زمان محمد نتوانست یهودیانرا متقاعد کند که مسیح است. در عوض باوریهودیان روز بروز بیشتر میشد که او مرد شیادی است که بر نامه های یلند پروازانه ای برای به قدرت رسیدن دارد.دشمنی محمد با کلیمیان روز بروز بالاگرفت بطوری که ازهرمسائله کوچکی محمد بهره گرفته و علیه کلیمیان اقدام میکرد. این دشمنی وعداوت تا جائی پیش رفت که، وفتی نمود قدرت کافی دارد دو تا ازسه قبیله یهودی را وادار نمود که هستی و نیستی خودشانرا بگذارند راه بیا بان پیش گیرفته مدینه را ترک کنند، هال بکجا بروند وچگونه با خدا بود. در مورد قبیله سوم بنام بنی قریض سر نوشت بس اسفناکتربود. چنانکه به فرمان قاضی منتصب از طرف محمد و تائید خود محمد تازی بنا شد تمام مردان قبیله را گردن بزنند . در یک روز و در حضور خو این پیغمبر الله،  گردن بیش از 700 نفر از مردان قبیله بنی قریض توسط علی پسر ابی طالب وداماد محمد تازی گردن زده و کشتند؛ بعد از این عملیات شنیع و غیر انسانی در همان شب زن رئیس قبیله بنی قریض را که بسیار زیبا بودمحمد به بستربرده و با او جماع نمود. دیگر زنان و بچها ها را محمد به اسیر گرفت و بعنوان برده فروخته شدند. این وقایع ریشه اصلی عداوت بین باورمندان اسلامی و کلیمیان است. تمام این واقعیات را میتوان در تاریخ طبری یافت.

یهودیان به حق در مکان فعلی "اسرائیل" سکونت نموده، روزی محمد تازی دارای قدرت شد کلیمیانرازخانه و اشیانه هایشان در مدینه بیرون وآواره بیابان ها نمود و یا آنهارا قتل وعام نمود، آن روز کسی نبود که به حال زارآن آوارگان اشک بریزد و گریه کند ولی امروز هزاران بیخبراز مسئله بحال آنهائی که فلسطینی نامیده میشوند گریه میکنند و دوباره میخواهند فاجعه محمد را تگرار نمایند. ولی نمیدانند "هرگز" آن واقعه وهولکاست تکرار نخواهد شد اگر بقیمت آن باشد که یک ملیارد مسلمان کشته شوند. قلسطینی ها میتوانند آن زمین هائی را که محمد از کلیمیها درمدینه قصب نمود ادعا کنند.

Maghshoosh

Yes I respect your opinion. But please note, for me to write a research paper on something that has already been done and printed and ready to be bought and read would not produce much and my intention was not to do a book reivew or scholary search. All about this topic is in Mr. Majd's book both available in English and Persian translation.  The genocide I am looking at is an ongoing event. My focus is on intervention by foreigners in Iranian affairs. Be it hoarding of Iranian food and sending it to Baku to keep Iranian starve, allocating whatever food that was available to only Jewish and Armenian population all the way to what went on in Pahlavi era and hightened during the Islamic Republic.

So, to recap my statement about Iranian Cultural genocide and Holocaust is a best suited title in my opinion, to bring up the issue of Iranian suffering from a nation of zealot Muslims to a deprived nation of innocent people caught in the grip of International turmoils.  There are plenty of sympathy with the Jewish Holocaust, but it is unfortunate that the American documents were de-classified when just about everyone would have remembered the attorcities committed in Iran during 1917 famine is either dead or was a child and does not remember anything. So, it is an open field for anyone to deny it based on veriety of arguments. But today we are alive and we should document our ongoing genocide and Holocaust.

If we add all the MKO, Moarchists, Military officers, Fadayies, College Students, the victims of Iran-Iraw war, lack of medicine available to millions due to economic sanctions, you can easily come up with a very substantial number to claim that what goes on in Iran in the hands of the regime clearly qualifies as a genocide and a Holocaust of Iranians, physically and culturally. What else can I say. I am a Holocaust survivor and I am witnessing it as we speak.

Where's the denial or denigration of Iranian casualties?

Jeesh Daram @ 7:38p, "from denial all the way to a lower figure," certainly does not describe what I have said below.  From the beginning I referenced sources that mention a famine in the 1917-1920 period.  The issue has been the scale of it as related by Majd, based on which you would like the event to be publicized as an "Iranian Holocaust" or genocide.  For someone who is a non-expert on the issue but wants to have an objective understanding and not simply throw slogans around, the reasonable course of action is to refer to various recognized authorities on the topic and form an informed opiinion based on that.  That's all I've tried to do, even if in a cursory manner.

Your claim that "exactly like the issue of Jewish Holocaust ... that it took place is far more important than the precise number," while to some extent agreeable as a moral statement, is not consistent with your initial position that Majd's figures of 8-10 million casualties qualify the Iranian famine as a "Holocaust" which should be widely advertised.  (As a side note, even though this is not your main point, your statement that "like the issue of Jewish Holocaust ... we dispute the six million to few hundred thousands," is not correct.  Recognized scholars on the topic put the casualty estimates of that event at around 5 to 6 million.  Figures like a "few hundred thousands" are quoted by the kind of "scholars" that get invited to Ahmadinejad's conferences.)  Another point that would be relevant to labeling the Iranian event as "genocide" is the issue of intent and planning, and I don't know what various historians have to say on that point.

You state your general motivation as "I just can't stand anyone denying Iranian being murdered, ruined and belittled."  But how & where specifically do you think this denigration of Iranian casualties was done?  If you're referring to the original topic of the blog, while I've mentioned that the author has a confused view of anti-semitism in Iran, I don't see her article as denigrating Iranian victims of any disaster.

تفاوت بین یهودیان و اسرائیل مانند تفاوت مسلمانان وجمهوری اسلامی

نویسنده فراموش کرده است بنویسد که یکی از اموزش کنندگان سازمان مخوف ساوراک ، سازمان امنیت اسرائیل موساد بوده است.

یکی از دلایل اصلی سرنگونی شاه ، عملکرد ساواک بود

During the 1960s, the Mossad developed close relations with SAVAK, the intelligence service of Iran under the shah 

همانگونه که جنایت علیه یهودیان محکوم  هست جنایت اسرائیل علیه شهروندان عرب خود نیز محکوم است

کم نیستند یهودیانی که مخالف شیو ه های غیر دموکراتیم و ستنگرانه اسرائیل هستند.

باید بین اسرائیل و یهودیان تفاوت قانل شد.

اسرائیل بر روی سرزمنیهای اشغالی بنا شده است . نیاد اسکان گروهی به قیمت اواره شدن گروه دیگر ی شود. کاری که اسرائیل باعث اواره شدن میلیونها فلطسینی شده است

کاری که جمهوری اسلامی علیه میلیونها شهروند خود منجمله یهودیان ایرانی انجام داده است 

Saeed Soltanpour

روزنامه نگارو فعال حقوق بشر در تبعید - تورنتو

www.kanoun-e-bayan.blogspot.com

www.politic

تفاوت بین یهودیان و اسرائیل مانند تفاوت مسلمانان وجمهوری اسلامی

نویسنده فراموش کرده است بنویسد که یکی از اموزش کنندگان سازمان مخوف ساوراک ، سازمان امنیت اسرائیل موساد بوده است.

یکی از دلایل اصلی سرنگونی شاه ، عملکرد ساواک بود

During the 1960s, the Mossad developed close relations with SAVAK, the intelligence service of Iran under the shah 

همانگونه که جنایت علیه یهودیان محکوم  هست جنایت اسرائیل علیه شهروندان عرب خود نیز محکوم است

کم نیستند یهودیانی که مخالف شیو ه های غیر دموکراتیم و ستنگرانه اسرائیل هستند.

باید بین اسرائیل و یهودیان تفاوت قانل شد.

اسرائیل بر روی سرزمنیهای اشغالی بنا شده است . نیاد اسکان گروهی به قیمت اواره شدن گروه دیگر ی شود. کاری که اسرائیل باعث اواره شدن میلیونها فلطسینی شده است

کاری که جمهوری اسلامی علیه میلیونها شهروند خود منجمله یهودیان ایرانی انجام داده است 

Saeed Soltanpour

روزنامه نگارو فعال حقوق بشر در تبعید - تورنتو

www.kanoun-e-bayan.blogspot.com

www.politic

OKtaby

You are correct and what makes it so sad is that European carried out the Holocaust and we Iranians ended up holding the bag today! It's outrageous that the author of this article attempts her Iranian-bashing just like all the other pro-Isreal and Jewish alliance do on the entire Internet day in day out, to insult Iran and Iranians and pointing out how vulnerable Israel is because of dangers from Iran.

Israel spent millions to make sure Ahamdinejad wins the election during both his first and second term, because in the absence of someone like Ahmadinejad who else would make that prima donna government of Israel look like a victim of the Iranian assault and then get away with any crime in the region from assacinations to kidnapping?

All Iranians regardless of their religion should only focus on the Iranian cultural Holocaust and genocide. If every Iranian attempt to shows and speaks up on how we are being victimized we will have a better chance than constantly talking about Islam and Sheism and self debasement.

We should not be ashamed to speak up as victims. Ahmadinejaad has been helping Isarel more than any human being on earth.  He should receive an honorary citizenship of Israel even it happens to be posthumously someday. Yet we are the victims.

Mass murdered

By the Millions:

Chinese, Russians, Cambodians, Congolese, North Koreans, Iranians, Armenians...

But since forever we have seen, heard, read and force fed Shindlers List type movies, heard holocaust references, made to feel guilty because a twisted sicko like Hitler went at it....and somehow anyone not born in U.S. (a Christian, not relabled Judeo-Christian), has to swear that we are not anti-semites before you are admitted as a citizen of these United States of America !?

But hardly (Roots excluded) hear about 4 times the number of jews  that died in slave trade. Never mind tens of millions who suffered a lifetime without becoming part of of that 20or so  Million...

Israel (not jews) is a religious and hence an artificial construct that was created and has survived based on twisted and bloody politics of 20th century. If victims got a country because they were victims of genocide or discrimination or wrath of others for whatever reason, there would be another 700 or so countries in addition to what we have now plus 700 more PC terms we have to stick to. Just like there is no such thing as Palestine, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Belitz or Lichtenstein....in a classic sense of nation with a distinct continuous history, language and culture.

But this article is another in the line of confused and irrelevant non sense that the author here tends to perpetuate and about what? anti-semitism of Iranian politicians? Khoemini and rest of rapist republic could not exist where it not for these made up enemies. Those before them were no more or less anti-semite or anti-whatever than the rest of this planet.  Israel and zionism could not be what it is today without never ending war and animous they perpetuate as Khomeini and islamist or Hitler did.

I think this article is looking and wanting to find something that ain't there; By virtue of it's own utterly confused logic Ms. Afshari qualifies as: anti Black (I mean African American), anti-Armenian, Anti-Congolese, Anti-Iranian and anti a few other things because not only she lacks context, but has missed all above points and manged to bring a heretoforth insignificant issue (in broad scheme of things) to top of the chart, albeit mostly in her own mind. I don't recall any of those Nobel winners bleeding for Iranians or anyone else or calling their political figures anti-Arab, anti-America (remember bombing of Americans in Suez and few spy cases against their benefactor U.S.?), anti-human...

I like to repeat divaneh's question. What is your point? and why now? rape and genocide of Iranians ongoing as we speak is not provocative enough for you?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

//www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

Oktaby

Abrahamian and others

So, from denial all the way to a lower figure! I am well familar with those writings too. One has to realize during the Shah and  Pahlavi in general you rarely can find articles that would assault or accuse British government of anything. In fact the only book that was allowed to discuss anything about the British was the worthless and damaging book that insulted Iranians common goal of liberating themsleves from the grip of the British interferences in Iran. From that point on if you speak about the British the children of Besazo-beforoosh generation will refer you that book and accuse you of being paranoid and conspiracy theorist.

Majd, clearly states that to find a source to cooperate with him for such manifestation became almost impossible and University Press barely accepted the contract.

Be it ten millions or two millions is exactly like the issue of Jewish Holocaust that while we know it happend, we dispute the six million to few hundred thousands. The fact that it took place is far more important than the precise number. If anyone had any contacts with elites of Pahlavi era as I did thanks to my family due to their education and not their position, he would find out the absence of any reference to the British attrocities in Iran was a big no no during the Pahlavi. Majd also mentions that no one cooperated with him at the academic level because it would have been extremely damaging to accuse a "western government" hence the British of the crime of genocide....

Thank you Maghshoosh for pointing to these references. I just can't stand anyone denying Iranian being murdered, ruined and belittled and in the course of such thoughts I get carried away. You are a good person.

Some views of Majd's investigations

I did a cursory check of Ervand Abrahamian's book "A History of Modern Iran" for references to Majd's book & conclusions.  He only mentions it in the "Notes" section towards the end of his book to elaborate on the population count of Iran at the time.  Here's the full excerpt from p. 196 of Abrahamian's book:

"Conventional demographers estimate the total population in 1900 to have been fewer than 10 million. They do so by projecting back the 1956 census – the first national census carried out in Iran. These back projections, however, overlook the drastic losses suffered in the 1917–21 period brought about by war, famine, cholera, and the flu pandemic. For a somewhat exaggerated discussion of these losses see M. G. Majd, The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia, 1917–1919 (New York: University Press of America, 2003). For a conventional back projection see C. Issawi, Economic History of Iran, 1800–1914 (Chicago: Chicago University Press, 1971), pp. 26–34. Morgan Shuster, who as a chief financial advisor had direct interest in the topic, estimated the total population in 1912 to be more than 12 million. See M. Shuster, The Strangling of Persia (New York, 1912).  Similarly, J. Balfour, a British financial advisor, estimated the 1917–20 losses to have been as much as 2 million. He placed the 1920 population at more than 13 million. See J. Balfour, Recent Happenings in Persia (London, 1922), p. 20."

While Abrahamian considers Majd's investigations noteworthy, he also considers them exaggerated, and mentions the next highest estimate of Iran's victims of famine & disease at the time at 2 million (vs >8 million by Majd).

And here's a critique of Majd's book from a source in Iran under the title "The Delusion of an Iranian Holocaust":

//www.aftabir.com/articles/view/art_culture/i...

The article refers to Tavakoli-Targhi's (a U. Toronto professor) criticisms, which include Majd's neglect of Iranian sources and excessive reliance on select American sources.

Based on these discussions, as a non-expert my sense is that Majd's investigations are viewed as providing noteworthy documents regarding the events of that era, but at least some of his quantitative conclusions are not reliable.

MM, since I just noticed your comment @6:26p, the "3rd" Iranica link you mention is also one that I linked to, and is meant as a comprehensive account of famine in Iran's history.  You're right that it makes a passing reference to famines during the 2 WWs, but provides no details and certainly does not refer to any WWI-era one as particularly grand compared to other ones.

Jeesh Daram, as for your latest remark in not finding my comments worthy of response, I can only express satisfaction w/ that, and you can imagine why.

JD - UrW - good luck w/ ur writings - I look forward to it

.

Thanks MM again

MM thanks for your earlier links to famines in Iran. I was quite impressed with the accounts of how the British dressed as missionaries fed the Jews and Armenians in Iran with lavish supply of food while the muslims or say the rest of Iranians were dying of starvation.

Maghshoosh has not offered anything that would worth a hint of comment from me. His approval or disapproval of the issue has no validity because he is only a google jockey and searches for something to deny an issue. I rarely get dissuaded by such comments.

But MM, your efforts and search on the issue of famine in Iran was priceless.

As for Gilani who draws the conclusion that comments here are anti jews I tell him to sober up and stop playing the standard play of the fiddle on behalf of Israel. The issue is not to be anti jews here or zionism, the issue is to not let Iranians belittled by other Iranians who are sold out to Israel's cause be it you, Nadereh or Ahmadinejad.  Gilani should not accuse people of being anti this or anti that unless he gets paid for it and I doubt if he gets paid because I have seen many good comments from him on behalf of Iran in the past.    Ahmadinejad has done more good for Israel than any other man on earth. He made that government look like an inocent child watching a rapist approaching him. No one on earth helped Israel's image improve than Ahamdinejad. All of that while Iran's image is being ruined by Israel and the rest of the world.

MM, I am proud of your research. Thank you

An Iranian should always talk about Iranian genocide (that continues) before ever opens his mouth about Jewish Holocaust.  

maghshoosh - sorry, UR right @ 1st 2 EI articles, but the 3rd..

Encyclopedia Iranica article (FAMINES  in Persia. - Xavier de Planhol) is about all famines in Iran, and with regards to the 20th century famines in Persia, it clearly states that:

"In spite of periods of drought, serious episodes of famine occurred only during the two world wars, for socio-political reasons (Melville, p. 130)." 

We will see what these socio-economic reasons are when we see more on this issue.

Jewish holocaust by Nazis...

As someone mentioned it, and as the ususal crowd of "anti israel/jes/zionists" happen to be here, may I ask a simple question?

What has this holocaust  got to do with Iran? Why is  the "president" of Iran so obsessed with denying it? Why does he form "conferences", inviting such "scholars" as KKK ex leader david duke to Tehran to attend it and hence making our country the subject of ridicule and despise by the world community? Finally are you not ashamed of still supporting such a regime?

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

1917 Famine

I heard about the WWI famine from my parents who used to tell me that how there was nothing for people to eat, and how a baker who had respect for the family would put away a few bread for the family each day. At time they lived in Ahwaz which shows that famine was widespread and not limited to North Tehran. I can't remember them mentioning such severity to kill 40% of the population.

On a different note does anyone know what is the message of this article? Given Ms Afshari's love for Mosadegh (as we have seen from her previous article) I wouldn't be surprised if all she wanted to get across was that Reza Shah (or if I am right Iranian ambassador to France) helped victims of Holocaust and Msadegh retracted recognition of the state of the Israel. Of course she does not explain why Mosadegh did so in yet another confused article.

MM, you're talking about the WRONG FAMINE

MM, you obviously don't realize that the famine you're referring to was not the topic of discussion here that was brought up by Jeesh Daram (JD).  All the links you've provided are to the famine of 1870-1871, which was neither the topic of discussion below, nor disputed by anybody.  JD was talking about the WWI-era famine (1917-1919) that Majd in his book claims caused 8-10 million casualties (40% of Iranian population then), and JD calls this an "Iranian Holocaust" the knowledge of which is being suppressed by the British.  In all the links & discussions I provided below the 19th century famine you're talking about are clearly acknowledged, but that's not what we are talking about.

Even less attentive to detail than you is JD, who in a post right above yours pretends that you've found something relevant to the discussion.  Either he can't tell 1871 from 1917, or he's just ridiculously disingenuous.

Thanks MM

Thanks very much for your research with generous links to the subject matter. Priceless.

Thanks JD

Not only Wiki, the disasterous Iranian famine has been recorded in Encyclopedia Iranica in several of its articles as a current event,

//www.iranica.com/articles/judeo-5-2-qajar-conversion-of-jews, 

//iranica.com/articles/india-viii-relations-qajar-period-the-19th-century

and other sources tell us that the conditions were ripe for outbreaks of cholera as well, //www.iagh.org/Portals/44fa7561-56f7-47e4-a228-477ca071e439/MEJDD/Vol%202,%20No%201/Azizi-2-1-11.pdf

See, others scholarly writings on Iranian famine:

Shoko Okazaki, “The Great Persian Famine of 1870-71,” Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies 49/1, 1986, pp. 183-92.

The Persian famine of 1870 72: prices and politics”, in C. Geissler and D.J. Oddy (eds), Food, diet and economic change past and present, Leicester University Press 1993, pp. 133 50]

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As Ari may have also suggested, please put a blog on the famine of this period for IC readers.  Let's see how much of this famine was due to nature (or NOT) and see what the Brits/Russians did about it!

آدم حساب ستیزی از کجا اومده؟

اونم بندازید گردن قجرها، اصلا همه چی‌ تقصیر مظفرالدین شاه بود...وگرنه جهود جماعت الان جزو بیت رهبری بودن!

Documents in United States' declassified archives

Most of the research done by Mr. Majd has been review and scrutiny of declassified documents of the United States' government. He explains in detail of the obstacles he faced trying to convince even a single publisher to cooperate with him in publication of such materials.  I will refer to these at some later dates. 

I have talked to several friends and of course my own family and they all recall vividly the famine of 1917 and members of their family that died of starvation. Just because a few people have denied such facts it is not to discredit Mr. Majd. Iranica whom I am a supporter is in great shortage of research staff and perhaps have not got access to these declassified documents yet.  

There are references by Kasravi, Dehkhoda, Nafisi and Hedayat of famine and genocide of the Iranians in so many ways. For a nation with 90% illiteracy at that time, you can not expect an immediate recognition of the fact that the British peddlers bought and hoarded Iranian food supplies at any costs in the amrket place and shipped it to Baku which included Iranian fish and Caviar. Iranians were clearly starving and American dimplomats clearly documented all such events in their archives. Most of the humanitarian aids by the US government were confiscated by the British forces and were sent to Baku. 

The denial of such events by some charlatans in the Internet is an insult to the dignity of the Iranian people. Every bookstore you go, you will find a copy of Daijaan Napelon, to convince you that criticizing the British is a tabu, yet we can see how they successfully buried these historical facts and the more revelations we make, the more they will unleash assault and denial of the truth.

Never forget the Iranian genocide in the hands of the British government aided by the Russian government. More will follow.

More on the 1917-1919 famine

A quick search yielded an abstract by Hossein Abadian from the Qazvin International University under "The Great Famine of Tehran, 1917-1918" @

//www.iranheritage.org/sixthbiennial/abstract...

where he says

" During the Qajar period Iran was afflicted with two great famines which
were the most disastrous events of their kind in Iran's history. The first, in
1871, wiped out a third of the population and, according to Sheikh Ebrahim
Zanjani, the people were forced to consume dog and cat meat. The second famine,
in 1917-1918, was concentrated mainly in Tehran where, according to police
statistics, about 186,000 of Tehran's population died.  Once the 1917-18 famine passed, the bread
crisis changed into a political crisis during which terror squads were formed,
crime increased, and governments became unstable and resigned one after the other."

WWI "Iranian Holocaust" and Afshari's article both fanciful

Jeesh Daram's account of the so-called "Iranian Holocaust/famine" during WWI, which is copied from the Persian Wikipedia @

//fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%AD%D8%B7%DB...

is highly questionable, to put it mildly.  As you can see, at the top of the Wikipedia page there is a prominent disclaimer referenced to the discussion page @ 

//fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB:%D...

where it's pointed out that Majd's account of this "great famine" is not taken seriously by recongnized historians and that it is highly unlikely, given the growth of media and written records at the time, that no widespread account of such an even exists.  In fact, Encyclopaedia Iranica makes no mention of such an event circa 1917-1919 in its detailed article on the history of famine in Iran:

//www.iranica.com/articles/famines

WWI would have been the generation period of the parents or grandparents for most of you.  How many of you have heard of close to half of your parents' or grandparents' families having perished due to famine?  Doesn't it seem odd that there is no general consciousness of such a catastrophic event from less than a century ago, when everyone knows of, for example, Mongol genocides of similar proportions of several centuries ago?  The only account of famine I've found in that period refers to one in the north of Iran, where a quarter of the population in that region, may have perished:

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/...

A quarter of the population in the north, horrible as that would be, is very different from 40% of the total population.  In fairness, Majd's account in his book desrves a scholarly and critical examination, but I've found no such review in a cursory search.  Recognized scholars and historians, so far, seem to have ignored his book.

As far as Ms. Afshari's blog, it is an incoherent hodgepodge.  As many have noticed below, equating anti-semitism w/ positions against Israeli gov't is as believable as equating opposition to Saudi Arabian, or the Islamic Republics of Pakistan's and Iran's gov'ts with some mindless extremist anti-Muslim/Arab/Persian/Punjabi prejudice.  Afshari mentions Mossadegh retracting Iranian recognition of the State of Israel, but gives no explanation for it, let alone relating it to anti-semitism.  Even in the long quote from Khomeini, where he refers to Israel as a colonial state and an enemy of Islam which should be abolished, there is no reference to Israel's Jewishness as a basis for such conclusions, no matter how much one may oppose his views.  (Not that Khomeini harboring anti-semitic views is far fetched, but the connection to his statements should be established.) 

Afshari's comments about civilized people supporting Israel unconditionally and mindless extremists opposing it are baseless.  Even the reference to Einstein's support of the Israeli state is taken out of context.  Given the Jewish experience during WWII (and Einstein's own experience in Germany), there was wide-spread support in the West for some kind of a Jewish homeland, but it was nuanced.  For example, Einstein was inclined towards some form of an equitable Jewisn/Arab cooperation possibly in the framework of a bi-national state, and was highly skeptical of a Jewish State.  He also bitterly denounced Jewish extremists such as Menachem Begin (who became Israeli Prime Minister in 77 and won the Nobel Peace Prize in 78) and his gang as criminals, terrorists and fascists (his words), for massacring innocent Arabs during Israel's early years, and demanded their rejection by the American gov't in a public letter along with several other American Jewish intellectuals.  (Can link to these if need be.) However, after the establishment of the State of Israel he considered supporting its continued existence as the appropriate option.  In the present, you can easily find strong public criticisms of Israeli policies by prominent intellectuals or academics in Israel and abroad.  Mindlessly supporting Israeli gov't makes as much sense as mindlessly supporting the Iranian gov't b/c someone is of Shiite background or on the grounds of Iran's ancient and sophisticated culture.

my recap

Here is my recap to Ari and other folks.

Please note my objective was to point out to what "ALAAF" referred
to below as the monopoly "over pain and suffering". He said it so
well. It is precisely this monopoly by Jewish people on earth that have overshadowed
all other ethnicities’ sufferings and their genocides. Japanese, Bosnians,
Armenians, Chechens, blacks and Persians are all nothing but forgotten or
rarely mentioned genocides. What I am trying to advocate is that we as Iranians
should take every opportunity to inform the people of the world of our own
decades of sufferings, holocaust and of being subjected to abuse and betrayal by
powers that we've trusted.

Iranians should learn from their Jewish brothers and sisters that the only
way they can attract the attention of the world to their cause is to show their
innocent, soft and peaceful side of their culture and let the world know that
for at least a century the true knowledge about Iran and Iranians have always been
manipulated by what best suited the objective of plundering forces in Iran -from the
image of an oil rich and lavish nation in 60's and 70's to that of zealot nuclear jihadi of 80’s and
after, who is ready to fight in the name of absent Imam.

So, for an Iranian Muslim, Jewish or Armenian and Baha’i as well as Zoroastrian
the most important genocide to ever talk about is the Iranian genocide and
Iranian Holocaust that continues. Write about it, advertise it and make films about it. We
will win more sympathy from people of the world if we show how we have been
victimized rather than constantly trying to warn our neighbors and other
nations that we are planning to rise again and grab the glories of Cyrus and
Darius. 

Show the fellow man that to be an Iranian means decades of victimization,
mass media abuse, censorship, degrading and cultural mutilation. Remind the
world that we as a nation need protection; our heritage is on the brink of
implosion.

So next time someone picks a pen and writes about Jewish Holocaust, you also
make a comment about Iranian Holocaust, take advantage of the forum for public
awareness. Before an Iranian is to be identified with anything else, he or she
is an Iranian first. We need to learn from the Jews on how to raise the level of awareness about our cause.

In today's Iran there are far more attrocities against the Iranian culture than that of the Jewish culture. The Islamic Republic has not been able to put a dent in the image of the Zionism or Judaism or Israel, yet it has successfully pushed back the image of the Iranian culture. Don't be ashamed to speak up as a victim.

On the subject of the Iranian Holocaust

Well Said Jishou

Thanks for informing us about this bitter period of Iran's history. Zionists (and not Jewish people in general) and Akhonds use the same deception. One goes on about holocaust victims and the other mourns the Ashoura victims. They both victimise others whilst pretending to be siding with the dead and gone victims.

JD

Your brief discussion of the 1917-1919 famine in Iran deserves an in depth article of its own on IC, but not as a rebuttal to the above article which brings up another big disaster for a people brought about by different motives. 

The moral failure of the English (or Israel for that matter) had to do with disregard for human life in pursuit of their own interests--wealth, land, security, etc. But for the Nazis eliminating Germany's (perhaps the world's) Jewish population was an interest in itself, as the article indicates in the next to last paragraph positing that the Nazi massacre of the Jews was driven by a heritage (or "race")  based ideology, not by the more familiar human-caused sources of large scale tragedies--land or resource conflicts.

A stronger rebuttal to this article would involve attempts to convince the reader that the anti-Semitism reflected in the article's quotes by, say, M. Taleghani is not of the same nature as the Nazi mindset about the matter. This is a much harder task, but until such an argument is constructed, the main point of the article remains undisputed, much less disproved.

Sanction

Iranian people are suffering from sanctions imposed to them by the west. We all know that both Israelis as well as AIPAC in this country are the force behind the sanction. NIAC is trying very hard to remove or prevent unnecessary sanctions and we must stand behind it. Iranians around the world must be united to minimize the hardship imposed by the west to our fellow countrymen - enough is enough

A very one sided article.

A very one sided article. The writer needs to separtae Israel from the Jews. Not every Jew supports the crime Israel is commiting in Palestine. Jews, Christians and Moslems have lived together for thousnads of years. Let us not forget that it was the West who killed and hated Jews most. The problem is not a religious one but a political invasion of the East by the West.

Jeesh Daram is Right on the spot

Thank you for this painful part of Iran's history & its tragical effect on IRANIANS. Your suggestion about bring Iranian's Halocast to the attention of the world is remarkable.

Yes yes yes

Quote of the day...

بجای نشستن و سنگ دولت دست نشانده اسرائیل را بسینه زدن، سعی کنید از
هولوکاست ایرانی صحبت کنید.  ایران بالاترین رقم یهودیان در بین کشورهای
اسلامی را دارد و بیش از نود درصدشان بهترین و مفرح ترین زندگی را در ایران
میکنند.  آب به آتش ریختن و تنور نان اسرائیل را دمیدن شایسته هیج ایرانی
واقعی نیست. مسئله یهودیان ایرانی را هرگز با مسائل دولت اسرائیل قاطی
نکنید.  روزی نیست که ایران از طرف یک کشور دنیا تهدید نشود.  دلتان فقط
برای ایرانیان بیگناهی بسوزد که در آن مملکت از فردایشان خبر ندارند،  حالا
هر دینی دارند بجای خود

From JD's comment